Bill Von and $1.99 a gallon gas

[mirage62 0]

Bill several years ago I believe you and I had a simi debate about gas prices and your position was that we would never see gas at $1.99 again. Something about "peak gas"

My point isn't to rub that in. Technology has made a leap and other temporary market forces are in play, but rather to ask your current position on gas and to say that just as the country starts finally to make progress to get away from gas ...... well it's "back"

Personally I think this is good for the short term, bad for the long term.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[stayhigh 2]

well, we live in California and we still pay 3 bucks a gallon.

I haven't seen something $2,XX since god knows how long.

I believe last Chrsitmas time, it was like $2.99

with Gov. Brown proposing for more gas and diesel tax for infrastructure(while wasting 95 billions on bullet train that goes no where), California will never see $1.XX/gal for sure.

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

[jimjumper 25]

The CostCo in Temecula CA was $2.69 on Tuesday.

[stayhigh 2]

shhhhh,, you make it sound cheap and the governor is gonna raise the taxes on gasoline and diesel...

fuck Governor Brown. He should make pot legal recreationally and use that money to fix the roads and build infrastructure.

and fuck the bullet train.

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

[Driver1 0]

Well, BillVon lives in California, which as a state, may never see $1.99 a gallon gas again. Last I heard, it was still over $3 a gallon as far as my friend in the Sacramento area reported.

I just paid $1.91 a gallon last week.

There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"!

[turtlespeed 219]

Driver1

Well, BillVon lives in California, which as a state, may never see $1.99 a gallon gas again. Last I heard, it was still over $3 a gallon as far as my friend in the Sacramento area reported.

I just paid $1.91 a gallon last week.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

That is a site I have not seen in a while. Wooo $1.79 at the Murphy pumps around the corner!

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

I think we as a country are going to continue to take steps to "get away" from it (which is a good thing).

There are a lot of factors at play here. Two that come to mind first are fuel efficiency in big trucks and plastic bottles.

Both are huge consumers of oil, and both have taken big steps in recent (last 10) years. Big trucks have also taken huge steps away from diesel towards CNG (Compressd Natural Gas).
Regardless of the price of oil, those aren't going away.

I would have agreed with Bill on this, not seeing gas below $2/gal in my lifetime. But, here in Wisconsin, it was briefly below that last winter. Bottomed out around $1.95 or so for a week.

Unlike the "cheap gas" era back in the 90s, however, I don't think most consumers expect it to last. So buying huge SUVs, big boats and such, expecting gas to stay cheap, won't happen.

Short term, it gives people more money to spend on other stuff and makes car travel more attractive. Both will help the economy.

Long term, I agree that it could be bad if we forget what $4/gal a gas looks like. And if it stays cheap for long, we tend to forget stuff like that fairly quickly.

But electric cars, CNG trucks and other "non-oil" things will continue to grow. Even when the cost advantage isn't as big, they'll just grow slower.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

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[airdvr 210]

It's a double edged sword here in Ohio. Fracking was re-vitalizing the local economy. Now that the gas prices have dropped the growth has slowed considerably.

On the plus side I'll enjoy feeding my twin 5.7L Mercruisers a bit more these days. Last year at this time non-ethanol 98 octane on Lake Erie was approaching $5 per gallon.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[mirage62 0]

I want to be clear on this....I put the question out to Bill (who must be working) because he normally has pretty good energy idea's (IMO) It wasn't a "ha, ha" thing.

To be far I hadn't considered Bill living in Ca. and I understand that gas would have to be at the $1.55 gallon range for Ca. to see $1.99 (that's a guess)

In the end I hope the country will continue to move away from gas. While I am not a hater of fracking, technology won't always save us. USA needs it own economically viable type of energy. Gas won't always be it.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[Anvilbrother 0]

I wonder how much extra tax is being added by CA to get that price that high. I know regional refining remoteness and transportation will have an effect on your cost, but I have a pretty strong suspicion a lot of that cost is put on Californians by their state(and federal for all of us).

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[billvon 2,989]

>I wonder how much extra tax is being added by CA to get that price that high.

The primary reason the cost is higher is that it's different gas. Lower levels of contaminants (sulfur, benzene) and higher hydrogen content. Those requirements were put in place over the past few decades to reduce smog.

[billvon 2,989]

>Bill several years ago I believe you and I had a simi debate about gas
>prices and your position was that we would never see gas at $1.99 again.

Yep, and in a way I am glad I was wrong. The big fear I had was that we'd hit the peak of oil production and not be able to increase production after a certain point. Once that happens it's too late to decide to switch to alternatives; the economy crashes and there's no money to develop EV's and hybrids. (And alternate fuels, and alternate transportation etc) Tight oil has extended that peak - and any potential energy crash - out by decades.

The current glut will cause some problems for the long term because it delays the transition to more efficient technologies, and the current prices won't last. Most tight oil isn't profitable below about $75 a barrel, so in the mid-term prices have to rise again to allow the extraction of that oil - and that's what prices will likely do as OPEC slowly loses control of oil pricing.

As that happens we will be in a better position than we were in 2008. Hybrids are now available which give you a lot more miles from a gallon of gas, and PHEV's can average hundreds of miles per gallon (with the balance coming from electricity.) This technology has already helped "level off" our gasoline consumption - even with more miles being driven, gasoline usage has stayed pretty constant since 2008. As long as we don't do something stupid like discarding it all in a fit of irrational exuberance over gas prices, we'll be better positioned to absorb the next increase in gas prices.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Ok I figured it was something like that. Thx

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[Driver1 0]

Anvilbrother

That is a site I have not seen in a while. Wooo $1.79 at the Murphy pumps around the corner!

Nice! I see a low of $1.85 at the next exit from where I work. Going there to fill up after work.

There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"!

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

mirage62

I want to be clear on this....I put the question out to Bill (who must be working) because he normally has pretty good energy ideas (IMO) It wasn't a "ha, ha" thing...

That's how I took it. And I think how most people took it.

There are quite a few "Ha Ha! You were wrong!!" people on here. I don't see you as one of them. At least not in this case.

And Billvon has lots of good ideas on lots of things.

And Airdivr mentioned "98 octane". Where do you get that? I've only seen 87 (regular) 89 (mid) and either 91 or 93 as premium. And the only "Ethanol Free" premium I know of is 91. But it may be different where you are.

One of the "funnier" things about premium that I've found (2 of my three cars require it) is how much the price varies. Regular (87) is exactly the same all over town. It might vary a bit as the prices change, but if the price has been the same for more than a day or two, everyone is the same.
Not so with premium. I've seen it vary from $0.30 over regular, up to $0.70 or so.

A couple weeks ago, I found regular @ $2.48. 93 Ethanol @ $3.18, 91 no Ethanol @ $3.08, 91 Ethanol @ $3.13 one place, $2.99 at another, and...

(wait for it)...

93 Ethanol at $2.78 at a different place.

I know where the local stations get their gas. With the exception of the 91 No Ethanol (Kwik Trip, they have their own tank farm and their own trucks), they all come out of the same tank farm (Williams up in Green Bay) and even come out of the same tank truck.

Go figure.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[airdvr 210]

Sorry...89 octane

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[mirage62 0]

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There are quite a few "Ha Ha! You were wrong!!" people on here. I don't see you as one of them. At least not in this case.

Nope, talking energy with Bill is always interesting. As far as others I don't recall my doing the "Ha, Ha" thing.....

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And Billvon has lots of good ideas on lots of things.

Oh GOD it's a Bill Von love fest

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[ryoder 1,590]

wolfriverjoe

With the exception of the 91 No Ethanol (Kwik Trip, they have their own tank farm and their own trucks), they all come out of the same tank farm (Williams up in Green Bay) and even come out of the same tank truck.

I've often wondered about that;
Is it actually the very same gasoline, or are different brands just hiring the same delivery trucks? I think there are physically separate compartments in those tankers, so one tanker could carry multiple deliveries at once.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[turtlespeed 219]

wolfriverjoe

***I want to be clear on this....I put the question out to Bill (who must be working) because he normally has pretty good energy ideas (IMO) It wasn't a "ha, ha" thing...

That's how I took it. And I think how most people took it.

There are quite a few "Ha Ha! You were wrong!!" people on here. I don't see you as one of them. At least not in this case.

And Billvon has lots of good ideas on lots of things.

And Airdivr mentioned "98 octane". Where do you get that? I've only seen 87 (regular) 89 (mid) and either 91 or 93 as premium. And the only "Ethanol Free" premium I know of is 91. But it may be different where you are.

One of the "funnier" things about premium that I've found (2 of my three cars require it) is how much the price varies. Regular (87) is exactly the same all over town. It might vary a bit as the prices change, but if the price has been the same for more than a day or two, everyone is the same.
Not so with premium. I've seen it vary from $0.30 over regular, up to $0.70 or so.

A couple weeks ago, I found regular @ $2.48. 93 Ethanol @ $3.18, 91 no Ethanol @ $3.08, 91 Ethanol @ $3.13 one place, $2.99 at another, and...

(wait for it)...

93 Ethanol at $2.78 at a different place.

I know where the local stations get their gas. With the exception of the 91 No Ethanol (Kwik Trip, they have their own tank farm and their own trucks), they all come out of the same tank farm (Williams up in Green Bay) and even come out of the same tank truck.

Go figure.its all about what additive they include.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

ryoder

***With the exception of the 91 No Ethanol (Kwik Trip, they have their own tank farm and their own trucks), they all come out of the same tank farm (Williams up in Green Bay) and even come out of the same tank truck.

I've often wondered about that;
Is it actually the very same gasoline, or are different brands just hiring the same delivery trucks? I think there are physically separate compartments in those tankers, so one tanker could carry multiple deliveries at once.

Same truck, same gas. As in the truck goes to the BP station, fills it. Goes across the street to the Marathon station, fills it.

There are separate tanks in them (usually 4), but that is for the different grades of gas. I don't pull gasoline tanker, but I've seen them up close.

And Turtle is somewhat right. To a large extent, different grades of gas is more about the additive package than anything else.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Amazon 7]

airdvr

It's a double edged sword here in Ohio. Fracking was re-vitalizing the local economy. Now that the gas prices have dropped the growth has slowed considerably.

On the plus side I'll enjoy feeding my twin 5.7L Mercruisers a bit more these days. Last year at this time non-ethanol 98 octane on Lake Erie was approaching $5 per gallon.

Out here.... many of the fuel docks do not have Ethanol additives to the gas for the boats. Boats tend to REALLY not like Ethanol. Vented Tanks allow moisture into the tank where it can mix with the ethanol and sink to the bottom where the fuel pickup lives and it can really bugger up a fuel filter in a heartbeat. I have a Fuel-water separator and even burring Ethanol free gas... you will still get some moisture in the tanks condensing on the cold metal on the inside of the tank.... and I have a bleed off valve to rid myself of it before it can get to the fuel filter.

[normiss 798]

Stoopid Georgia.
Regular is nicely priced but your diesel is a tad over 40 cents more per gallon than I was paying in Florida.
I wasn't happy to see that.
I hope I won't need DEF while I'm here!
:D

[turtlespeed 219]

normiss

Stoopid Georgia.
Regular is nicely priced but your diesel is a tad over 40 cents more per gallon than I was paying in Florida.
I wasn't happy to see that.
I hope I won't need DEF while I'm here!
:D

DEF = Horse piss, invented in Texas.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[airdvr 210]

Amazon

***It's a double edged sword here in Ohio. Fracking was re-vitalizing the local economy. Now that the gas prices have dropped the growth has slowed considerably.

On the plus side I'll enjoy feeding my twin 5.7L Mercruisers a bit more these days. Last year at this time non-ethanol 98 octane on Lake Erie was approaching $5 per gallon.

Out here.... many of the fuel docks do not have Ethanol additives to the gas for the boats. Boats tend to REALLY not like Ethanol. Vented Tanks allow moisture into the tank where it can mix with the ethanol and sink to the bottom where the fuel pickup lives and it can really bugger up a fuel filter in a heartbeat. I have a Fuel-water separator and even burring Ethanol free gas... you will still get some moisture in the tanks condensing on the cold metal on the inside of the tank.... and I have a bleed off valve to rid myself of it before it can get to the fuel filter.

Aren't boats fun? I just spent most of this season chasing down a problem that turned out to be a clogged vent line. Since we only boat from May til October I've never experienced any fuel seperation problems or moisture problems but I've heard stories. Good friend has a 1968 Pacemaker. His tank is peeling from the inside. Have to cut the deck and the transom to get it out.

Please don't dent the planet.

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