Another mass shooting...

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Hooknswoop

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Other countries manage to have far lower gun death rates than the US, along with traffic death rates similar to US ones. It's not that much of a burden. Just ask anyone living in another western country. You can keep your trade off. No one else wants it!

OK, deal.

Derek V

And I believe you are in the majority in your country in accepting this price. Not a huge majority, but a majority none the less. I really like America, but I don't understand the country wide love affair with lethal weapons. (Not that I don't have Canadian friends who envy your gun laws)

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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mpohl

Gun violence is a uniquely American phenomenon.
This doesn't happen to that extend in Europe, the UK (America's brethren), Russia, China, India. Do I need to go on?

Gun violence is totally preventable.
No guns, no violence.

Again: Europe, the UK (America's brethren), Russia, China, India. Do I need to go on

Hey, you know what did happen in Europe? Russia disarmed its citizens and then Stallin had them executed by the millions. Germany disarmed its citizens and then Hitler. Enough said?

Our constitution was written in a way that ensured there would always be a system of checks and balances to protect us from tyranny.

Guns aren't the problem. People committing murder is the problem.

[jbscout2002 1]

tkhayes

at what point does it become 'emotional' enough to do something? By your standards I mean.

I mean we invaded Iraq over 9/11 and they had nothing to do with it. Was 9/11 emotional or not? were you emotional over 9/11? Do you disagree with any of the actions we took because of 9/11 due to people being 'emotional about it?

Did you desire and expect the USA to address 9/11 on those emotions? more people died from gun violence this year than died in 9/11.

now tell me that emotions do not matter again....go ahead. explain that to me how Pearl Harbor, 9/11, Iwo Jima, were not 'emotional' and I guess we never should have acted on them because they were too 'emotional' to be acted upon.

Go ahead and explain to me how Hurricane Katrina was 'emotional' and we never should have acted on it. Go ahead and explain to me how any major California earthquake was too 'emotional' and how we never should have acted on them because of that.

Go ahead and explain to me how we never should have acted on Polio....because so many people were so fucking 'emotional' that OBVIOUSLY a rational solution could never be found....I mean all those 'emotional people' demanding that someone help the situation - how dare they....

I cannot wait to hear that. go ahead. I can hardly wait

Hey History Professor. We invaded Afghanistan because of 9/11. Remember? Al Qada, the Taliban, Osama bin Ladens Jihad on America.

We invaded Iraq over a year later under false pretense of WMDs. We toppled a brutal regime and brought change and growth. I remember, I lost a few really good friends there. Then we were pulled out too early leaving a power vacuum that is being filled by ISIS.

[MrSnipes 0]

Couldn't agree more! Well said.

[tonyhays 86]

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Our constitution was written in a way that ensured there would always be a system of checks and balances to protect us from tyranny.

If you think armed citizens are any threat to the U.S. government, you are living in a dream world.

Tanks, drones, fighter jets, cruise missiles, satellite surveillance, etc vs. small arms fire from unorganised, untrained weekend warriors.

The 2nd amendment was relevant when it was written and everyone had close to the same level of weaponry. Times change and to keep using the "tyranny" argument is silly.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[MrSnipes 0]

I'm with Derek. Real freedom will never be safe. I still choose freedom.

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Hey, you know what did happen in Europe? Russia disarmed its citizens and then Stallin had them executed by the millions. Germany disarmed its citizens and then Hitler. Enough said?

Hey History professor, you seriously need to reevaluate what you think you know about European history. Enough said?

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Our constitution was written in a way that ensured there would always be a system of checks and balances to protect us from tyranny.

It was written for a feudal society 300 years ago and amended 27 times.
Your country has more people in prison in absolute and relative numbers than any other country on earth.
You have a militarized police.
Innocent people are regularly executed by the government.
Why do you not stand up to the tyranny?

I can't understand why you think a 300 year old document is a good recipe for society.
It is clearly flawed as evidenced by all the gun violence - unless of course you think gun violence is a good thing for society then I stand corrected.

[tkhayes 348]

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I keep asking what can be done about it. So far no one has presented a solution that will make a real difference without removing the freedom to own firearms.

How can you stop someone that owns a firearm, legally purchased, would pass any of the ideas you have presented, goes crazy and starts shooting? There is now law, no background check, no training that can prevent someone form losing it.

absolutely and patently false and wrong.

Canada is one example where you can still buy guns, your 'freedom' is not infringed.....you can own handguns, you can get guns, you can shoot, and there are more and more guns in Canada than ever before.

And the gun violence rate is a fraction of what it is here. which actually removes most of the need to carry a gun for self defense.

to sit here and say that there are no solutions or that no one has presented any solutions yet is simply obtuse and shows a demonstrative level of blindness and ignorance unique only to America

So little view of what the rest of the world has accomplished successfully.

unbelievably american

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tkhayes

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let's do nothing about it then. what the fuck, I mean millions of dollars, people's lives destroyed, all falling on society to fund in so many ways....but it is Ok.

we can do nothing, I mean we put a man on the fucking moon and have cured countless diseases, but no, there is nothing that can be done EVER to help improve the gun violence in the country. nothing.

way to go america. you rock

Please. Tell me what law or policy would stop someone intent on killing?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 348]

stop being so 'american ignorant' please

what laws do we have in place that stop restaurant workers from pissing in the soup? zero

however, with a pretty good set of restaurant cleanliness laws and regular inspections, reasonable regulations etc, there is not really a problem with restaurant workers pissing in the soup. no, we did not eliminate it.

what laws are in place that stop drivers from speeding past school buses and killing children? none that absolutely stop it, but with hefty fines, some regulation, monitoring and cultural changes, as well as signage on the school buses, lights and other safety devices, drivers mowing down school children on school buses has been reduced to nearly zero.

No we did not eliminate it.

your are so truly 'american ignorant' to think that nothing can be done.

So then can I assume that unless someone comes up with the absolutely perfect solution to gun violence, guaranteeing you 100% success, that you are unwilling to move even one inch towards a solution?

Do you have a problem with the CDC and the FBI being able to track data on gun violence? Are you willing to write Congress to ask for such legislation?

Do you have a problem with a more complete background check system targeting the mentally ill and criminals for all gun sales? Are you willing to write Congress to ask for such legislation?

Do you have a problem with requiring all gun losses and thefts to be reported to the police and or FBI so those guns can be tracked if they ever end up involved in a crime? Are you willing to write Congress to ask for such legislation?

Are you willing to move even ONE INCH on the issue? Are you willing to write Congress to ask for ANY legislation?

No, I thought not.

[Anvilbrother 0]

http://mic.com/articles/99392/here-s-how-many-lives-could-be-saved-by-lifting-the-gay-blood-donor-ban


I had about half a dozen lined up but I knew they all would be nit picked so I chose the single easiest one to do.

So there a simple policy change that would save more lives than gun control and will actually increase instead of take away freedoms. Your turn.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

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tkhayes

stop being so 'american ignorant' please

what laws do we have in place that stop restaurant workers from pissing in the soup? zero

however, with a pretty good set of restaurant cleanliness laws and regular inspections, reasonable regulations etc, there is not really a problem with restaurant workers pissing in the soup. no, we did not eliminate it.

what laws are in place that stop drivers from speeding past school buses and killing children? none that absolutely stop it, but with hefty fines, some regulation, monitoring and cultural changes, as well as signage on the school buses, lights and other safety devices, drivers mowing down school children on school buses has been reduced to nearly zero.

No we did not eliminate it.

your are so truly 'american ignorant' to think that nothing can be done.

So then can I assume that unless someone comes up with the absolutely perfect solution to gun violence, guaranteeing you 100% success, that you are unwilling to move even one inch towards a solution?

Do you have a problem with the CDC and the FBI being able to track data on gun violence? Are you willing to write Congress to ask for such legislation?

Do you have a problem with a more complete background check system targeting the mentally ill and criminals for all gun sales? Are you willing to write Congress to ask for such legislation?

Do you have a problem with requiring all gun losses and thefts to be reported to the police and or FBI so those guns can be tracked if they ever end up involved in a crime? Are you willing to write Congress to ask for such legislation?

Are you willing to move even ONE INCH on the issue? Are you willing to write Congress to ask for ANY legislation?

No, I thought not.

Would any of those stopped ANY of the shootings we have had in the last 2 years?

The answer

No

So all you do is create another set of bureaucratic bull shit for the law abiding to jump through and gain nothing

I would lobby congress
If someone could come up with anything that might help
But
This is NOT a gun issue

This guy had people stand up and state their religion
If they said Christian, he shot them in the head!!!!

He was one sick fucker
Thankfully, he can hurt no one else

Then, we got this stupid president that ignores the families who will suffer the rest of their lives to try and score a political point

Nice

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Would any of those stopped ANY of the shootings we have had in the last 2 years?

The answer

No

Then why are you in favour of banning abortions?

If women are intent on having one, they will find a way to get one. So banning abortions will do nothng to stop abortions.

Yet, you are in favour of banning them.

You can't even keep your own logic straight.

Lastly, on the "screamed" comment above. State law supercedes the school policies. State law is pretty clear that people with a concealed carry license are allowed to carry on the campus grounds.

If you had taken a little bit of time to read, you would have seen that posted a couple of times by now.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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Would any of those stopped ANY of the shootings we have had in the last 2 years?

The answer

No

Then why are you in favour of banning abortions?

If women are intent on having one, they will find a way to get one. So banning abortions will do nothng to stop abortions.

Yet, you are in favour of banning them.

You can't even keep your own logic straight.

Lastly, on the "screamed" comment above. State law supercedes the school policies. State law is pretty clear that people with a concealed carry license are allowed to carry on the campus grounds.

If you had taken a little bit of time to read, you would have seen that posted a couple of times by now.

All you need do is admit you were wrong

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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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MrSnipes

I'm with Derek. Real freedom will never be safe. I still choose freedom.

which freedom ?
like Bridge Day 2015 freedom ?

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

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rushmc

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Would any of those stopped ANY of the shootings we have had in the last 2 years?

The answer

No

Then why are you in favour of banning abortions?

If women are intent on having one, they will find a way to get one. So banning abortions will do nothng to stop abortions.

Yet, you are in favour of banning them.

You can't even keep your own logic straight.

Lastly, on the "screamed" comment above. State law supercedes the school policies. State law is pretty clear that people with a concealed carry license are allowed to carry on the campus grounds.

If you had taken a little bit of time to read, you would have seen that posted a couple of times by now.

All you need do is admit you were wrong

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I have no problem admitting when I am wrong Rush, but the state law is clear.

Are you denying that Oregon state law allows concealed carry license holders to carry on campus grounds of public schools?

[rushmc 23]

http://www.infowars.com/community-college-where-10-shot-dead-was-a-gun-free-zone/

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A post on the Umpqua Community College website (which is currently down) outlines the fact that the campus was a gun free zone where even water pistols were banned.


“Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited.

Possession of knives with a blade longer than 4” is prohibited.

Brandishing weapons is prohibited.

Misuse of personal defensive weapons – e.g., pepper spray, etc. is prohibited. The owner is responsible and accountable for any misuse of these devices.”

In addition, CBS Seattle reports that “Joe Olson, former president of the college, told The Associated Press the school has only one security officer on duty at a time, and that person isn’t armed.”

You think the students were going to fight this?

Really?


Gun free zone dude

Period

No matter how slippery you are trying to be

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

http://www.infowars.com/community-college-where-10-shot-dead-was-a-gun-free-zone/

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A post on the Umpqua Community College website (which is currently down) outlines the fact that the campus was a gun free zone where even water pistols were banned.


“Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited.

Possession of knives with a blade longer than 4” is prohibited.

Brandishing weapons is prohibited.

Misuse of personal defensive weapons – e.g., pepper spray, etc. is prohibited. The owner is responsible and accountable for any misuse of these devices.”

In addition, CBS Seattle reports that “Joe Olson, former president of the college, told The Associated Press the school has only one security officer on duty at a time, and that person isn’t armed.”

You think the students were going to fight this?

Really?


Gun free zone dude

Period

No matter how slippery you are trying to be

I have bolded the relevant part.

There is indeed a law that authorizes Oregon concealed carry license holders to carry on campus grounds.

Are you denying there is such a law?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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Would any of those stopped ANY of the shootings we have had in the last 2 years?

The answer

No

Then why are you in favour of banning abortions?

If women are intent on having one, they will find a way to get one. So banning abortions will do nothng to stop abortions.

Yet, you are in favour of banning them.

You can't even keep your own logic straight.

Lastly, on the "screamed" comment above. State law supercedes the school policies. State law is pretty clear that people with a concealed carry license are allowed to carry on the campus grounds.

If you had taken a little bit of time to read, you would have seen that posted a couple of times by now.

All you need do is admit you were wrong

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I have no problem admitting when I am wrong Rush, but the state law is clear.

Are you denying that Oregon state law allows concealed carry license holders to carry on campus grounds of public schools?

Iowa state law allows permit holders to carry in all public (government) building too
But cities still post to keep legal owner/carriers out

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Iowa state law

We are talking about Oregon, not Iowa.

Just simply answer the question:

Are you denying that Oregon state law allows concealed carry license holders to carry on campus grounds of public schools?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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Iowa state law

We are talking about Oregon, not Iowa.

Just simply answer the question:

Are you denying that Oregon state law allows concealed carry license holders to carry on campus grounds of public schools?

Red hearing

I am not denying anything
but you are

And that would be reality

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

So Oregon law allows for concealed carry on the campus, yet you still feel the need to scream how fucking clear it is that this is a gun free zone...

Feel silly much?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

So Oregon law allows for concealed carry on the campus, yet you still feel the need to scream how fucking clear it is that this is a gun free zone...

Feel silly much?

It is a gun free zone
and you know it
Even the 1 security guard did NOT have a weapon

The only feeling I have is feeling sorry for you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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It is a gun free zone

A gun free zone in which state law allows for legal concealed carry.

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SkyDekker

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Iowa state law

We are talking about Oregon, not Iowa.

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