ibx 2 #251 October 1, 2015 QuoteMajor cities are experiencing double digit increases in violent crime, St. Louis, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Chicago, and on....... So the police has decided to stop doing their jobs without any recourse and you're blaming people who think that a democratic country shouldn't have militarized police force armed with tanks. In a country that has more prisoners than any other country on earth non the less. You can't understand why the population may object? Quote Whether you like it or not, proactive policing reduces crime, hence the drops you noted. It's now up to the cities involved to determine what kind of proactive policing they want and need. According to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proactive_policing proactive policing is large part commutation with the community. Do you think that maybe the community does want to communicate with a force who is constantly threatening their lives and freedom with an over abundance of violence and force? (Military tactics) Destroying families because of minor bullshit like soft drug abuse. The community does not see you(the police) as part of it anymore, but as an external threatening entity and your answer to this is more aggression, or total bullshit like NOT DOING YOUR FUCKING JOB anymore. Quote No, I live in the real world, where someone has actually tried to kill me. I'm sure you never practice your emergency procedures, because your gear will never malfunction, and you'll never have to deal with it. It may only happen once, oh wait, it only takes once........... You see the difference between me practicing my EP's and you being vigilant is that if I don't practice my EP's it's my life on the line. If you fuck up, you destroy the people you are sworn to protect. My very honest opinion of police officers: You knew what you signed up for, you have immense power. (see the wiki article) I also think you should rather be willing to die than kill an innocent person. If you do not agree with this, you have the wrong job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #252 October 1, 2015 ibxQuoteMajor cities are experiencing double digit increases in violent crime, St. Louis, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Chicago, and on....... So the police has decided to stop doing their jobs without any recourse and you're blaming people who think that a democratic country shouldn't have militarized police force armed with tanks. In a country that has more prisoners than any other country on earth non the less. You can't understand why the population may object? Stupid childish STOMPING OUT OF THE ROOM reaction to being asked to actually do their jobs in a professional manner and not be jack booted BULLIES. I'M TAKING MY GUN AND GOING HOME STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMp STOmp STomp Stomp stomp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,357 #253 October 1, 2015 Hi Jeanne, QuoteGo drive an ice cream truck with little bells and music. Easy, girl; I did that for a while. Not a bad job for a teenager. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #254 October 1, 2015 ibxQuoteMajor cities are experiencing double digit increases in violent crime, St. Louis, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Chicago, and on....... So the police has decided to stop doing their jobs without any recourse and you're blaming people who think that a democratic country shouldn't have militarized police force armed with tanks. In a country that has more prisoners than any other country on earth non the less. You can't understand why the population may object? Quote Whether you like it or not, proactive policing reduces crime, hence the drops you noted. It's now up to the cities involved to determine what kind of proactive policing they want and need. According to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proactive_policing proactive policing is large part commutation with the community. Do you think that maybe the community does want to communicate with a force who is constantly threatening their lives and freedom with an over abundance of violence and force? (Military tactics) Destroying families because of minor bullshit like soft drug abuse. The community does not see you(the police) as part of it anymore, but as an external threatening entity and your answer to this is more aggression, or total bullshit like NOT DOING YOUR FUCKING JOB anymore. Quote No, I live in the real world, where someone has actually tried to kill me. I'm sure you never practice your emergency procedures, because your gear will never malfunction, and you'll never have to deal with it. It may only happen once, oh wait, it only takes once........... You see the difference between me practicing my EP's and you being vigilant is that if I don't practice my EP's it's my life on the line. If you fuck up, you destroy the people you are sworn to protect. My very honest opinion of police officers: You knew what you signed up for, you have immense power. (see the wiki article) I also think you should rather be willing to die than kill an innocent person. If you do not agree with this, you have the wrong job. Who has tanks? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #255 October 1, 2015 QuoteThis is a statement, along with its variations, that comes up fairly frequently in these arguments. "Police have it hard and they just want to go home at the end of the day." There's something in process now that may reduce the odds of that. In cities like Chicago, it is now common to run from cops, because they have a growing tendency to kill people for no apparent reason. Someday soon, the father of one of the kids being shot at as they run away may take his shotgun and blow the head off one of those police who "just want to go home at the end of the day." And when it goes to trial, the question that the defense attorney will ask the jury is "did the father reasonably believe that the cop was trying to kill his son for no reason? And is it reasonable for a father to use deadly force to protect the life of his children?" And if things continue the way they have been going, a jury one day is going to decide "yes, that's reasonable. A reasonable person can conclude that killing the cop was necessary to save the life of their son." And on that day, the odds of a cop being able to go home to their families at the end of the day is going to go down - a lot. And that would be unfortunate, because most cops are good people, and don't deserve to carry the burden that the bad cops are putting on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #256 October 1, 2015 QuoteMajor cities are experiencing double digit increases in violent crime, St. Louis, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Chicago, and on....... http://www.nytimes.com/...-us-cities.html?_r=0 Of the numbers you quoted, many were 2013 and before. These spikes have just started (by statistical standards), and will continue until communities say enough. Whether you like it or not, proactive policing reduces crime, hence the drops you noted. It's now up to the cities involved to determine what kind of proactive policing they want and need. I thought gun ownership reduced crime. There are many more legal guns in circulation, so shouldn't crime rates be going down significantly? Secondly, Your argument seems to basically be that cops have stopped doing their jobs and it is the fault of the public that they are not doing their jobs? I doubt you would let a thief off the hook if he said he only did it because society has not allowed him to flourish. QuoteNo, I live in the real world, where someone has actually tried to kill me. Me too, every time I get on a motorcycle or a bicycle. Interestingly enough, I haven't started pre-emptivly shooting them, because I too would like to go home after my ride. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #257 October 1, 2015 What a stretch of the imagination you have. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #258 October 1, 2015 >What a stretch of the imagination you have. You think so? =========== Cory Jermaine Maye . . . was originally convicted of murder in the 2001 death of a Prentiss, Mississippi police officer named, Ron W. Jones, during a drug raid on the other half of Maye's duplex. . . . .In December 2, 2010, the Mississippi Supreme Court issued its decision, in which it held that Maye was entitled to a new trial on the ground that the trial court had improperly refused to issue a self-defense instruction that would have highlighted for the jury Maye's right to act in defense of his infant daughter, who was present in the home on the night of the police raid that led to the shooting. =========== Sounds like the courts have the same sort of imagination. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #259 October 1, 2015 SkyDekker I thought gun ownership reduced crime. "More guns less crime" was the name of a book by a disgraced former "researcher" John Lott, who was proven to have fabricated his data, and who wrote glowing, supposedly independent, reviews of his own work under the name "Mary Rosh".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #260 October 1, 2015 My comment wasn't about the situation happening or not it's your impression that it is about to become the common thing to shoot a cop and claim defense for your life. That part was absurd. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #261 October 1, 2015 Gun free zones saves lives then. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #262 October 1, 2015 AnvilbrotherGun free zones saves lives then. Considering that the US rate of shooting homicides is far higher than that of any first-world nation with sensible policies on gun ownership, and is only exceeded by third world shitholes, that would be a fair conclusion. However, given the way in which the gun lobby has ensured that guns are easily available to felons and psychos, the concept of a "gun free zone" in the USA is a rather silly one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #263 October 1, 2015 Well you got there and ended up at a reasonable stance on them, but it was a fucked up way to do it. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #264 October 1, 2015 AnvilbrotherWell you got there and ended up at a reasonable stance on them, but it was a fucked up way to do it. What is fucked up is the gun lobby's perennial denial that the US rate of shooting homicides is far higher than that of any first-world nation with sensible policies on gun ownership, and is only matched or exceeded by third world shitholes. Nice company to keep.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #265 October 1, 2015 Yes keep ignoring the history of guns in each country and try to keep equating them. American historical gun use and ownership cannot be compared to any other country equally. No other country has had open and free ownership of hundreds of millions of guns unchecked for as long of a history as we have had. I will give you the arguement this has led to the problem we have. I will not allow you to say look they are doing it fine why can't we. It's because the situation is totally different. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,190 #266 October 2, 2015 Coreeece***It's called accountability. All of a sudden everyone has a camera. Get used to it. You should be glad that this will help weed out the bad apples. You will no longer be able to depend on your brother to lie for you if you screw up. I like you gowlerk, but I'd like you even more if you could use that heavily edited paragraph using the following: Abortion Baby kicking legs brain 500k salary begging for money on twitter for being under attack Claire Underwood Planned Parenthood Medicaid...really? You get reimbursed by medicaid for services performed...oh, ok...guess you're not really that important after all, eh? I thought this thread was about police/community relations?Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #267 October 2, 2015 Anvilbrother I will not allow you to say look they are doing it fine why can't we. It's because the situation is totally different. So what are you going to do if I say it? Shoot me? Other first world countries can manage their firearms. The countries with gun violence problems are 3rd world shitholes and the USA. The ONLY reason the USA can't is on account of people like you who wail "nothing can be done".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibx 2 #268 October 2, 2015 QuoteWho has tanks? Lots of cops: Technically they are APC's... http://downtrend.com/donn-marten/georgia-swat-video-perfect-example-thug-police-mentality http://images2.phoenixnewtimes.com/imager/u/original/6662594/arpaio_tank_top.jpg http://tftppull.freethoughtllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/lawmakers-propose-anti-militarization-bill.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #269 October 2, 2015 QuoteI will give you the arguement this has led to the problem we have. I will not allow you to say look they are doing it fine why can't we. It's because the situation is totally different. hang on, so you think that widespread gun ownership is a problem but that doing something about it can't be a solution?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #270 October 2, 2015 ibxQuoteWho has tanks? Lots of cops: Technically they are APC's... http://downtrend.com/donn-marten/georgia-swat-video-perfect-example-thug-police-mentality http://images2.phoenixnewtimes.com/imager/u/original/6662594/arpaio_tank_top.jpg http://tftppull.freethoughtllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/lawmakers-propose-anti-militarization-bill.jpg Right so you were wrong got it. Thanks for admitting it. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #271 October 2, 2015 Cops don't need armored vehicles. Nope, no way............. IED's you say? Nope, no way. Oh wait, The guy who did this had several long guns, shot a paramedic/cop, and had...........wait for it..........IED's. But I know actual proof, of actual uses of the these vehicles confuses many here. Not to mention an MRAP in our area took numerous rounds, and helped end a dangerous and potentially deadly stand-off, had it not been for the MRAP. It's really interesting since that happened, the MRAP has stayed in the garage and has not hurt anyone. Although that would be difficult to do, because it's just an armored capsule, sitting on a truck frame. It's much easier to listen to talking heads on the 24 hour news cycle opine about these (unarmed) and evil things..... But according to you, I'm supposed to just get shot, for the sake of getting shot. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibx 2 #272 October 5, 2015 QuoteCops don't need armored vehicles. Nope, no way............. IED's you say? Nope, no way. No, they fucking don't. There is a method called deescalation practiced very successfully by Germany law enforcement. We also have IED laying criminals. We cope without bloody military weapons. Deescalation means that you sometimes have to step down for while, but as long as you have to have the biggest dick nothing will change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #273 October 5, 2015 Much to the disdain of the blue line folks, police change and criminal justice changes ARE coming. It's been long overdue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #274 October 5, 2015 All this police talk has me fired up about rejoining. Wednesday I go to the weekly meeting to talk to them about getting back in the police department as a reserve. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #275 October 5, 2015 QuoteNo, they fucking don't. There is a method called deescalation practiced very successfully by Germany law enforcement. We also have IED laying criminals. Really............... I've met a few Polizei over the years, good guys, they said the same thing almost every European officer said when they found out I was an American LEO. They said it was crazy and they'd never do it. Mainly because our society is so heavily armed and the criminals have so many rights. I'm pretty confident in saying if someone was shooting at them in a prolonged stand-off, they'd shoot back. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
