kallend 2,027 #526 October 4, 2015 jbscout2002***And another one of your untruths: in post #323 you claimed the Illinois CCW process took nearly 2 years. QuoteSo after the CCW was enacted, it was almost 2 years before the first citizens there began to obtain them The CCW law was enacted July 9, 2013. That is a matter of public record that you can easily check. The first permit was issued at the end of February 2014, which is less than 8 months later. Source: www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/illinois-officials-send-out-state-s-first-concealed-carry-gun/article_44579164-2693-534a-a66d-04e1cda57089.html So according to you, 8 months is "nearly 2 years". Fact is, you have been caught making a bunch of untrue statements, and plagiarizing another's work. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-03-01/news/ct-concealed-carry-licenses-met-0301-20140301_1_licenses-applications-guns Here is another article stating as of 1 March 14, first CCW permits EXPECTED to go out in mail next week. When did it finally happen? According to NRA forums the stalled a few times and played games before the first resident actually received a permit in the mail. So even if I was off when quoting the time, I was still closer to the real number than your completely fabricated BS. As I had said. I have been misinformed on some things, but when corrected, I accept it. And I haven't plagiarized anything. I copy/pasted an article that started with, "according to the whoever from where ever on whatever...." I did not try to portray myself as some kind of scholar on the basis of someone else's work. You have just simply and blatantly lied on your facts, and you are just grasping for straws trying to discredit me. I'll make it easy. Read what I say, don't read, argue it, it is either my opinion or a copy/pasted article to support my side of the debate. Should I even bother to keep debunking the remainder of your little "look at me" list? Not really worth the effort on an iPad, it is either made up, PLAGIARIZED, or sourced from a quack tabloid. *** I have also not seen one post from you where you offer a single number or statistic with any hint of a reference. But now you are admitting that you had seen whole bunch of them. You just didn't like the contents. You can't even keep your story straight.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #527 October 4, 2015 jbscout2002 When did it finally happen? According to NRA forums the stalled a few times and played games before the first resident actually received a permit in the mail. NRA Forums. Well, there's a more reliable source than the Illinois State Police. NOT.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #528 October 4, 2015 Yes yes, very good. Now go back to your coloring books. Grown ups are talking here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #529 October 4, 2015 jbscout2002 312, I simply was misinformed on the age. blah blah blah "Misinformed", "forgot the link"... I guess you were one of the kids whose dog was always eating the homework.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #530 October 5, 2015 kallend*** 312, I simply was misinformed on the age. blah blah blah "Misinformed", "forgot the link"... I guess you were one of the kids whose dog was always eating the homework. Yes and with the credibility you have established for yourself, it's kind of like you shot yourself in the foot a long time ago. There needs to be a theoretical academic gun control, to keep that from happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #531 October 5, 2015 kallendYou need to do your homework Now you're plagiarizing my second grade teacher...Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #532 October 5, 2015 I stand before the American people today and emplor you to support tougher common sense laws that will prevent people from shooting their mouths off in forums with no actuall imput. It is senseless and tragic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #533 October 5, 2015 It saddens me that this has become the norm in this country. That every few months, some person with mental health issues, who should not be trying to "throw rocks from his glass house" verbally shoots himself in the foot. We are the only developed nation where this continues to be a problem. Everywhere you look, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and so forth, where people rights to shoot their mouths off have been properly restrained, this doesn't seem to be a problem. It is time for America to step up to the plate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #534 October 5, 2015 You wanted some data from the FBI.. OK, from the FBI UCR: www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/6tabledatadecpdf/table-6 Murders, population, and murder rate per 100,000 population: Chicago: 414 2,720,554 15.3 per 100,000 LA 251 3,878,725 6.5 per 100,000 Jackson MS 50 176,039 28.4 per 100,000 Kansas City MO 99 465514 21.3 per 100,000 Memphis TN 124 652,691 19.0 per 100,000 Detroit 316 699,889 45.2 per 100,000 Baltimore 233 622,671 37.4 per 100,000 So, you see, even according to the FBI there are a bunch of cities with higher murder rates than LA or Chicago.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #535 October 5, 2015 Bolas***You need to do your homework Now you're plagiarizing my second grade teacher... To quote your own tagline, "Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting". You'll be OK, just give it time.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #536 October 5, 2015 jbscout2002****** 312, I simply was misinformed on the age. blah blah blah "Misinformed", "forgot the link"... I guess you were one of the kids whose dog was always eating the homework. Yes and with the credibility you have established for yourself, it's kind of like you shot yourself in the foot a long time ago. There needs to be a theoretical academic gun control, to keep that from happening. Credibilty? It was YOU that wrote you hadn't seen a post from me with data and a reference, and a few posts later you quoted your own responses to some of them. If there's anyone here who's credibility is shot, it's the guy who plagiarized an article, denied that he'd plagiarized it, and then finally admitted it when proof was presented with the lame excuse "forgot the link". The same guy who said he hadn't seen one post with references to data, and a few posts later referred to his own responses to such posts. The same guy who had to be corrected over the age of the gunman. The same guy who had to be corrected over the time it took to get CCW permits in Illinois and claimed that 8 months was "almost 2 years".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #537 October 5, 2015 jbscout2002I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another. Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone. OK, what exactly have I made up? Please provide the post numbers or links to posts where I have made something up, along with proof that it's made up.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #538 October 5, 2015 kallendYou wanted some data from the FBI.. OK, from the FBI UCR: www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/6tabledatadecpdf/table-6 Murders, population, and murder rate per 100,000 population: Chicago: 414 2,720,554 15.3 per 100,000 LA 251 3,878,725 6.5 per 100,000 Jackson MS 50 176,039 28.4 per 100,000 Kansas City MO 99 465514 21.3 per 100,000 Memphis TN 124 652,691 19.0 per 100,000 Detroit 316 699,889 45.2 per 100,000 Baltimore 233 622,671 37.4 per 100,000 So, you see, even according to the FBI there are a bunch of cities with higher murder rates than LA or Chicago. This is two years old. Next..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #539 October 5, 2015 kallend********* 312, I simply was misinformed on the age. blah blah blah "Misinformed", "forgot the link"... I guess you were one of the kids whose dog was always eating the homework. Yes and with the credibility you have established for yourself, it's kind of like you shot yourself in the foot a long time ago. There needs to be a theoretical academic gun control, to keep that from happening. Credibilty? It was YOU that wrote you hadn't seen a post from me with data and a reference, and a few posts later you quoted your own responses to some of them. If there's anyone here who's credibility is shot, it's the guy who plagiarized an article, denied that he'd plagiarized it, and then finally admitted it when proof was presented with the lame excuse "forgot the link". The same guy who said he hadn't seen one post with references to data, and a few posts later referred to his own responses to such posts. The same guy who had to be corrected over the age of the gunman. The same guy who had to be corrected over the time it took to get CCW permits in Illinois and claimed that 8 months was "almost 2 years". Shooting yourself in the foot with a fully automatic now. Do you have a Class III weapons license? If not you are in violation of the NFA. That law must be toothless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #540 October 5, 2015 jbscout2002***You wanted some data from the FBI.. OK, from the FBI UCR: www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/6tabledatadecpdf/table-6 Murders, population, and murder rate per 100,000 population: Chicago: 414 2,720,554 15.3 per 100,000 LA 251 3,878,725 6.5 per 100,000 Jackson MS 50 176,039 28.4 per 100,000 Kansas City MO 99 465514 21.3 per 100,000 Memphis TN 124 652,691 19.0 per 100,000 Detroit 316 699,889 45.2 per 100,000 Baltimore 233 622,671 37.4 per 100,000 So, you see, even according to the FBI there are a bunch of cities with higher murder rates than LA or Chicago. This is two years old. Next..... The FBI hasn't released the 2015 data yet. Of course, you KNOW that. So how about YOU provide the 2014 data that refutes mine?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #541 October 5, 2015 kallend***I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another. Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone. OK, what exactly have I made up? Please provide the post numbers or links to posts where I have made something up, along with proof that it's made up. They say it takes a bigger man to admit to his mistakes and move on. I guess it takes a liberal hippie teacher to get mad when he is caught in a lie and try to change the truth to what he said rather than making the correct statement. When your wrong, just yell at the other guy and tell him it's his fault. Sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #542 October 5, 2015 jbscout2002******I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another. Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone. OK, what exactly have I made up? Please provide the post numbers or links to posts where I have made something up, along with proof that it's made up. They say it takes a bigger man to admit to his mistakes and move on. I guess it takes a liberal hippie teacher to get mad when he is caught in a lie and try to change the truth to what he said rather than making the correct statement. When your wrong, just yell at the other guy and tell him it's his fault. Sad. Translation - you don't have anything and are just weaseling.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #543 October 5, 2015 You are new here and you already caught on to his posting methods lmao!!!! Bravo sir! Nailed it! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #544 October 5, 2015 kallend ******You wanted some data from the FBI.. OK, from the FBI UCR: www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/6tabledatadecpdf/table-6 Murders, population, and murder rate per 100,000 population: Chicago: 414 2,720,554 15.3 per 100,000 LA 251 3,878,725 6.5 per 100,000 Jackson MS 50 176,039 28.4 per 100,000 Kansas City MO 99 465514 21.3 per 100,000 Memphis TN 124 652,691 19.0 per 100,000 Detroit 316 699,889 45.2 per 100,000 Baltimore 233 622,671 37.4 per 100,000 So, you see, even according to the FBI there are a bunch of cities with higher murder rates than LA or Chicago. This is two years old. Next..... The FBI hasn't released the 2015 data yet. Of course, you KNOW that. So how about YOU provide the 2014 data that refutes mine? Post number 534 you offer up something almost useful and then I'm supposed to submit a formal response in rebuttal? Are you even for real? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #545 October 5, 2015 kallend*********I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another. Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone. OK, what exactly have I made up? Please provide the post numbers or links to posts where I have made something up, along with proof that it's made up. They say it takes a bigger man to admit to his mistakes and move on. I guess it takes a liberal hippie teacher to get mad when he is caught in a lie and try to change the truth to what he said rather than making the correct statement. When your wrong, just yell at the other guy and tell him it's his fault. Sad. Translation - you don't have anything and are just weaseling. This is hilarious. You have done nothing but weasled through 22 pages of postings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #546 October 5, 2015 This guy is a comedic gold mine. Talk about writing itself. I can take a print out of this on the road and fund all my jumps with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #547 October 5, 2015 jbscout2002***You wanted some data from the FBI.. OK, from the FBI UCR: www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/6tabledatadecpdf/table-6 Murders, population, and murder rate per 100,000 population: Chicago: 414 2,720,554 15.3 per 100,000 LA 251 3,878,725 6.5 per 100,000 Jackson MS 50 176,039 28.4 per 100,000 Kansas City MO 99 465514 21.3 per 100,000 Memphis TN 124 652,691 19.0 per 100,000 Detroit 316 699,889 45.2 per 100,000 Baltimore 233 622,671 37.4 per 100,000 So, you see, even according to the FBI there are a bunch of cities with higher murder rates than LA or Chicago. This is two years old. Next..... Here you go. 2014 data - the LATEST for which data are available. Murders per 100,000 population from the FBI www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-6 Chicago 15.1 LA 5.4 Kansas City 16.7 Miami 19.1 Detroit 43.5 Baltimore 33.8 Jackson MS 35.4 Memphis TN 21.4 How does that crow taste?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #548 October 5, 2015 jbscout2002This guy is a comedic gold mine. Talk about writing itself. I can take a print out of this on the road and fund all my jumps with it. You do realize that you are commenting on your own post. That is the biggest comedy here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #549 October 5, 2015 jbscout2002************I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another. Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone. OK, what exactly have I made up? Please provide the post numbers or links to posts where I have made something up, along with proof that it's made up. They say it takes a bigger man to admit to his mistakes and move on. I guess it takes a liberal hippie teacher to get mad when he is caught in a lie and try to change the truth to what he said rather than making the correct statement. When your wrong, just yell at the other guy and tell him it's his fault. Sad. Translation - you don't have anything and are just weaseling. This is hilarious. You have done nothing but weasled through 22 pages of postings. Translation - you can't find any instance where I have posted incorrect or fabricated data without a source, so you continue to prevaricate.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbscout2002 1 #550 October 5, 2015 kallend******You wanted some data from the FBI.. OK, from the FBI UCR: www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/6tabledatadecpdf/table-6 Murders, population, and murder rate per 100,000 population: Chicago: 414 2,720,554 15.3 per 100,000 LA 251 3,878,725 6.5 per 100,000 Jackson MS 50 176,039 28.4 per 100,000 Kansas City MO 99 465514 21.3 per 100,000 Memphis TN 124 652,691 19.0 per 100,000 Detroit 316 699,889 45.2 per 100,000 Baltimore 233 622,671 37.4 per 100,000 So, you see, even according to the FBI there are a bunch of cities with higher murder rates than LA or Chicago. This is two years old. Next..... Here you go. 2014 data - the LATEST for which data are available. Murders per 100,000 population from the FBI www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-6 Chicago 15.1 LA 5.4 Kansas City 16.7 Miami 19.1 Detroit 43.5 Baltimore 33.8 Jackson MS 35.4 Memphis TN 21.4 How does that crow taste? So from the data you have shown here, one would obviously reach the conclusion that from 2013-2014, the murder rates in Chicago have dropped from 15.3 per 100,000 to 15.1 per 100,000. This conclusively shows a correlation between the CCW permits being issued in early 2014, and the decline in murders until the point of this data being collected. See? I told you that you had it in you. Just be honest with yourself, be objective, and present the facts as they are. And now you have proved my 22 page argument to be right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
