Gun VIOLENCE control

[Bolas 5]

wmw999

How exactly do you think the issue of "13% causing 52%" should be addressed? Maybe we should only patrol some minority neighborhoods? Or maybe just double down on them?

What about rich minorities -- do they get the same scrutiny?

Wendy P.

If a neighborhood has a statiscally higher murder rate than other neighborhoods why should the DNA makeup of the neighborhood be a factor in deciding if they deserve a resolution?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Boomerdog 0]

WellIf you're going to start a thread like this and I truly applaud your courage (even though I disagree with you 99/100 times), take it a step further and engage. No staying above it all waiting for someone to come in with something so you can pounce.

[kallend 2,106]

Boomerdog

WellIf you're going to start a thread like this and I truly applaud your courage (even though I disagree with you 99/100 times), take it a step further and engage. No staying above it all waiting for someone to come in with something so you can pounce.

1. Encourage, not ban, research.

2. Depends on outcome of #1

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rhaig 0]

I don't recall hearing your thoughts on the meta-study (study of studies) the CDC published in 2013. Depending on whose summary I've read it was either useless or shows that defensive gun uses are effective and numerous enough that they outweigh current levels of gun violence.

That and the extremely little press attention the study received leads me to lend more weight to the summaries saying that this study isn't what the administration wanted when they asked for it.

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Rob

[Coreeece 2]

wmw999

How exactly do you think the issue of "13% causing 52%" should be addressed? Maybe we should only patrol some minority neighborhoods? Or maybe just double down on them?

What about rich minorities -- do they get the same scrutiny?

Wendy P.

The majority of arrests typically come from areas where there are a large number of cops. Large numbers of cops are typically found where there is a large number of crimes. Large numbers of crime are typically found in large cities. Large cities typically have densely populated areas. Those areas are typically densely populated with minorities. Those minorities are typically black.

This however does not mean that black people have more of a propensity toward crime, nor does it mean that the cops are racist. It's just simple mathematics.

Using recent Billvonian logic, I say we kill off 13% of minorities in large cities...

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[rushmc 23]

kallend

***WellIf you're going to start a thread like this and I truly applaud your courage (even though I disagree with you 99/100 times), take it a step further and engage. No staying above it all waiting for someone to come in with something so you can pounce.

1. Encourage, not ban, research.

2. Depends on outcome of #1

I am ok with research
John Lott did a great job yet you dismiss him and you will again
I am against research by political groups as they will have a pointed agenda
Groups from both sides

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Something is still festering underneath.

Why is it that Americans are so much more violent and murderous than their closest cousins the Canadians?

We watch the same movies, listen to the same music, play the same video games. Our societies are pretty similar, yet we tend to go on less murderous rampages. We don't have the death penalty and our prison sentences are smaller and prisons easier to be in.

Is it really only the weather?

Lastly, how can a gun stop violence, but never lead to violence?

[turtlespeed 226]

SkyDekker

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Something is still festering underneath.

Why is it that Americans are so much more violent and murderous than their closest cousins the Canadians?

We watch the same movies, listen to the same music, play the same video games. Our societies are pretty similar, yet we tend to go on less murderous rampages. We don't have the death penalty and our prison sentences are smaller and prisons easier to be in.

Is it really only the weather?

Lastly, how can a gun stop violence, but never lead to violence?

It's too cold to move around as much. You have a heavy dose of French in your culture, so you seem to be more submissive, eh? You may bluster a lot, and do a lot of fist shaking, but ultimately, y'all just roll over like a big ok basset hound wanting his tummy scratched.

Question. Have you ever looked at your racial census?
Do you think there may be a connection somewhere in that?
Just asking.

Lastly, Guns don't do anything, they do what they are "told" to do. They are inanimate objects. It takes a dog to pull the trigger.

But not basset hounds, they just want their belly rubbed.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Question. Have you ever looked at your racial census?

Almost 50% of the population of Toronto is foreign born. Let's compare that to Chicago with just over 20% foreign born. Chicago and Toronto have relatively similar climates.

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Lastly, Guns don't do anything, they do what they are "told" to do.

So showing a gun in a potentially violent situation has never led to the situation ending peacefully?

[turtlespeed 226]

SkyDekker

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Question. Have you ever looked at your racial census?

Almost 50% of the population of Toronto is foreign born. Let's compare that to Chicago with just over 20% foreign born. Chicago and Toronto have relatively similar climates.

***Lastly, Guns don't do anything, they do what they are "told" to do.

So showing a gun in a potentially violent situation has never led to the situation ending peacefully?

Sure, that was the gun doing what it was told to do.

I said racial census, not nationality census.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[cvfd1399 0]

He dodged that question like a rodeo clown dodging a bull.

[turtlespeed 226]

cvfd1399

He dodged that question like a rodeo clown dodging a bull.

Yep.

Here is a little help.
Canada by city

just one American city about the same size as montreal

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Sure, that was the gun doing what it was told to do.

So the object itself had noting to do with it?

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I said racial census, not nationality census

You seem to try to want to make a point here. What is the point? Toronto is one of the most multi-ethnic cities in the world.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

turtlespeed

***He dodged that question like a rodeo clown dodging a bull.

Yep.

Here is a little help.
Canada by city

just one American city about the same size as montreal

Those all link to ethnic breakdowns. Ethnicity and race are not the same thing.

Again, what exactly is your point here? Toronto is one of the most multi-ethnic cities in the world. More multi-ethnic than Chicago or probably any other major US city. Are you suggesting that dominance of one race is an issue, or dominance of an ethnicity? (I ask since you appear to be constantly confusing the two)

[rushmc 23]

44 back ground checks every minute in 2015!

And yet the rate of guns causing violence has not gone up!

Imagine that........

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/4/background-checks-gun-sales-record-high-2015/

So a total of 23,141,970 checks in 2015 were conducted

I wonder what percentage of these checks resulted in guns purchased, and also guns NOT sold?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

I found this further down in the article

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Since 1998, the FBI has conducted more than 225 million background checks on potential firearms purchasers through the system leading to close to 1.3 million denials, most often for issues relating to a person’s criminal history.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

I found this further down in the article

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Since 1998, the FBI has conducted more than 225 million background checks on potential firearms purchasers through the system leading to close to 1.3 million denials, most often for issues relating to a person’s criminal history.

That's great, do you have a point? Or are you just indicating you were able to copy and paste a section from the article?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

***I found this further down in the article

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Since 1998, the FBI has conducted more than 225 million background checks on potential firearms purchasers through the system leading to close to 1.3 million denials, most often for issues relating to a person’s criminal history.

That's great, do you have a point? Or are you just indicating you were able to copy and paste a section from the article?

Gun violence has note increased even with more guns purchased
So
this indicates guns are not the issue

It certainly can NOT be said that more guns increase gun violence

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Gun violence has note increased even with more guns purchased
So
this indicates guns are not the issue

Your logic is off.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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Gun violence has note increased even with more guns purchased
So
this indicates guns are not the issue

Your logic is off.

So you can say more guns purchased has increased gun violence?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

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Gun violence has note increased even with more guns purchased
So
this indicates guns are not the issue

Your logic is off.

So you can say more guns purchased has increased gun violence?

The fact that this is your follow up questions further illustrates that your logic is off.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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Gun violence has note increased even with more guns purchased
So
this indicates guns are not the issue

Your logic is off.

So you can say more guns purchased has increased gun violence?

The fact that this is your follow up questions further illustrates that your logic is off.

It seems to me you do not understand what the word logic means.

If you got a point, spit it out. Otherwise I will consider yours posts as trolling

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 851]

You triple downed on that one.
Impressive.
Start with a troll comment, get challenged on the lack of logic, confirm said lack of logic, re-question the question with less logic, then call the other poster a troll.
The leaps you take in your logical attempts are sometimes nowhere near the logic you attempt to apply.

His point was that you don't understand logic.
You confirmed it.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Lets say you have a dog at home and during the year 3 times you come home to a single chewed up shoe. The next year you decide your dog would like some company and you add a second dog to the household. That year only twice do you come home to a single chewed up shoe.

Would you still maintain that dogs are not an issue with regards to the chewed up shoes?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

Lets say you have a dog at home and during the year your dog chews up 3 of your shoes. The next year you decide your dog would like some company and you add a second dog to the household. That year your dogs eat a combined total of 2 shoes.

Would you still maintain that dogs are not an issue with regards to the chewed up shoes?

It is not an issue of a dog
It is an issue of adding a dog
Adding the dog did not increase chewed shoes
But since 2 shoes did get chewed up are you going to claim that more dogs equal more chewed shoes?


In any event, a dog is an animal that acts by itself
You analogy is screwed up
Kind of like your logic comment


Ever seen a gun chew up a shoe?
Ever see a gun shoot all by itself?

Come on dude
You can do better

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln