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tkhayes

wow - we agree on something....
And the reason that companies do all these things is because the law allows them to do it. It requires at least some level of regulation and oversight

Ok - but just to be fair, we have to recognize that it was because of regulations that minimum wage workers are getting screwed - not all regulation is good regulation. Unemployment insurance is supposed to help workers, but in this instance it only helps the middle class at the expense of the lower class.

Also, 35+ hours basically make you a full-time employee and some state regulations require businesses to provide certain benefits to full-time workers - so once again, more people working less hours so that businesses can avoid the added cost of that particular regulation.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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JerryBaumchen

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wow - we agree on something....

Plus 1; amazing.

Great, now I'm gonna have to go back and rethink my position.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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billvon

> But I could dream of being a opera singer, and work my ass off to make it
>happen. It won't. That is why I am a millwright. I can make a decent living of it.

Yep. But someone born in sub-Saharan Africa does not have that option. The best they may be able to achieve with their skills is not starving and dying at age 50 of natural causes. That's not because they are lazy takers - it's because a great many people don't have the opportunities that you have had.

Likewise someone born with an IQ of 80. Or someone with no arms. Might they be successful at something else? Maybe - but often not, because working hard does not mean that anyone will value that hard work.

>I am a high school dropout making a 6 figure salary. That didn't happen cause I
> stood back saying I deserve more. It happened cause I stepped up and
>showed my bosses how much I can do, and how much money I can save them
>by me being able to do repairs they never even imagined rather then buying
>new equipment.

That's great. And you had school given to you, as well as enough intelligence to figure out how to solve other people's problems. Not everyone has that.

Since when and HOW did we start talking about Africa? Move the goal posts much?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

***>What is rediculously hard? Showing up and doing the job you are being paid to
>do for 8 hours 5 days a week? The job you agreed to do?

No. Showing up and working 16 hours a day, while getting paid for 8, 7 days a week while being paid for 5 would qualify (to me) as ridiculously hard.

Well, then - working rediculously hard seems to be working for me.

if it can work for me - It can work for everyone else that doesn't have a silver spoon in their mouth.

I think you set the goal posts here, or does "everyone else" not actually include "everyone else"?

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StreetScooby

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amazing how data works.....

Are you saying that drop in unemployment is due to people getting $15/hour jobs?

No, I am saying that the increase in wage had no negative effect on the unemployment rate.

How about this common sense tidbit, my 'opinion' with absolutely NO DATA to support it, but sounds reasonable:
"Things in the economy are generally better these days, certainly better than they were 8 years ago - more corporate earnings, more people working, more people spending - that is a fact. So maybe we can splurge a little more. 'Splurging" could also mean asking companies (through regulation) to pay their employees a little more - hence a minimum wage increase might be a good idea - or certainly do no harm"

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But 30 years ago I had been working 2 full time jobs with mandatory overtime for 4 years to build my resume and wealth.

Wonderful story about walking uphill into the wind both ways.

Now look at what you made during those years compared to what things cost. You will find that your purchasing power has reduced significantly in comparison to somebody doing the same thing now.

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tkhayes

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amazing how data works.....

Are you saying that drop in unemployment is due to people getting $15/hour jobs?

No, I am saying that the increase in wage had no negative effect on the unemployment rate.

How about this common sense tidbit, my 'opinion' with absolutely NO DATA to support it, but sounds reasonable:
"Things in the economy are generally better these days, certainly better than they were 8 years ago - more corporate earnings, more people working, more people spending - that is a fact. So maybe we can splurge a little more. 'Splurging" could also mean asking companies (through regulation) to pay their employees a little more - hence a minimum wage increase might be a good idea - or certainly do no harm"

Your wrong about that. Many many if not the majority of corporations are hurting big time right now.

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brenthutch

“If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as a Michaelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, 'Here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well.”

My second favorite Republican, MLK

Except a street sweeper wouldn't be able to do that if he had to work three more jobs to just be able to survive.

Nobody will ever be the best they can be if their main worry is where their next meal will come from and if they will have a roof over their head the next day.

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turtlespeed

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Nothing says you are entitled to a living wage working a minimum wage job 40 hours a week.

Only basic human decency.

The more you hand out - the more takers take.

If you give a mouse a cookie . . .

Wow. You think that paying your full time employees enough money for them to live on is a 'handout' and you compare poor people with rodents.

You really do make it very difficult to tell the difference between a conservative and a sociopath.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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>Since when and HOW did we start talking about Africa?

Two pages ago. Did you miss it?

"But the fact is, the majority of the time - if you are willing to above and beyond what is considered average - you will succeed in what you are trying to do."

"Not for most people, and not most of the time."

People. Not Americans, not skydivers. People. And Africans are people.

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>>No, some people really can't.

>Yes, we can agree on that. My take/estimate on that is in the single digit
>percentage.

I find it to be closer to 10%. Remember, the average IQ is 100 - which means that half the population is below that. 16% of the population has an IQ below 85; that's the point below which you are not smart enough (for example) to be in the US military, and is indicative of someone who generally cannot make it through high school because of their low intelligence.

Can someone who can't join the military and can't even make it through high school succeed? Sure, a few can; a hockey goalie may not need a 90+ IQ if they have the talent to play well. But at that point the deck is VERY heavily stacked against you.

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billvon

>Since when and HOW did we start talking about Africa?

Two pages ago. Did you miss it?

"But the fact is, the majority of the time - if you are willing to above and beyond what is considered average - you will succeed in what you are trying to do."

"Not for most people, and not most of the time."

People. Not Americans, not skydivers. People. And Africans are people.

I guess I did.

My intentions lead toward, and were in regards to the American Dream (But you knew that) - unless you are going to be mandating a minimum wage in Africa enforceable by US American politics.

So my statements still stand.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Your wrong about that. Many many if not the majority of corporations are hurting big time right now.

You're wrong about that. Many many if not the majority of corporations are doing fine right now.

Consumer confidence is up (look it up)
Corporate/Business confidence is about the same since 2010 (no negative effects, look it up)
GDP is up
Stocks are up
unemployment is down

Yes, it is not perfect, no it will never be perfect, no there is no solution of implementation of anything that will result in 100% success for everyone all the time, and to restate my case, there is NO negative impact on the overall economy, or the vast majority of Americans by raising the minimum wage and it would lift millions out of poverty.

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jakee

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Nothing says you are entitled to a living wage working a minimum wage job 40 hours a week.

Only basic human decency.

The more you hand out - the more takers take.

If you give a mouse a cookie . . .

Wow. You think that paying your full time employees enough money for them to live on is a 'handout' and you compare poor people with rodents.

You really do make it very difficult to tell the difference between a conservative and a sociopath.


awesome - well done - standing ovation. And a fundamental part of what is wrong with society today, a disconnect from humanity ...

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jakee

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Nothing says you are entitled to a living wage working a minimum wage job 40 hours a week.

Only basic human decency.

The more you hand out - the more takers take.

If you give a mouse a cookie . . .

Wow. You think that paying your full time employees enough money for them to live on is a 'handout' and you compare poor people with rodents.

You really do make it very difficult to tell the difference between a conservative and a sociopath.

Wow. You really need to define what it takes to live. Just how many people NEED a big screen TV?

Poor people with rodents . . . That's rich.
I can't believe how valiantly you are being aloof about the reference.
But just for you:
If you give a mouse a cookie

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Wow. You really need to define what it takes to live.

How about enough that you don't need your employer to teach how how to use food stamps to make ends meet.

Who in the working economy do you think is getting handouts - the people being paid less money than ever before working at the bottom of the chain, or the people paying less than ever before for that work and profitting more than ever before from it?

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I can't believe how valiantly you are being aloof about the reference.

Aloof? Get your boss to hand you out a dictionary.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Wow. You really need to define what it takes to live. Just how many people NEED a big screen TV?

Living wage levels aren't enough to purchase big screen TVs and survive. That's not how they are calculated.

You are conflating two separate issues.

1. People who make enough, but spend poorly.
2. People who do not make enough to live.

On number 2, so far all of you have been doing is muttering...lazy....or you are lumping them into group 1.

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tkhayes

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Your wrong about that. Many many if not the majority of corporations are hurting big time right now.

You're wrong about that. Many many if not the majority of corporations are doing fine right now.

Consumer confidence is up (look it up)
Corporate/Business confidence is about the same since 2010 (no negative effects, look it up)
GDP is up
Stocks are up
unemployment is down

The ones that count are down.
Median household income....down
Median household income....down

We make less and we have less than we did 7 years ago.

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>Median household income....down

Median household income, Aug 2011 - $48,217
Median household income, Dec 2015 - $56,746

http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Median-Household-Income-Update

(next up - "There's no consensus that $48K is less than $56K!")

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billvon

>Median household income....down

Median household income, Aug 2011 - $48,217
Median household income, Dec 2015 - $56,746

http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Median-Household-Income-Update

(next up - "There's no consensus that $48K is less than $56K!")

2008 $57,211
Next up "There's no consensus that $56k is less than $57k.
BTW 2015 minus 7years equals 2008 not 2011.
Don't hate me, hate math.

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brenthutch

***>Median household income....down

Median household income, Aug 2011 - $48,217
Median household income, Dec 2015 - $56,746

http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Median-Household-Income-Update

(next up - "There's no consensus that $48K is less than $56K!")

2008 $57,211
Next up "There's no consensus that $56k is less than $57k.
BTW 2015 minus 7years equals 2008 not 2011.
Don't hate me, hate math.

You are correct, that a lot of different "results" can be selected from that link Bill provided.

2008 was before the collapse, and we are not yet back to that peak, but we are up considerably from the bottom of the recession. I say "we", but pretty much nobody where I work has had a raise at all in the past 3 years. Company isn't doing well, but it is from management decisions 8-10 years ago, not the economy.

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The ones that count are down.
Median household income....down
Median household income....down

We make less and we have less than we did 7 years ago.

And for the 47th time.....one of the parts/solutions is a minimum wage INCREASE......glad you agree that income is down and we can actually fix it through a MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE.

Yes

that is the fact

a minimum wage increase will help INCOME.....yes it will

it will help people make more money

the very thing that you are complaining about in your post is the very issue I am addressing in part with a MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE

hello?

hello?

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tkhayes

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The ones that count are down.
Median household income....down
Median household income....down

We make less and we have less than we did 7 years ago.

And for the 47th time.....one of the parts/solutions is a minimum wage INCREASE......glad you agree that income is down and we can actually fix it through a MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE.



Yes

that is the fact

a minimum wage increase will help INCOME.....yes it will

it will help people make more money

the very thing that you are complaining about in your post is the very issue I am addressing in part with a MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE

hello?

hello?

If it would eliminate poverty and boost the economy why didn't Obama do it in his first 100 days as President?

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If it would eliminate poverty and boost the economy why didn't Obama do it in his first 100 days as President?

I give up....why?

no one said it would eliminate poverty BTW. For the 48th, it will be a good thing and will have ZERO negative effect on the economy.

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If it is such a no brainier why didn't Obama do it?
It helps the working poor, it is good for business because people have more money to spend on their products and services, it helps the deficit by reducing the need for food stamps and such........ Why not do it?