Interesting reads...........ABOUT POLICE SHOOTINGS......

[skycop 0]

http://nypost.com/2016/01/02/myth-of-the-cop-killing-epidemic/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[cvfd1399 0]

That truth already been shown to them in the past years. The circlejerkers here did not listen to facts, and kept on with the blind ignorance and consumption of their choice media pumping them up to believe cops are the anti christ.
This forum is almost over. Even the old regulars are leaving.

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skycop

http://nypost.com/2016/01/02/myth-of-the-cop-killing-epidemic/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

And what makes them interesting? Or do I have to click on any link to find out what is meant? I do believe there is forum rules against that. If you are going to drop a link at least explain it's relevancy.

Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

[normiss 851]

The accurate numbers are next to impossible to come by, much less verify or justify.
Even the DOJ and FBI agree
I don't expect you to agree, but I think a good number of people would trust their perspective over the loose numbers we have to play with now.

[cvfd1399 0]

What about the independent third party research done through official, and unofficial channels including web based media searches. This reporter(iirc)did an investigation and went for an entire year searching for any shootings reports by police and media. They investigated the shootings, and found the same thing that the OP linked. Search for it here or simply Google it.

How many times do you need to be shown something before you think hey it might not be officially reported but we have logically concluded on our own something is a particular way and true instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming lalalalalalalalalalal

[skycop 0]

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The accurate numbers are next to impossible to come by, much less verify or justify

Read the synopsis of each shooting in the WP link, it provides a glimpse into the hard realities of modern American policing.
I can attest to the accuracy, one of the WP synopsis involves a long time friend.

But please, cherry-pick the controversial ones, they are easy to find, because there are so few.

It puts the media hype a bit into perspective, but the keyboard warriors here don't need perspective.............

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 851]

Interesting, you posted media hype, I posted a link with Federal numbers and perspective, yet I'm the cherry picker?
I try to put some decent amount of effort to look for information and data away from the media hype.
Ah SC, again. Always attacked, no matter what opinion, perspective, or sources one has.
Much like I expected I suppose.

You might be surprised that you used a "liberal" source yourself, WP

Accepting "numbers" from within the organizations themselves is repeatedly proving to be a large part of the problem.
Thankfully that is being recognized and the right groups are starting to look into ways to address it.
Those ways are likely to be a long ways away from what you or I consider the right approach.

[skycop 0]

Attacked?..............If this is an attack, you may want to go find a safe space.

These things don't occur in a vacuum, there is context and perspective. Is there room for improvement? Why yes there is, and there always will be.

As I've said ad nauseam, police shootings are subject to numerous layers of review (and rightfully so), agencies, the legal system, the media, the public and finally, but least importantly, the internet expert(s).

The WP link is exhaustively researched and surprisingly objective, minus the end racial component. But it's solid work, and sheds light on the challenges LEO's face daily. And that is not a liberal, conservative, or racial thing. It's the harsh reality of American life very few see.

For every shooting listed, there are many incidents that could have ended that way but didn't
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I have just a very few friends that have used deadly force. But almost all of us who have been in this game for a while, could have used it (fully justified) but didn't.
Myself included.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 851]

I didn't say this was an attack, just typical of SC.

I really don't think you and I are very far off, just different sides of the lens maybe.

Police shootings should be neutrally reviewed as you said, and more. Too many are still "investigated" by a biased side with self preservation in mind. Most are clearly justified, I get that.
We can and should do better. All citizens and humans for that matter deserve it.

I'm thankful it has risen to surface of public observation and scrutiny, aren't you? Too many are still killed unnecessarily and wrongly, hell on both sides for than matter. A golden ticket simply because your a cop shouldn't exist though. I'd like to think it doesn't but.....it does.

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cvfd1399

That truth already been shown to them in the past years. The circlejerkers here did not listen to facts, and kept on with the blind ignorance and consumption of their choice media pumping them up to believe cops are the anti christ.

Funny thing, if you filter the results by 'deadly weapon' the second result you get is this one -

Siolosega Velega-Nuufolau, a 50-year-old woman armed with a knife, was shot on Dec. 29, 2015, in Santa Nella, Calif. Velega-Nuufolau stood in a neighbor's driveway screaming for someone to call 911. When a Merced County sheriff's deputy arrived, she threatened him with a knife. Police said she was a veteran and had mental health problems.

It's not only shootings of unarmed suspects that are a potential problem (and that number doesn't count those armed with toys either), unwarranted shootings are only the tip of the brutality iceberg and in any case, when department wide coverups are involved it only takes one case to demonstrate major institutional failings.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[tkhayes 348]

cvfd1399

That truth already been shown to them in the past years. The circlejerkers here did not listen to facts, and kept on with the blind ignorance and consumption of their choice media pumping them up to believe cops are the anti christ.
This forum is almost over. Even the old regulars are leaving.

And I hope we do continue to investigate with fervor the cops that shoot unarmed innocent people. And we go after them with the intensity that should be taken into account when someone is shot dead by someone who is being paid to protect society.

Just like we still put drivers through a legal system when they kill someone with their cars....even though we do not go after all drivers like they are 'the antichrist' as you say.

go ahead and defend your cops. I will be asking for swift justice for the bad ones. And even the 'good ones' that happen to shoot innocent people in shady and suspicious circumstances..

[kallend 2,106]

skycop

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The accurate numbers are next to impossible to come by, much less verify or justify

Read the synopsis of each shooting in the WP link, it provides a glimpse into the hard realities of modern American policing.
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Lots of jobs are hard and risky. Apparently police work comes in at #15 on the list.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/28/charted-the-20-deadliest-jobs-in-america/

However, I don't think there is much evidence of cover-ups and abuse of authority in the other risky jobs as there seems to be among cops.

The fact that 95% + of cops are honest and decent doesn't excuse the culture of denial that seems to surround the misbehavior of the bad apples.

US cops kill civilians at a rate that far exceeds that in any other western democracy.

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[jgoose71 0]

I know there are a couple of Police Officers here on this forum.

How do you guys feel about making a "Police Ride Along for a day" a mandatory part of High School in high crime areas?

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normiss

The accurate numbers are next to impossible to come by, much less verify or justify.
Even the DOJ and FBI agree
I don't expect you to agree, but I think a good number of people would trust their perspective over the loose numbers we have to play with now.

Neither are climate models as accurate, yet so many here have chosen a side. . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[skycop 0]

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Lots of jobs are hard and risky. Apparently police work comes in at #15 on the list.

Says the guy pounding on his keyboard, please tell this to the families of the THREE police officers whose funerals I went to this year. Also explain that to my friend who got shot.....

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However, I don't think there is much evidence of cover-ups and abuse of authority in the other risky jobs as there seems to be among cops.

Hmmkkk.............?????????

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The fact that 95% + of cops are honest and decent doesn't excuse the culture of denial that seems to surround the misbehavior of the bad apples.

It's more like 99%, also medical malpractice kills tens of thousands yearly. Yet I don't see you pounding your keyboard condemning doctors and other medical professionals.

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US cops kill civilians at a rate that far exceeds that in any other western democracy.

We also live in the most heavily armed western democracy. I thought smart professors like you understand cause and effect...............

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[kallend 2,106]

skycop

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Lots of jobs are hard and risky. Apparently police work comes in at #15 on the list.

Says the guy pounding on his keyboard, please tell this to the families of the THREE police officers whose funerals I went to this year. Also explain that to my friend who got shot.....

Some 30,000 Americans get shot dead each year, with many more times that number shot and injured. Cops don't have a monopoly. Fishermen are far more likely to die on the job than cops. I've yet to hear of that being an excuse for bad behavior by fishermen.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

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Lots of jobs are hard and risky. Apparently police work comes in at #15 on the list.

Says the guy pounding on his keyboard, please tell this to the families of the THREE police officers whose funerals I went to this year. Also explain that to my friend who got shot.....

Some 30,000 Americans get shot dead each year, with many more times that number shot and injured. Cops don't have a monopoly. Fishermen are far more likely to die on the job than cops. I've yet to hear of that being an excuse for bad behavior by fishermen.

I suppose that depends on whom you talk to.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[skycop 0]

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Fishermen are far more likely to die on the job than cops. I've yet to hear of that being an excuse for bad behavior by fishermen.

I bet you would if the fish jumped out of the water, starting fighting, attacking, and shooting at the fishermen just to name a few things.

I rest my case, please stick to teaching kids who don't know any better...........

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[kallend 2,106]

skycop

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Fishermen are far more likely to die on the job than cops. I've yet to hear of that being an excuse for bad behavior by fishermen.

I bet you would if the fish jumped out of the water, starting fighting, attacking, and shooting at the fishermen just to name a few things.

I rest my case, please stick to teaching kids who don't know any better...........

Cops are only #15 on the list of risky jobs, yet seem to be the ONLY ones using risk as an excuse for bad behavior.

PS I was a cop in England until 1977, so f**k off with the snide comments. (And we were expected to keep the peace without carrying guns).

THIS illustrates the problem nicely, for which you just make excuses.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[cvfd1399 0]

kallend

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Fishermen are far more likely to die on the job than cops. I've yet to hear of that being an excuse for bad behavior by fishermen.

I bet you would if the fish jumped out of the water, starting fighting, attacking, and shooting at the fishermen just to name a few things.

I rest my case, please stick to teaching kids who don't know any better...........

Cops are only #15 on the list of risky jobs, yet seem to be the ONLY ones using risk as an excuse for bad behavior.

PS I was a cop in England until 1977, so f**k off with the snide comments. (And we were expected to keep the peace without carrying guns).

Well that escalated quickly. If you were in California someone could potentially have all your guns taken away for an outburst like that.

[kallend 2,106]

cvfd1399

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Fishermen are far more likely to die on the job than cops. I've yet to hear of that being an excuse for bad behavior by fishermen.

I bet you would if the fish jumped out of the water, starting fighting, attacking, and shooting at the fishermen just to name a few things.

I rest my case, please stick to teaching kids who don't know any better...........

Cops are only #15 on the list of risky jobs, yet seem to be the ONLY ones using risk as an excuse for bad behavior.

PS I was a cop in England until 1977, so f**k off with the snide comments. (And we were expected to keep the peace without carrying guns).

Well that escalated quickly. If you were in California someone could potentially have all your guns taken away for an outburst like that.

They'd have a hard time taking my guns.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[cvfd1399 0]

Either you do not own any, or you are one of the "out of my cold dead hands type".

[skycop 0]

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PS I was a cop in England until 1977, so f**k off with the snide comments.

Ah yes,
What's wrong doc? I'm not one of your captive audience so I'm not going to cower at your perceived superior intellect.

Dropping the f-bomb only shows your lack of depth and the regurgitation of your talking points is quite tiresome.

Stick to physics or whatever it is you teach............

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 851]

Maybe, like a lot of citizens in the US, he's simply fed up with the "F you, you don't understand the cop life" attitude and response from ,oh, the 99% that are good cops defending the 1% that are violent criminals and murders?
It's dishonest to continue that attitude in the face of reality and it further alienates the populace.
By all means, continue it.

[Coreeece 2]

kallend

PS I was a cop in England until 1977, so f**k off with the snide comments. (And we were expected to keep the peace without carrying guns)

Lol, I'd love to see how your civil English etiquette wold fair against west side Chicago gangs - something from Monty Python I reckon.

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