Adolf Trump

[billvon 2,991]

>Just saying is there is a year that a 3rd party "could" win it may be this election.

Then you give the reason why this won't happen:

>on the GOP side there are two candidates that would really battle and have
>a good chance against the left. . . .People are not smart.

The reason a third party candidate won't appear is due to the same rationale you used above. "It's not smart to do anything but see this as a contest between two parties."

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billvon

>Just saying is there is a year that a 3rd party "could" win it may be this election.

Then you give the reason why this won't happen:

>on the GOP side there are two candidates that would really battle and have
>a good chance against the left. . . .People are not smart.

The reason a third party candidate won't appear is due to the same rationale you used above. "It's not smart to do anything but see this as a contest between two parties."

Believe me, I get it and I agree. I do think a contested convention is coming.

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[ryoder 1,590]

Seen on Twitter:
"Donald Trump is not a rich man, he's what a hobo imagines a rich man to be."
--Louis C.K.

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ryoder

***Yep it's nice we keep looking at a comedy show for political advice.

Only appropriate since the GOP has become indistinguishable from a comedy show.
Yes, and the Dems resemble reality shows like , "Orange is the new Black" and "South Park."

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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After the first black president in US history....

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normiss

After the first black president in US history....

THAT is fuggin funny!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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They're working on the salute. Up next: stylish brown shirts with attractive lightning bolt accents on the collar.

Don

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

Unbelievable.

There is no doubt in my mind that the US is ripe for a Hitler type to rise to power. Not sure Trump truly has the personality for it. But the large supporter base for him does show that the US is ripe for the rise of a new Hitler.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

Unbelievable.

There is no doubt in my mind that the US is ripe for a Hitler type to rise to power. Not sure Trump truly has the personality for it. But the large supporter base for him does show that the US is ripe for the rise of a new Hitler.

Ya

Her name is Hitlery

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,192]

SkyDekker

Unbelievable.

There is no doubt in my mind that the US is ripe for a Hitler type to rise to power. Not sure Trump truly has the personality for it. But the large supporter base for him does show that the US is ripe for the rise of a new Hitler.

Hitler rose in Germany during a time of great stress in that nation. Although the white middle class in America is under some stress, and feeling somewhat threatened by the ongoing change in the country's demographics, America is still by far the most economically powerful country on Earth. There are small counties with higher per capita incomes, but the average American is filthy rich by world standards.

The division of powers in the USA makes Hitler type figures highly unlikely, even if one is elected. This "Trump Crisis" will soon blow over like a reality TV show that has run it's course. It's entertaining to watch, but not of real consequence. Even in the still possible event that he becomes president, the damage will be contained by the system of checks and balances. But he won't be elected barring major changes in the situation.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

gowlerk

***Unbelievable.

There is no doubt in my mind that the US is ripe for a Hitler type to rise to power. Not sure Trump truly has the personality for it. But the large supporter base for him does show that the US is ripe for the rise of a new Hitler.

Hitler rose in Germany during a time of great stress in that nation. Although the white middle class in America is under some stress, and feeling somewhat threatened by the ongoing change in the country's demographics, America is still by far the most economically powerful country on Earth. There are small counties with higher per capita incomes, but the average American is filthy rich by world standards.

The division of powers in the USA makes Hitler type figures highly unlikely, even if one is elected. This "Trump Crisis" will soon blow over like a reality TV show that has run it's course. It's entertaining to watch, but not of real consequence. Even in the still possible event that he becomes president, the damage will be contained by the system of checks and balances. But he won't be elected barring major changes in the situation.

I have heard this story since he announced. Not buying it at this point.

I think many people underestimate the hate and rage in many parts of US society.

[gowlerk 2,192]

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I think many people underestimate the hate and rage in many parts of US society.

I'm not making that underestimation, it is real and is there as you say "in many parts". However, not in the majority of America. The rage and bluster gets blown out of proportion and gets a lot of attention in the media.

Mostly America is full of regular ordinary people who are also shaking their heads in amazement about the Trump thing. He is pulling relatively large numbers of people to vote in GOP primary elections. His supporters are more motivated than other people. But in the end they are a minority. Just large enough to maybe wake up the Republican party.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,991]

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Hitler rose in Germany during a time of great stress in that nation. Although the white middle class in America is under some stress, and feeling somewhat threatened by the ongoing change in the country's demographics, America is still by far the most economically powerful country on Earth. There are small counties with higher per capita incomes, but the average American is filthy rich by world standards.

Americans don't care about how they are living compared to the rest of the world. They compare themselves to Bill Gates, George Soros, Warren Buffet, Al Gore, the Koch brothers etc. (Compare the number of comparisons to them in the popular press vs. comparisons to sub-Saharans.)

Bill Booth once described a "homeostasis of risk" that takes place in skydiving. In politics we have a homeostasis of misery and anger. The father of a family of five, all healthy and living in a good house with a safe supply of food and clothing, might declare that he is living in a third world hellhole because he has to pay more for power than he did the year before, and decide he has no freedom because he has to wait a week to buy a handgun. He might decide that since a local politician is making more than he is, the system is brutally unfair and he is forced to live in relative poverty.

Other people might say "that's absurd! He's living better, and is more free, than 99% of the people on the planet." But he doesn't see that. All he sees is that local politician. And he adjusts his own levels of misery and anger until they rise to the level he is comfortable with.

Trump has found a way to tap into that anger, in part by portraying simple solutions (i.e. "cut taxes and increase benefits" "just build a wall" "keep the Muslims out") and then telling people other politicians just don't want to do that. He regularly builds up that anger and misery within his rallies; he even expresses support for violence that happens within those rallies, and laments that his followers can no longer use violence against people who disagree with him.

So saying "there's no comparison between what happened to Germany under the Treaty of Versailles and today!" is objectively true - but subjectively similar forces are at work.

[jakee 1,489]

I don't think Trump is a Fascist or a Nazi (in fact I don't think he has any politics whatsoever, apart from a certain amount of jingoism) but he mimics the rhetoric and the demagogical style of the National Socialists so closely it's not even funny anymore.

You could make a film of one of his campaign rallies and call it "Trump of the will"

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[gowlerk 2,192]

What you say is all true. People do judge their own wealth by what they see around them and not what they read about. I think it takes a higher level of discomfort that the current one to rile them up enough to revolt. Voting for Trump is an easy way to show displeasure. You don't have to actually risk being shot in a street revolution.

I think the roots of this nonsense go straight to the Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck sort of outrage as entertainment media shows. They built the audience for these ideas, and for the "no compromise" right wing extremism that answers any objections or counter arguments with ridicule.

Ridicule is what Trump is so effective at using against anyone who opposes him. And it works with this audience that has been conditioned to accept it. But the size of that constituency is limited. It is my opinion that it is not large enough to sweep him to power. If I am wrong, it will be "interesting times" indeed.

It sure is fun to watch the people who thought they were the leaders of the right squirm. I'm thinking that at least some of the people voting for trump in the primaries are actually doing it for that enjoyment, and will vote against him in the general election. If I were American, I think I would.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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billvon

Trump has found a way to tap into that anger, in part by portraying simple solutions (i.e. "cut taxes and increase benefits" "just build a wall" "keep the Muslims out") and then telling people other politicians just don't want to do that. He regularly builds up that anger and misery within his rallies; he even expresses support for violence that happens within those rallies, and laments that his followers can no longer use violence against people who disagree with him..

Hillary/Bernie has found a way to tap into that anger, in part by portraying simple solutions (i.e. "free education, free healthcare, taxes that 'even the field', all cops are bad, take away guns ") and then telling people other politicians just don't want to do that. Hillary/Bernie regularly builds up that anger and misery within his rallies; he even expresses support for violence that happens within those rallies, and laments that his followers can no longer use violence against people who disagree with with their noble causes .

It's funny, because that whole paragraph has always been the playbook for the Dems. I've noticed in the last couple decades, though, that it's the playbook for both sides, just that Dems are so successful at it.

My point is this is regularly used by both parties - demonize the other guys (or any group that is disfavored) or generate hate or envy somehow - emotionally spin up your followers - cash in politically.

The obtuseness of Trump's mean spirited speech is to many of us demonstrates pretty much just the blatant similarity to the obtuseness of the Dems for so long (how different is his blanket statements any better or worse that the blanket statement that anyone that is against Hillary is just sexism - oversimplifies, mean spirited, demeans the other). I wonder if a ton of the backlash could just be used to show each other how hateful simplification and strawmen and vicious caricatures of each other really does tear the nation apart.

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gowlerk

Ridicule is what Trump is so effective at using against anyone who opposes him. And it works with this audience that has been conditioned to accept it.

any politician - both sides

My gosh, I hope you guys see the applicability of your statements to pretty much any poster here that is strongly partisan.....

(mean spirited ridicule is pretty much the ONLY response a handful of people here even have - they don't even try discussion at all. As for the political front runners, just listen to the speeches, they are spoon feeding that crap to their followers in every single speech - it's the lion's share of the content)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[gowlerk 2,192]

rehmwa

***Ridicule is what Trump is so effective at using against anyone who opposes him. And it works with this audience that has been conditioned to accept it.

any politician - both sides

My gosh, I hope you guys see the applicability of your statements to pretty much any poster here that is strongly partisan.....

(mean spirited ridicule is pretty much the ONLY response a handful of people here even have - they don't even try discussion at all. As for the political front runners, just listen to the speeches, they are spoon feeding that crap to their followers in every single speech - it's the lion's share of the content)


But the right has built an entertainment empire around it. People on the left have attempted to counter the Rush, and Fox news propaganda machine with similar but opposed organizations. But they have failed. The left just does not tend to think that way.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[jakee 1,489]

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Hillary/Bernie regularly builds up that anger and misery within his rallies; he even expresses support for violence that happens within those rallies, and laments that his followers can no longer use violence against people who disagree with with their noble causes .

Really? I would be quite interested in seeing those rallies, or reading the transcripts.

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how different is his blanket statements any better or worse that the blanket statement that anyone that is against Hillary is just sexism

Did rushmc hijack your account? Because the partisan logic, lack of grammar and complete untruths sound a lot like one of his posts.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 2,991]

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Hillary/Bernie regularly builds up that anger and misery within his rallies; he even expresses support for violence that happens within those rallies, and laments that his followers can no longer use violence against people who disagree with with their noble causes .

Here's what Trump said about the recent case of a protester being beaten at one of his rallies:

"Maybe he should have been roughed up. It was disgusting what he was doing."

Can you give an example of Clinton or Sanders saying something similar?

I usually am in agreement with your "they are all basically the same" approach. This time that isn't true.

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billvon

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Hillary/Bernie regularly builds up that anger and misery within his rallies; he even expresses support for violence that happens within those rallies, and laments that his followers can no longer use violence against people who disagree with with their noble causes .

Here's what Trump said about the recent case of a protester being beaten at one of his rallies:

"Maybe he should have been roughed up. It was disgusting what he was doing."

Can you give an example of Clinton or Sanders saying something similar?

I usually am in agreement with your "they are all basically the same" approach. This time that isn't true.

Saying? No
But it well known that Hillary's actions were meant to destroy the lives of the women whom Bill molested who came forward with their stories.

Btw, I saw the tape where Trump said that. Did you? Not just the sound bite

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,991]

>Saying? No

Thank you for admitting that you can't find any case of them saying something similar.

>But it well known that Hillary's actions were meant to destroy the lives of the
>women whom Bill molested who came forward with their stories.

And Trump set out to destroy the lives of everyone who disagrees with him.

Timothy O'Brien - $5 billion lawsuit for writing bad things about Trump
Sheena Monnin - $5 million lawsuit for criticizing the Miss USA contest (just because the finalists were chosen before the competition!)
Bill Maher - $5 million lawsuit for demanding his birth certificate

But that's beside the point. The question was - does Sanders or Clinton support the same sort of violence that Trump does? Answer which you supplied - no.

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gowlerk

I'm not making that underestimation, it is real and is there as you say "in many parts". However, not in the majority of America.

But there's the rub.

The president isn't elected by the majority of America. Potentially, it's less than twenty two percent of the voting population.

Skip to 4:17 for the example...

[kallend 2,027]

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I'm not making that underestimation, it is real and is there as you say "in many parts". However, not in the majority of America.

But there's the rub.

The president isn't elected by the majority of America. Potentially, it's less than twenty two percent of the voting population.

Skip to 4:17 for the example...

The president is elected by the Electoral College, not by the people. It was designed that way because the founding fathers didn't trust the people average white men to vote the way the elite white men wanted them to. They didn't even conceal that fact.

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[gowlerk 2,192]

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The president is elected by the Electoral College, not by the people. It was designed that way because the founding fathers didn't trust the people average white men to vote the way the elite white men wanted them to. They didn't even conceal that fact.

I guess democracy was kind of a risky experiment when it was designed in that way. If it matters a lot to the people today, there is an amending formula to change it.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.