Monogamy, Polygamy,Polyandry,Promiscuity etc (ON SUBJECT PLEASE)

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The desire of the male lion to make sure the offspring of the females are his .... are what drives any patriarchal society

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Darius11

But i think you are right that's the correct way to look at it but i cant do it.

Then be monogamous. There is no correct way, only the way that's good for you and those in your life.

[wmw999 2,447]

It's a matter of communicating and coming to an equal-power agreement with your spouse. I'm monogamous, but who knows how much of that is socialization vs nature? I do know that, even being honest and monogamous, it really sucks to be with someone who's by nature jealous.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I wonder what part possessiveness plays into the monogamy part.

I can see men being as possessive as women, and vice versa.

This is also a resource thing. You want to protect the things you invest resources in - ergo possessiveness.

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Who should be the alpha?

Who should? can never be the question when discussing anthropology, the question is always who was? That's the difference between post modernists and scientists.

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Where does homosexuality stand in the dynamics of monogamy?

Homosexuality is indeed viewed very differently across the cultures. There is no simple or single answer to this question.

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The desire of the male lion to make sure the offspring of the females are his .... are what drives any patriarchal society

Oh totally. I was just making a joke about how some people seem to think that the patriarchy is a new development...

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The desire of the male lion to make sure the offspring of the females are his .... are what drives any patriarchal society

Oh totally. I was just making a joke about how some people seem to think that the patriarchy is a new development...

Many of the ancient matriarchal societies disappeared after being around for thousands of years and were brutally obliterated.. at least in Europe and the near east. Too peaceful for their own good

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The desire of the male lion to make sure the offspring of the females are his .... are what drives any patriarchal society

Oh totally. I was just making a joke about how some people seem to think that the patriarchy is a new development...

Many of the ancient matriarchal societies disappeared after being around for thousands of years and were brutally obliterated.. at least in Europe and the near east. Too peaceful for their own good

Yeah, the bunch of pussies.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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turtlespeed

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The desire of the male lion to make sure the offspring of the females are his .... are what drives any patriarchal society

Oh totally. I was just making a joke about how some people seem to think that the patriarchy is a new development...

Many of the ancient matriarchal societies disappeared after being around for thousands of years and were brutally obliterated.. at least in Europe and the near east. Too peaceful for their own good

Yeah, the bunch of pussies.

And the several millennia of wars fostered by the Roid Raging assholes has been SOOOO beneficial to the human race

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Many of the ancient matriarchal societies disappeared after being around for thousands of years and were brutally obliterated.. at least in Europe and the near east. Too peaceful for their own good

I would like to take up on that. Do you have any credible sources about a matriarchal society of any note what so ever?

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Many of the ancient matriarchal societies disappeared after being around for thousands of years and were brutally obliterated.. at least in Europe and the near east. Too peaceful for their own good

I would like to take up on that. Do you have any credible sources about a matriarchal society of any note what so ever?

Rare but still with us...

http://mentalfloss.com/article/31274/6-modern-societies-where-women-literally-rule

And older....

http://loveofthegoddess.blogspot.com/2012/02/ancient-matriarchy.html


There has been evidence to suggest that in parts of India, Asia, Celtic societies and indigenous tribes had matriarchal societies. It is very well known that ancient Celtic women had equal power and influence to men. They fought in war, made important decisions and had property ownership. Celtic women were known to be fierce warriors fighting right beside their men in battle, the most famous of these warrior women is Queen Boudicca of the Iceni. The Picts of Scotland were said to be a Matriarchal or Matrilineal society as well. Although not much is known about these great and fierce people, this little fact was said to be recorded by Roman historians.

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There has been evidence to suggest that in parts of India, Asia, Celtic societies and indigenous tribes had matriarchal societies. It is very well known that ancient Celtic women had equal power and influence to men. They fought in war, made important decisions and had property ownership. Celtic women were known to be fierce warriors fighting right beside their men in battle, the most famous of these warrior women is Queen Boudicca of the Iceni.

This is the definition of an egalitarian society not a matriarchal one.

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http://mentalfloss.com/...women-literally-rule

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http://loveofthegoddess.blogspot.com/...ient-matriarchy.html

Amazing. Did you even read the first link you posted? It literally describes matrilineal societies not matriarchal ones. The difference is really important. Further it's a click bait article without much scientific merit.

The second link: a site called lovetheygoddess is probably a little bit biased and not really a scientific source. It's the anthropological equivalent to breitbart or the blaze.
Also there is so much wrong with it that I don't even know where to begin.
Just read this bit:

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This theory that a Matriarchal society is in all actuality, an egalitarian society, has been proven many times over. So it could never be the opposite of Patriarchy.

This is so hilariously absurd. There are no sources, no citations, nothing. And which is it? A matriarchy or an egalitarian society? You can't just redefine words to fit your agenda.

You have to do better than that. I'm actually quite disappointed amazon. You always call the right wingers on their bullshit, now you are doing exactly the same...


I'll just leave this snippet from the wikipedia matriarchy page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchy

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Most anthropologists hold that there are no known societies that are unambiguously matriarchal, but some authors believe exceptions may exist or may have.

The authors that believe these exceptions exist, are the ones posting to sites like lovetheygoddess.

[nigel99 475]

It's a fascinating subject. I've spent lots if time pondering.

Promiscuity sucks and is unhealthy for all involved.

I spent most of a 20 year marriage longing for a polyamourous relationship as my wife was a bitch and I longed for a loving relationship.

Honesty is the key. Then it purely depends on your joint emotional and physical needs. My best friend is a female in a relationship. We travel together, spend lots of time together and yet she is in a relationship. Her partner knows about us and there are no secrets.

I think the strict monogomy model results in unhappiness when physical or emotional needs aren't met by a partner. Keep it in the open and that is less of an issue. I don't have an issue with sexual sharing if its by mutual consent and that must involve all parties with no manipulation.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Darius11

I have a good friend for years open marriage 31 years now married two kids happy.

I have asked him, it does not bother you at all that your wife is going out to get banged then come home and give you a kiss and all is ok??? He says yes its cool by him sighting all the same things posted and i know he means it.
I don't get how being ok with it happens!?

I saw a recent movie where the guy let his wife have sex with other men because he didn't have a penis.

Does your friend have a penis? Does he even have any balls?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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Does your friend have a penis? Does he even have any balls?

He probably doesn't suffer from childish insecurities. I wish I didn't suffer form them as well... But alas, I get jealous like lots other people as well and there doesn't seem to be anything I can do against it.

I would love to though.

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Does your friend have a penis? Does he even have any balls?

He probably doesn't suffer from childish insecurities. I wish I didn't suffer form them as well... But alas, I get jealous like lots other people as well and there doesn't seem to be anything I can do against it.

I would love to though.

Maybe he's the one with the problem, not you. Maybe there is something wrong with his brain similar to Sociopaths/Psychopaths in that they don't feel guilt/remorse.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Amazon 7]

HIStory has completely subsumed HERstory.

But thanks for playing

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one father and one mother to raise a family and teach responsibility to their children

One can be non-monogamous and still be able to do that. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

Quite frankly I think monogamy puts a lot more strain on a relationship than most other things, specially when it takes forms where partners are not able to openly discuss their wants and desires.

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http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/christopher-ryan-3


Oddly this just came up and this is one of the books i read," Sex at dawn".
I have not watched this yet just saw it thought it was interesting that the pod cast just came up. Curios to see what is said and Joe is usually a great interviewer.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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Oddly this just came up and this is one of the books i read," Sex at dawn".

Interesting I will take a look at the podcast.

You do realize that "Sex at dawn" does not meet scientific standards. I would take everything you read with a grain of salt.

If you are really interested in this debate I recommend "The blank slate" by Stephen Pinker. It highlights the conflict between science and modernism very well and shows the implications of what happens when you try science based on ideology.

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RonD1120

One man, one woman or one father and one mother to raise a family and teach responsibility to their children. The inner city welfare culture is our current example of what happens when you choose the other path.

I was very much not innner city and very much had one mother and one father in a traditional family unit. I grew up on welfare and free lunch. Poverty does not discriminate when it comes to the family unit. Funny enough, I think if you look up the statistics, it's mostly traditional families that receive government aid. And if memory serves me correctly, aren't they mostly from red states?

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

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LyraM45

***One man, one woman or one father and one mother to raise a family and teach responsibility to their children. The inner city welfare culture is our current example of what happens when you choose the other path.

I was very much not innner city and very much had one mother and one father in a traditional family unit. I grew up on welfare and free lunch. Poverty does not discriminate when it comes to the family unit. Funny enough, I think if you look up the statistics, it's mostly traditional families that receive government aid. And if memory serves me correctly, aren't they mostly from red states?

Yes.

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www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8

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kallend

******One man, one woman or one father and one mother to raise a family and teach responsibility to their children. The inner city welfare culture is our current example of what happens when you choose the other path.

I was very much not innner city and very much had one mother and one father in a traditional family unit. I grew up on welfare and free lunch. Poverty does not discriminate when it comes to the family unit. Funny enough, I think if you look up the statistics, it's mostly traditional families that receive government aid. And if memory serves me correctly, aren't they mostly from red states?

Yes.

mx2.politicususa.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/tax-foundation-map.jpg

www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8

aattp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/red-state-socialism.jpg

The white lower middle class in these states votes for the party that screws them over because, you know, GUNS! GAYS! MEXICANS!

Don't forget.... CHEAP CARBOHYDRATES.... and their ready availability at their shrine to stupidity.. WALMART . I swear to gawd I never seed so many morbidly obese people in mah life while driving all thru Americas example of Third World Idiocracy.

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One angle I think has been overlooked so far is simply sex for the enjoyment of sex. People in a relationship should have an agreement for sexual behavior with each other and other people (none, some, together, whatever).

But let's not forget that plenty of people have sex totally outside relationships, and without the intent of (and often carefully guarding against) procreation.

Isn't it funny how the big scandals over societally unacceptable sexual behavior usually involve those who have had to or are trying to repress those thoughts and behaviors? Example: the "socially conservative" loudmouth man who puts down same-sex couples, caught picking up guys in public places. Or the people raised in ultra-religious families or communities, so insistent that anything sexual outside the marriage bed is evil -- are the ones frequenting strip clubs, hiring prostitutes, soliciting for or caught having affairs.

Denying the natural desires of your physical being -- oppressing them to the point of negligence -- just sets the stage for them to surface with more strength and with less ability to be understood/controlled.

I am NOT saying we should all just give in to all desires all the time. However, they certainly should be acknowledged, understood and accepted, so as to be better enjoyed and better balanced with the other things important in life. To some, that means never entering a monogamous relationship in the first place. To others, that might mean "going solo" until they're married. Most certainly, it should mean only engaging in consensual physical encounters with anyone else, and not hurting anyone (I don't think I have to name those infractions here). Ultimately, we need to remove the stigma of human sexuality. Only then can we understand ourselves, and incorporate it responsibly into the rest of our lives.

Just the 2 cents from an amateur humanist. :)

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