Amazon 7 #26 September 18, 2015 airdvr******It's a double edged sword here in Ohio. Fracking was re-vitalizing the local economy. Now that the gas prices have dropped the growth has slowed considerably. On the plus side I'll enjoy feeding my twin 5.7L Mercruisers a bit more these days. Last year at this time non-ethanol 98 octane on Lake Erie was approaching $5 per gallon. Out here.... many of the fuel docks do not have Ethanol additives to the gas for the boats. Boats tend to REALLY not like Ethanol. Vented Tanks allow moisture into the tank where it can mix with the ethanol and sink to the bottom where the fuel pickup lives and it can really bugger up a fuel filter in a heartbeat. I have a Fuel-water separator and even burring Ethanol free gas... you will still get some moisture in the tanks condensing on the cold metal on the inside of the tank.... and I have a bleed off valve to rid myself of it before it can get to the fuel filter. Aren't boats fun? I just spent most of this season chasing down a problem that turned out to be a clogged vent line. Since we only boat from May til October I've never experienced any fuel seperation problems or moisture problems but I've heard stories. Good friend has a 1968 Pacemaker. His tank is peeling from the inside. Have to cut the deck and the transom to get it out. Tell him to replace all his fuel lines too.... alcohol is a solvent and older boats do not have fuel lines that can handle that. I have seen the old rubber lines that start to turn to a flowing gummy substance on the inside and block up the old systems with a goo that has to be seen to be believed. I was thinking it was akin to Steve McQueens The Blob in consistency just darker in color from what it was eating. Also.. all the rubber seals in the carb can go and you get drippies in the engine compartment which turns to gasoline fumes. I do not if you have ever seen a boat blow up when the idiot did not start the blowers before cranking it over but having gas fumes in your bilge can give you far more excitement that you could ever want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #27 September 18, 2015 boat engines have a hard time with moisture is that irony? or wryness? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 September 18, 2015 rehmwaboat engines have a hard time with moisture is that irony? or wryness? They are different from cars... and those who mess about in them are best served to remember that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #29 September 18, 2015 ryoder***With the exception of the 91 No Ethanol (Kwik Trip, they have their own tank farm and their own trucks), they all come out of the same tank farm (Williams up in Green Bay) and even come out of the same tank truck. I've often wondered about that; Is it actually the very same gasoline, or are different brands just hiring the same delivery trucks? I think there are physically separate compartments in those tankers, so one tanker could carry multiple deliveries at once. Yes. I have seen tanker trucks with up to three hoses at a gas station filling up the underground tanks one at a time.There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #30 September 18, 2015 Amazon***boat engines have a hard time with moisture is that irony? or wryness? They are different from cars... and those who mess about in them are best served to remember that The Simpson's - The Garbage Man Homer: "John Paul, how are the new uniforms? Do they match the suede boots? Beautiful. Did you get the new trucks? Are they amphibious? Well, there's only one way to find out: We can always buy more." ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #31 September 18, 2015 Amazon***boat engines have a hard time with moisture is that irony? or wryness? They are different from cars... and those who mess about in them are best served to remember that Well 2 stroke outboards are defiantly different than cars for sure, but inboards engines are exactly like cars. Mercury mercruiser engine blocks are even made by GM, and used to be by ford but they kept changing too much for mercurys liking. Cars and land outdoor equipment don't like ethanol either but cars get driven enough and fresh fuel added that it isn't much of an issue. The same thing will happen to power equipment that happens to boats if it is not used. All power equipment at our department get a fuel stabilizer and treatment for all sorts of things, and is run for 15 minutes every 4 days to keep the fuel moving. Anything that is designed for long term storage HAS to be non ethanol fuel from the special gas station down at the depot. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #32 September 18, 2015 Anvilbrother******boat engines have a hard time with moisture is that irony? or wryness? They are different from cars... and those who mess about in them are best served to remember that Well 2 stroke outboards are defiantly different than cars for sure, but inboards engines are exactly like cars. Mercury mercruiser engine blocks are even made by GM, and used to be by ford but they kept changing too much for mercurys liking. Cars and land outdoor equipment don't like ethanol either but cars get driven enough and fresh fuel added that it isn't much of an issue. The same thing will happen to power equipment that happens to boats if it is not used. All power equipment at our department get a fuel stabilizer and treatment for all sorts of things, and is run for 15 minutes every 4 days to keep the fuel moving. Anything that is designed for long term storage HAS to be non ethanol fuel from the special gas station down at the depot. One very significant difference is the cooling system. Cars have sealed systems loaded with corrosion inhibitors. Boat engines don't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #33 September 18, 2015 Yep and you have to flush it after you run especially in salt water. But we are talking about fuel systems mostly. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #34 September 18, 2015 Hence the use of sacrificial nodes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #35 September 18, 2015 Yea but that is going to happen in fresh or salt water, the sacrificial zinc gets eaten up here in freshwater land slower than boats on the coast tho. It eats the shit out of boat trailers too. Dunking the entire unit in a saltwater bath kills them even if it's galvanized it finds that little spot with missing plating and it's over. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #36 September 18, 2015 Anvilbrother Yea but that is going to happen in fresh or salt water, the sacrificial zinc gets eaten up here in freshwater land slower than boats on the coast tho. It eats the shit out of boat trailers too. Dunking the entire unit in a saltwater bath kills them even if it's galvanized it finds that little spot with missing plating and it's over. I have a lake on the way home from the salt water ramps I like to use for Puget Sound and down at the mouth of the Columbia... that has a nice very lightly used boat ramp.. I back the 27' Chris down it into the lake water... dig out the ladder crawl aboard and fire up the motor and let it run for a wee bit. I also kick it into gear and get some swirling water around my galvanized 3 axle King "The Salt Water Trailer". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #37 September 18, 2015 Yep we also used to run by the car wash on the way home and hit it with the pressure washer while all the gunk was still soft and easily rinsed off. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #38 September 19, 2015 normissHence the use of sacrificial nodes. ANodes. Nodes are different.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #39 September 19, 2015 Damn this spellchecker on Samsung. I cannot tell you how many times I fight cuss and argue with this thing. I didn't type THAT! I also cannot correct the checker to check. WTD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #40 September 19, 2015 normiss Damn this spellchecker on Samsung. I cannot tell you how many times I fight cuss and argue with this thing. I didn't type THAT! I don't think you'll get much sympathy from Kallend: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4688706;search_string=auto%20correct;#4688706Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 219 #41 September 19, 2015 Coreeece ***Damn this spellchecker on Samsung. I cannot tell you how many times I fight cuss and argue with this thing. I didn't type THAT! I don't think you'll get much sympathy from Kallend: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4688706;search_string=auto%20correct;#4688706 That depends on who he is communicating with.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #42 September 19, 2015 turtlespeed ******Damn this spellchecker on Samsung. I cannot tell you how many times I fight cuss and argue with this thing. I didn't type THAT! I don't think you'll get much sympathy from Kallend: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4688706;search_string=auto%20correct;#4688706 That depends on who he is communicating with. A preposition is a bad word to end a sentence with. William Safire.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #43 September 19, 2015 kallend *********Damn this spellchecker on Samsung. I cannot tell you how many times I fight cuss and argue with this thing. I didn't type THAT! I don't think you'll get much sympathy from Kallend: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4688706;search_string=auto%20correct;#4688706 That depends on who he is communicating with. A preposition is a bad word to end a sentence with. William Safire. This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put. - ChurchillNever was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #44 September 19, 2015 Coreeece ************Damn this spellchecker on Samsung. I cannot tell you how many times I fight cuss and argue with this thing. I didn't type THAT! I don't think you'll get much sympathy from Kallend: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4688706;search_string=auto%20correct;#4688706 That depends on who he is communicating with. A preposition is a bad word to end a sentence with. William Safire. This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put. - Churchill Churchill won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1953. I have read his works - have you? I don't recall seeing any grammatical or spelling errors in them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #45 September 19, 2015 kallend ***************Damn this spellchecker on Samsung. I cannot tell you how many times I fight cuss and argue with this thing. I didn't type THAT! I don't think you'll get much sympathy from Kallend: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4688706;search_string=auto%20correct;#4688706 That depends on who he is communicating with. A preposition is a bad word to end a sentence with. William Safire. This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put. - Churchill Churchill won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1953. I have read his works - have you? I don't recall seeing any grammatical or spelling errors in them. Ok Buzz Killington, I was just trying to have some fun...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #46 September 19, 2015 Coreeece ******************Damn this spellchecker on Samsung. I cannot tell you how many times I fight cuss and argue with this thing. I didn't type THAT! I don't think you'll get much sympathy from Kallend: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4688706;search_string=auto%20correct;#4688706 That depends on who he is communicating with. A preposition is a bad word to end a sentence with. William Safire. This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put. - Churchill Churchill won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1953. I have read his works - have you? I don't recall seeing any grammatical or spelling errors in them. Ok Buzz Killington, I was just trying to have some fun... Well, just for fun, it should have been "whom", not "who".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #47 September 21, 2015 >A preposition is a bad word to end a sentence with. William Safire. "What's that man from down under up to?" - response by Ken C after hearing Leo tell him he should never end a sentence in a preposition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #48 September 21, 2015 billvon>A preposition is a bad word to end a sentence with. William Safire. "What's that man from down under up to?" - response by Ken C after hearing Leo tell him he should never end a sentence in a preposition. Well, in all fairness, he didn't end the sentence with "A" preposition, did he?"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #49 September 21, 2015 Talk about thread drift...... $1.96 here....Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #50 September 21, 2015 normiss Damn this spellchecker on Samsung. I cannot tell you how many times I fight cuss and argue with this thing. I didn't type THAT! I also cannot correct the checker to check. WTD. [Chris Rock voice] "turn that shit off!" [\Chris Rock voice] There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
