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Anvilbrother

******How was that plagiarism? He never attempted to pass the information off as his own he in his first sentence stated where it came from?

Nope - he cut and pasted a long article from ACRU without giving any credit. The link in his first sentence was to something else altogether and was actually part of the article he plagiarized.

He didn't put the cut/paste job in quotation marks.
He didn't put it in a Quote box.
He didn't put it in italics, another way to suggest it wasn't his own writing.
He made NO reference to its source.
He didn't even say it was from somewhere else.

He just posted it as if it was his own writing.

Finally, and only after being called on it and first denying it, he posted the link .

Apparently YOU didn't bother to read what was posted OR to check your facts either.

And another thing John why when I simply asked how you came to the conclusion about your plagiarism claim you have to attack me about it reading and fact checking?

That's simple. If you HAD read his cut and paste job, and the link I gave to show where it was cut and pasted from, you would have known it was plagiarized. You would have reached the exact same conclusion I did. QED.

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kallend

******How was that plagiarism? He never attempted to pass the information off as his own he in his first sentence stated where it came from?

When john cannot dispute the content, he tries to discredit the poster.

That poster has already posted 3 things that, on fact checking, turned out to be untrue. And that's in this thread alone. I'm not discrediting him, he has discredited himself.

Are you playing the ball or the player?

So you have never once posted a link and forgotten the bibliography that should accompany the plagiarism?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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kallend

*********How was that plagiarism? He never attempted to pass the information off as his own he in his first sentence stated where it came from?

Nope - he cut and pasted a long article from ACRU without giving any credit. The link in his first sentence was to something else altogether and was actually part of the article he plagiarized.

He didn't put the cut/paste job in quotation marks.
He didn't put it in a Quote box.
He didn't put it in italics, another way to suggest it wasn't his own writing.
He made NO reference to its source.
He didn't even say it was from somewhere else.

He just posted it as if it was his own writing.

Finally, and only after being called on it and first denying it, he posted the link .

Apparently YOU didn't bother to read what was posted OR to check your facts either.

And another thing John why when I simply asked how you came to the conclusion about your plagiarism claim you have to attack me about it reading and fact checking?


That's simple. If you HAD read his cut and paste job, and the link I gave to show where it was cut and pasted from, you would have known it was plagiarized. You would have reached the exact same conclusion I did. QED.

Using a tactic favored by gun control advocates, you are trying to divert the readers away from the facts by steering the conversation away from the info that I pasted and onto my improper pasting of the info. Just like taking the focus off of violence and putting it on guns.

I'm sorry professor chaos. You caught me. I don't copy and paste info for a living so I'm not as well versed in it as you are. Can you just let me off with a C-? Cs get the degrees right?

All this time. Had I been living a lie? Did I try to pass off someone else article about someone else paper as my own discussion about someone else's paper?

So many studies debunk gun control. How do we fight this? Well they are right, so we will just have to study the researchers and try to find flaws in their writing to divert attention away from the evidence that would clearly make us look stupid.

[billvon 2,998]

your one warning. Cut it out.

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jbscout2002

******How was that plagiarism? He never attempted to pass the information off as his own he in his first sentence stated where it came from?

Nope - he cut and pasted a long article from ACRU without giving any credit. The link in his first sentence was to something else altogether and was actually part of the article he plagiarized.

He didn't put the cut/paste job in quotation marks.
He didn't put it in a Quote box.
He didn't put it in italics, another way to suggest it wasn't his own writing.
He made NO reference to its source.
He didn't even say it was from somewhere else.

He just posted it as if it was his own writing.

Finally, and only after being called on it and first denying it, he posted the link .

Apparently YOU didn't bother to read what was posted OR to check your facts either.

I have also not seen one post from you where you offer a single number or statistic with any hint of a reference.



Your eyesight problems are not my fault.

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I have also not actually seen any contribution to the discussion at all other than to try and say I'm lying.

Well, you have had to be corrected on several claims you've made in this thread. The age of the Oregon gunman, the waiting period for a CCW in Chicago, the date of the article you plagiarized...

People DO check up on these things, you know.

And we're still waiting for you to tell us how the 2nd Amendment saved the world's Jews, as you claimed (post #151, this thread).

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billvon

your one warning. Cut it out.

You are right. I shouldn't have stooped to his level.
Apologies

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kallend 2,027]

turtlespeed

But if you see a clown, you know the saying, you can't dislike anything in anyone else unless you dislike that about yourself.

turtlespeed

Just curious, What the fuck is wrong with you and mpohl?

turtlespeed

Are you playing the ball or the player?

Irony score 100%

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[jbscout2002 1]

Well, you have had to be corrected on several claims you've made in this thread. The age of the Oregon gunman, the waiting period for a CCW in Chicago, the date of the article you plagiarized...

People DO check up on these things, you know.

And we're still waiting for you to tell us how the 2nd Amendment saved the world's Jews, as you claimed.

The initial report I saw on the gun mans age was that he was 20. My mistake. (Just like initial reports put the number of dead at 13) I used the info that was being disseminated at that time.

Never made a claim that any Ammendment to the American Constitution saved any of the worlds Jews. That is your manipulating and misinterpretation of what was actually said. This isn't exact because I'm not scrolling through looking for that post, but what I had said was that the 2nd Amendment was put into the Bill of Rights for purpose of preventing our government from ever being able to reach a point such as that of Nazi Germany where millions of people were exterminated.

Your entire timeline of the gun ban situation in Chicago was false. State police began with processing the first applications in Feb 2014 with residents beginning to receive them a few moths later. You also made false claims that gun crimes increased in the months afterwards, to wit, I presented a link to the Chicago Tribune article stating the opposite.

You are the one with no merit here.

I fo reward outdated info because I was not looking at the publishing date, or not use a quote box en very obviously copy/pasting info, but you Sir, have just flat out lied.

You started with a completely made up and inaccurate statement, and then never refuted anything with any credible information.

[jbscout2002 1]

I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another.

Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone.

[jbscout2002 1]

Is this how you teach physics? You tell students there is no gravity on Earth and they simply float away unless the are quick enough to properly cite Newton and provide a bibliography?

[kallend 2,027]

jbscout2002

I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another.

Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone.

Irony score 100% for you too.

Here is a list of my posts in this thread with references to ACCURATE information. You know, the posts you said that you couldn't see:

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kallend

***I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another.

Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone.

Irony score 100% for you too.

Here is a list of my posts in this thread with references to ACCURATE information. You know, the posts you said that you couldn't see:

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So post 23, you say nothing, just pin a link to a tabloid
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/GDContent/mass-killings/index.html#title

I'm doing some googling, but trying to use more credible sources like cdc.gov and fbi.gov

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kallend

***I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another.

Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone.

Irony score 100% for you too.

Here is a list of my posts in this thread with references to ACCURATE information. You know, the posts you said that you couldn't see:

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/02/gun_control_by_state_tougher_laws_mean_fewer_deaths.html

Another left wing tabloid. And you are questioning my information sources?

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kallend

***I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another.

Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone.

Irony score 100% for you too.

Here is a list of my posts in this thread with references to ACCURATE information. You know, the posts you said that you couldn't see:

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Post 303 you take a top 10 list of dangerous cities and use it to argue which cities have gun problems. These numbers are based on Homicide (by gun or not), robbery, rape, and assault to build their model.

I provided you an article showing that based solely on gun crimes, L.A. ranked number 1, with Chicago at number 2.

[kallend 2,027]

And another one of your untruths: in post #323 you claimed the Illinois CCW process took nearly 2 years.

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So after the CCW was enacted, it was almost 2 years before the first citizens there began to obtain them

The CCW law was enacted July 9, 2013. That is a matter of public record that you can easily check. The first permit was issued at the end of February 2014, which is less than 8 months later. Source: www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/illinois-officials-send-out-state-s-first-concealed-carry-gun/article_44579164-2693-534a-a66d-04e1cda57089.html

So according to you, 8 months is "nearly 2 years".

Fact is, you have been caught making a bunch of untrue statements, and plagiarizing another's work.

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kallend

***I'll admit to making those mistakes. Again, I'm arguing gun politics on a skydiving forum. HONEST mistakes when transferring info from one page to another.

Yours are just plain lies. Making crap up and sling mud at a crowd to see if any of it sticks to anyone.

Irony score 100% for you too.

Here is a list of my posts in this thread with references to ACCURATE information. You know, the posts you said that you couldn't see:

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312, I simply was misinformed on the age. Upon being corrected, I pointed out that the age was a mute point anyways in regards to him being able to legally purchase guns with a record of mental illness

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jbscout2002

I provided you an article showing that based solely on gun crimes, L.A. ranked number 1, with Chicago at number 2.

Indeed. That's because they are both very large cities. HOWEVER, the correct comparison is by number of crimes per 100,000 population. When you do THAT, Chicago and LA drop way below places like Memphis, Little Rock, Atlanta, Birmingham, Miami.

According to your risk assessment you are safer in a city with 1,000 population where 25% of them get murdered in a given year, than in a city with 1,000,000 population where 0.03% of them get murdered in a year. That is just plain stupid.

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kallend

And another one of your untruths: in post #323 you claimed the Illinois CCW process took nearly 2 years.

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So after the CCW was enacted, it was almost 2 years before the first citizens there began to obtain them

The CCW law was enacted July 9, 2013. That is a matter of public record that you can easily check. The first permit was issued at the end of February 2014, which is less than 8 months later. Source: www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/illinois-officials-send-out-state-s-first-concealed-carry-gun/article_44579164-2693-534a-a66d-04e1cda57089.html

So according to you, 8 months is "nearly 2 years".

Fact is, you have been caught making a bunch of untrue statements, and plagiarizing another's work.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-03-01/news/ct-concealed-carry-licenses-met-0301-20140301_1_licenses-applications-guns

Here is another article stating as of 1 March 14, first CCW permits EXPECTED to go out in mail next week.

When did it finally happen? According to NRA forums the stalled a few times and played games before the first resident actually received a permit in the mail.

So even if I was off when quoting the time, I was still closer to the real number than your completely fabricated BS.

As I had said. I have been misinformed on some things, but when corrected, I accept it. And I haven't plagiarized anything. I copy/pasted an article that started with, "according to the whoever from where ever on whatever...." I did not try to portray myself as some kind of scholar on the basis of someone else's work.

You have just simply and blatantly lied on your facts, and you are just grasping for straws trying to discredit me. I'll make it easy. Read what I say, don't read, argue it, it is either my opinion or a copy/pasted article to support my side of the debate.

Should I even bother to keep debunking the remainder of your little "look at me" list? Not really worth the effort on an iPad, it is either made up, PLAGIARIZED, or sourced from a quack tabloid.

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kallend

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I provided you an article showing that based solely on gun crimes, L.A. ranked number 1, with Chicago at number 2.

Indeed. That's because they are both very large cities. HOWEVER, the correct comparison is by number of crimes per 100,000 population. When you do THAT, Chicago and LA drop way below places like Memphis, Little Rock, Atlanta, Birmingham, Miami.

According to your risk assessment you are safer in a city with 1,000 population where 25% of them get murdered in a given year, than in a city with 1,000,000 population where 0.03% of them get murdered in a year. That is just plain stupid.

Where's your cites for your stats?

Plagiarist.

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That is just plain stupid.

That's not an original thought or statement either.

You plagiarized that from untold numbers of possible sources of plagiarized it from untold numbers of possible sources who plagiarized it...

So, unless you start typing your own language, anything you say is basically plagiarized. Actually even if you do start typing in your own language unless you use your own symbols, the letters are plagiarized.

OK so you start typing in your own language in symbols that have never been used before ever, then you're OK.

At least, until it's translated.

this post and its contents plagiarized from an unknown number of different sources

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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kallend

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I provided you an article showing that based solely on gun crimes, L.A. ranked number 1, with Chicago at number 2.

Indeed. That's because they are both very large cities. HOWEVER, the correct comparison is by number of crimes per 100,000 population. When you do THAT, Chicago and LA drop way below places like Memphis, Little Rock, Atlanta, Birmingham, Miami.

According to your risk assessment you are safer in a city with 1,000 population where 25% of them get murdered in a given year, than in a city with 1,000,000 population where 0.03% of them get murdered in a year. That is just plain stupid.

Uh no. Again you are just way off base. On the topic of gun control, my argument was that cities with the strictest gun control laws had the highest rate of gun violence per 100,000 people. You attempted to cloud that by using cities with less restrictive gun laws, citing that the violent crimes per 100,00 was higher.

Get it?

Less guns = higher gun crime, statistically (as shown by Chicago and L.A.)

If we take the work gun out and simply have a conversation over which cities have violence problems, then you have a great chance of being beat up in Detroit than you do of being shot in Chicago.

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jbscout2002

I still want to see some offer one rational idea that would prevent gun crime. Everyone screams gun control gun control, but what is your proposed control measure? Can you offer one single control measure that could effectively prevent anything from happening?

How about we do what other countries are doing who don't have this problem? What are they doing differently that causes the stark incredible difference in violent gun death and incidences?

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

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LyraM45

***I still want to see some offer one rational idea that would prevent gun crime. Everyone screams gun control gun control, but what is your proposed control measure? Can you offer one single control measure that could effectively prevent anything from happening?

How about we do what other countries are doing who don't have this problem? What are they doing differently that causes the stark incredible difference in violent gun death and incidences?

Switzerland. They have it figured out. Per capita, they have the highest rate of gun ownership in Europe, but the lowest rate of gun violence.

There is a culture there of introducing children to guns in a controlled environment and teaching them about shooting and gun safety. Instead of trying to demonize guns, kids start joining gun clubs as young as 12 years old.

Guns are common, available, a major pastime sport, and NORMAL. Here we demonize them. We try to keep hem away from everyone. Some people want one just cause they can't have it.

[jbscout2002 1]

Where I come from, parents are teaching 7-8 year old kids how to properly handle and shoot a gun. It is very controlled, very hands on, using a single shot .22. Pounding in safety fundamentals and how dangerous they are. Always saying this is not a toy, if you ever touch this without me standing there I will bust your little bottom so hard you'll grow up Dmocrat.

My dad let me shoot at apples, milk jugs full of water, and stuff like that. It's fun for a little kid, but then he would say you see what happened to that apple? Can you imagine if that were your foot?

In my home town, guns are no different than having a pocket knife. A 12 year old kid can be strolling down the road with his shotgun to go to a fiends house so the two of them can go hunting with the friends dad. No one bats an eye.

[jbscout2002 1]

jbscout2002

Where I come from, parents are teaching 7-8 year old kids how to properly handle and shoot a gun. It is very controlled, very hands on, using a single shot .22. Pounding in safety fundamentals and how dangerous they are. Always saying this is not a toy, if you ever touch this without me standing there I will bust your little bottom so hard you'll grow up Dmocrat.

My dad let me shoot at apples, milk jugs full of water, and stuff like that. It's fun for a little kid, but then he would say you see what happened to that apple? Can you imagine if that were your foot?

In my home town, guns are no different than having a pocket knife. A 12 year old kid can be strolling down the road with his shotgun to go to a fiends house so the two of them can go hunting with the friends dad. No one bats an eye.

My in laws live in the Bronx though, so I can see where things would be different in that neighborhood.

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Bolas

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I provided you an article showing that based solely on gun crimes, L.A. ranked number 1, with Chicago at number 2.

Indeed. That's because they are both very large cities. HOWEVER, the correct comparison is by number of crimes per 100,000 population. When you do THAT, Chicago and LA drop way below places like Memphis, Little Rock, Atlanta, Birmingham, Miami.

According to your risk assessment you are safer in a city with 1,000 population where 25% of them get murdered in a given year, than in a city with 1,000,000 population where 0.03% of them get murdered in a year. That is just plain stupid.

Where's your cites for your stats?

Plagiarist.

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That is just plain stupid.

That's not an original thought or statement either.

You plagiarized that from untold numbers of possible sources of plagiarized it from untold numbers of possible sources who plagiarized it...

So, unless you start typing your own language, anything you say is basically plagiarized. Actually even if you do start typing in your own language unless you use your own symbols, the letters are plagiarized.

OK so you start typing in your own language in symbols that have never been used before ever, then you're OK.

At least, until it's translated.

this post and its contents plagiarized from an unknown number of different sources

Already provided in the post referenced.

You need to do your homework too.

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