Paris attacks: Shootings kill 18, hostage-taking at Bataclan arts centre

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French president says attacks are an act of war by IS. Will they call on article 5.

[billvon 2,989]

>Well if it were the American police, it would be understandable, and accepted.

And we would now be hearing that the victims "certainly weren't choirboys."

[riggerrob 643]

"I'll fuck you 'til you love me!"

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Then why are Parisians feeling like Afghan tea boys limping to Friday prayers.
In American terms .... the new boy in prison.

[jclalor 12]

It's a bit ironic that France was on the right side of history and opposed the US led invasion of Iraq. Now they have to pay the price for the shithole that we created.

Freedom fries anyone?

[Zep 0]

Wouldn't that attack had a much better effect being perpetrated in Berlin?

Gone fishing

[Coreeece 2]

turtlespeed

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When the IRA was bombing and shooting hundreds of people in Britain a few years ago there wasn't an outcry about deporting Catholics, how RC was a religion of hate, etc., etc. Rather, there were collections taken up in Boston, NYC and San Francisco (among other places) to buy weapons for IRA terrorists.

At various times pretty much all religions have had extremist followers who commit atrocities in the name of their religion.

How many people have atheists killed for the purpose of promoting atheism?

http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/

But what's a couple million anyway?
What difference, at this point, does it really make now anyway?

Don't forget Enver Hoxa and the atrocities committed in the name of State Atheism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_Hoxha#Human_rights

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Coreeece 2]

kallend

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When the IRA was bombing and shooting hundreds of people in Britain a few years ago there wasn't an outcry about deporting Catholics, how RC was a religion of hate, etc., etc. Rather, there were collections taken up in Boston, NYC and San Francisco (among other places) to buy weapons for IRA terrorists.

At various times pretty much all religions have had extremist followers who commit atrocities in the name of their religion.

How many people have atheists killed for the purpose of promoting atheism?

http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/

But what's a couple million anyway?
What difference, at this point, does it really make now anyway?

Having a little reading comprehension problem this morning?

His comprehension seems fine.

From the Article:
"estimates of the total number murdered under Stalin’s reign, range from 10 million to 60 million. His government promoted atheism with mass propaganda in school, and held a terror campaign against the religious. He crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and shooting more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns between 1937 and 1938."

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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grue

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When the IRA was bombing and shooting hundreds of people in Britain a few years ago there wasn't an outcry about deporting Catholics, how RC was a religion of hate, etc., etc. Rather, there were collections taken up in Boston, NYC and San Francisco (among other places) to buy weapons for IRA terrorists.

At various times pretty much all religions have had extremist followers who commit atrocities in the name of their religion.

How many people have atheists killed for the purpose of promoting atheism?

http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/

But what's a couple million anyway?
What difference, at this point, does it really make now anyway?

Of those, Stalin's actions against the churchies are the only ones that even remotely quality for what Kallend is talking about. The rest are just people being cunts that would have been cunts no matter what their person belief was.

Yet you didn't apply that marginalization until it was atheism that was being criticized - nice double standard.

I'm not sure if you guys are in denial or just trolling...

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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Coreeece

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When the IRA was bombing and shooting hundreds of people in Britain a few years ago there wasn't an outcry about deporting Catholics, how RC was a religion of hate, etc., etc. Rather, there were collections taken up in Boston, NYC and San Francisco (among other places) to buy weapons for IRA terrorists.

At various times pretty much all religions have had extremist followers who commit atrocities in the name of their religion.

How many people have atheists killed for the purpose of promoting atheism?

http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/

But what's a couple million anyway?
What difference, at this point, does it really make now anyway?

Of those, Stalin's actions against the churchies are the only ones that even remotely quality for what Kallend is talking about. The rest are just people being cunts that would have been cunts no matter what their person belief was.

Yet you didn't apply that marginalization until it was atheism that was being criticized - nice double standard.

I'm not sure if you guys are in denial or just trolling...

I'm not sure if you're naive or dumb. Nobody is out there going "I am killing you because atheism" but atrocities overtly in the name of some retarded fairy tale have been happening for thousands of years.

cavete terrae.

[jakee 1,489]

jclalor

It's a bit ironic that France was on the right side of history and opposed the US led invasion of Iraq. Now they have to pay the price for the shithole that we created.

Kinda, but not that simple. France has a strong recent history of domestic racial and religious tensions that have little to do with the global scene.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[cvfd1399 0]

Putin says we should stand together and do something about Isis. So far this is my favorite comment in regards to that.

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"ISIS should ask the Nazis how it went the last time someone gave the US and Russia a reason to put aside their 10,000 differences."

[ryoder 1,590]

jakee

***It's a bit ironic that France was on the right side of history and opposed the US led invasion of Iraq. Now they have to pay the price for the shithole that we created.

Kinda, but not that simple. France has a strong recent history of domestic racial and religious tensions that have little to do with the global scene.

The French have a lot of history less than 100 years ago in Syria, and not in a good way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Mandate_for_Syria_and_the_Lebanon

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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grue

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When the IRA was bombing and shooting hundreds of people in Britain a few years ago there wasn't an outcry about deporting Catholics, how RC was a religion of hate, etc., etc. Rather, there were collections taken up in Boston, NYC and San Francisco (among other places) to buy weapons for IRA terrorists.

At various times pretty much all religions have had extremist followers who commit atrocities in the name of their religion.

How many people have atheists killed for the purpose of promoting atheism?

http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/

But what's a couple million anyway?
What difference, at this point, does it really make now anyway?

Of those, Stalin's actions against the churchies are the only ones that even remotely quality for what Kallend is talking about. The rest are just people being cunts that would have been cunts no matter what their person belief was.

Yet you didn't apply that marginalization until it was atheism that was being criticized - nice double standard.

I'm not sure if you guys are in denial or just trolling...

I'm not sure if you're naive or dumb. Nobody is out there going "I am killing you because atheism"

Perhaps you could relate to some of the less militant tactics/ideologies of the LMG:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists

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The League of Militant Atheists aided the Soviet government in killing clergy and committed believers. The League also made it a priority to remove religious icons from the homes of believers. Under the slogan, "the Storming of Heaven," the League of Militant Atheists pressed for "resolute action against religious peasants" leading to the mass arrest and exile of many believers, especially village priests....

... it had about 3.5 million members from 100 nationalities. It had about 96,000 offices across the country. Guided by Bolshevik principles of antireligious propaganda and party's orders with regards to religion, the League aimed at exterminating religion in all its manifestations and forming an anti-religious scientific mindset among the workers. It propagated atheism and scientific achievements, conducted 'individual work' (a method of sending atheist tutors to meet with individual believers to convince them of atheism, which could be followed up with harassment if they failed to comply)

...and tho people like Stalin, Hoxa and bigoted thugs like those above may not have always tortured or killed directly in the name of atheism, their oppressive intimidation was used in an attempt to maintain a level of state atheism and eliminate religious expression - it failed miserably.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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Much like I feel about most of our government, I don't want to see religion killed by others. I want to see those politicians and religion die natural deaths and then celebrate them.

cavete terrae.

[mistercwood 287]

Coreeece

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hell, has there even BEEN any sort of official confirmation of the motive for these attacks??

Would it make you feel better about it if these people had a reason?

My point was that the poster to whom I was responding was already calling for the deportation of Muslims, without any Muslim group claiming responsibility nor any official word that this was an act of Islamic extremism. It was knee-jerk bigotry, and I was calling it out.

And I'm annoyed I'm having to explain this, you're smart enough to not need that.

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

[tonyhays 86]

Sorry, it took 12 posts before the ODS set in. My mistake.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[cvfd1399 0]

What is ods?

[winsor 236]

cvfd1399

What is ods?

Obama disgust sensation

[Boomerdog 0]

I'll just offer the attachment.

[cvfd1399 0]

I'm glad you said it. I wanted to but knew I would be bashed for saying it.

[normiss 798]

Or ridicule someone else for saying the same thing.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Iago

...Years later the United States was ridiculed, criticized, and attacked by the same countries for going into that part of The World and trying to do something about it...

If you mean Afghanistan, I don't recall any ridicule, criticism or attacks by anyone for our going into it do assist the Northern Alliance in taking down the Taliban.

If you mean Iraq, they had nothing to do with the attacks on New York or the Pentagon. NOTHING AT ALL!!!

As a matter of fact, the entity known as Daesh (ISIS) is a direct result of our going into Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein and the Baath party.

Remember Rumsfeld talking about the 'Dead Enders' after the invasion? They don't seem to have gotten the message that they had no future at all and would lie down and give up.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[ryoder 1,590]

For those always complaining that Muslims don't speak out against Islamic extremists, here is an Islamic leader condemning the Paris attacks. Of course, since ISIS is Sunni, and Hezbollah is Shiite, it's not a big surprise:

http://news.yahoo.com/hezbollah-chief-lebanon-denounces-paris-attacks-184742949.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Iago

Years later the United States was ridiculed, criticized, and attacked by the same countries for going into that part of The World and trying to do something about it.

To be fair, our fucking around in that part of the world is why we had limited-time-only nonstop flights to the WTC in the first place.

cavete terrae.

[billvon 2,989]

>My sympathies do go out to the French people.

Biggest terrorist attack in US history. French response from Le Monde: We are all Americans.

Biggest terrorist attack in French history. US response from Newt Gingrich: You should have had more guns.