Are you Americans crazy enough to put Donald Trump in office?

[turtlespeed 221]

14 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

I'm not Jerry, but I believe he's said that his son is an attorrney. 

So what? There are attorneys with a great deal of integrity. There are others that are absolute slimeballs. 

Kinda like politicians (many of whom are attorneys or have law degrees). 

What did you read into that question?

What narrative did you come up with in your head that made you jump and knee jerk into a defense of Jerry?

 

[billvon 2,998]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

What did you read into that question?

Jerry:  Not an iota of integrity among them.  Not that I would expect any.

Turtle: Are you a lawyer Jerry?

 

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,367]

4 hours ago, airdvr said:

Are you a lawyer Jerry?

Hi airdvr,

No, I'm a Mech Engr; 99.44% retired, but available.

As noted, my son is an attorney.  Which is a very nice perk.

Jerry Baumchen

[turtlespeed 221]

8 hours ago, billvon said:

Jerry:  Not an iota of integrity among them.  Not that I would expect any.

Turtle: Are you a lawyer Jerry?

 

 

Reading the words and the author might be helpful.

[kallend 2,027]

20 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Reading the words and the author might be helpful.

Read these words and author:

“We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.”
Gen. J. Mattis, former SecDef.

[turtlespeed 221]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

Read these words and author:

“We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.”
Gen. J. Mattis, former SecDef.

Yes, these words are not juvenile.

 

 

[jakee 1,500]

15 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

What did you read into that question?

What narrative did you come up with in your head that made you jump and knee jerk into a defense of Jerry?

The strange thing about this is that it often seems like most of what you post is based on wild overreadings of what you claim is the intent behind simple, factual headlines. Yet when it comes to a fellow right wing traveller you can't conceive that anyone could possibly use context to figure there might be an implied judgement about lawyers in what would otherwise be a random non-sequitur comment.

[JerryBaumchen 1,367]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

The strange thing about this is that it often seems like most of what you post is based on wild overreadings of what you claim is the intent behind simple, factual headlines. Yet when it comes to a fellow right wing traveller you can't conceive that anyone could possibly use context to figure there might be an implied judgement about lawyers in what would otherwise be a random non-sequitur comment.

Hi jakee,

And this is why so many people on here have put turtle on their Ignore list.

Jerry Baumchen

[nigel99 489]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi jakee,

And this is why so many people on here have put turtle on their Ignore list.

Jerry Baumchen

As soon as I’m back in my computer I’m joining you. Sadly the feature doesn’t appear to work on mobile.

it has been interesting to see the gradual slipping of the mask, empowered by the lord and master Trump, the racism and bigotry is being hidden less and less

[airdvr 210]

6 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

As soon as I’m back in my computer I’m joining you. Sadly the feature doesn’t appear to work on mobile.

it has been interesting to see the gradual slipping of the mask, empowered by the lord and master Trump, the racism and bigotry is being hidden less and less

That's a good idea...and the problem as well.  Today you can ignore the person or information that you find offensive and live in your own little echo chamber.

[nigel99 489]

12 minutes ago, airdvr said:

That's a good idea...and the problem as well.  Today you can ignore the person or information that you find offensive and live in your own little echo chamber.

There’s a difference between having your own echo chamber and being a masochist. I tend to read multiple news sources ranging from the BBC all the way through to Fox News. I’ve also got friends and family that are trump supporters and we have spirited debate. On here I’ve got you to represent the MAGA crowd, at least you’ve got the backbone to own your views, if nothing else I respect that.

The key difference with Turtle is that I can’t figure out if he’s got no backbone at all and so can’t own his beliefs or is simply an outright troll. 

Edited June 4, 2020 by nigel99

[JerryBaumchen 1,367]

5 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

The key difference with Turtle is that I can’t figure out if he’s got no backbone at all and so can’t own his beliefs or is simply an outright troll. 

Hi Nigel,

Oh, I bet you can.

Jerry Baumchen

[wmw999 2,452]

59 minutes ago, airdvr said:

That's a good idea...and the problem as well.  Today you can ignore the person or information that you find offensive and live in your own little echo chamber.

Nope. Once someone pushes your buttons enough, then it’s time to take a vacation from them. The nice thing about the DZ.com interface is that for every ignored post, you get a message and the opportunity to see it in context. 
I have an ignore list; Turtle isn’t on it, because he doesn’t push my buttons. Mine are the anti-mean-spirited ones, not the prattle ones. 
Wendy P. 

[billvon 2,998]

55 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

The key difference with Turtle is that I can’t figure out if he’s got no backbone at all and so can’t own his beliefs or is simply an outright troll. 

That is VERY close to a PA.  Saying "I can't figure out if he is (this insult) or (that insult)" is not OK.

 

[nigel99 489]

14 minutes ago, billvon said:

That is VERY close to a PA.  Saying "I can't figure out if he is (this insult) or (that insult)" is not OK.

 

Sorry, won’t happen again

[mistercwood 287]

3 hours ago, airdvr said:

That's a good idea...and the problem as well.  Today you can ignore the person or information that you find offensive and live in your own little echo chamber.

It's for this reason I am extremely hesitant to use block features on any platform, and usually reserve it for bots only.

There's only one poster on SC that I find adds literally nothing to the discussion here, and I don't even have him blocked.

[yoink 321]

49 minutes ago, mistercwood said:

It's for this reason I am extremely hesitant to use block features on any platform, and usually reserve it for bots only.

There's only one poster on SC that I find adds literally nothing to the discussion here, and I don't even have him blocked.

My litmus test is simple. If I already know what a poster will post before they post it then there’s no value in me reading their replies.

I literally wrote an rushmc script that would automatically create his posts from a standard set of replies.

Turtle’s is a little more complicated than that because he plays everything as a question that he can later deny while simultaneously claiming to be more neutral and less biased than anyone else, but it’s still within the realm of programmable responses. Hence the block.

I had Kallend blocked for a while because all he posted was anti-Trump one liners.

[ryoder 1,590]

4 hours ago, billvon said:

That is VERY close to a PA.  Saying "I can't figure out if he is (this insult) or (that insult)" is not OK.

 

I don't agree that calling someone a troll is a PA. Trolling is about taking a position purely to get a reaction from people. That position may not even be what the troll believes. It is just a game to them. To be a troll does not mean the person is unintelligent nor uneducated. It just means they enjoy an argument. In some schools, there are even debate clubs for such people.

[normiss 803]

14 minutes ago, ryoder said:

I don't agree that calling someone a troll is a PA. Trolling is about taking a position purely to get a reaction from people. That position may not even be what the troll believes. It is just a game to them. To be a troll does not mean the person is unintelligent nor uneducated. It just means they enjoy an argument. In some schools, there are even debate clubs for such people.

Hopefully your response stays.

[nigel99 489]

1 hour ago, ryoder said:

I don't agree that calling someone a troll is a PA. Trolling is about taking a position purely to get a reaction from people. That position may not even be what the troll believes. It is just a game to them. To be a troll does not mean the person is unintelligent nor uneducated. It just means they enjoy an argument. In some schools, there are even debate clubs for such people.

I accept the rebuke. As I posted I already thought it was close to the line, so I should have listened to my internal voice. 
Ive got my Laptop up, so the right thing to do is turn on ignore like many of you have. 

[normiss 803]

30 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

I accept the rebuke. As I posted I already thought it was close to the line, so I should have listened to my internal voice. 
Ive got my Laptop up, so the right thing to do is turn on ignore like many of you have. 

That is the best response. Apparently we need to keep the thoughts and considerations completely internal as to why.

Yet the trolls will continue to troll freely without similar consideration.

[gowlerk 2,206]

7 hours ago, airdvr said:

That's a good idea...and the problem as well.  Today you can ignore the person or information that you find offensive and live in your own little echo chamber.

That stopped me for awhile. But enough was enough eventually. I often disagree with you, and almost always with Ron, but I’ve never been tempted to add either of you to my ignore list.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

20 hours ago, airdvr said:

That's a good idea...and the problem as well.  Today you can ignore the person or information that you find offensive and live in your own little echo chamber.

Yes and no.

If it's the person who is offensive, that's one thing.

If it's the information (presuming the info is accurate), that's different.

For example, I find Rush Limbaugh highly offensive. His biases & prejudices are obvious to anyone who really looks. His information is often seriously lacking in accuracy.
I don't think that ignoring him would constitute the 'echo chamber'. 

12 hours ago, gowlerk said:

That stopped me for awhile. But enough was enough eventually. I often disagree with you, and almost always with Ron, but I’ve never been tempted to add either of you to my ignore list.

^This. I often disagree with Airdvr, Professor Kallend, even you (Gowlerk). 

But we can usually have conversations that actually exchange information. 

 

OTOH, there are a few on here that simply blast bullshit at full volume. They ignore any questions, refuse to engage in any way, and believe the most ridiculous 'facts', regardless of evidence to the contrary.

 

One good example was Rhys. He was completely convinced that the US government was behind the Sept 2001 attacks. 
No amount of evidence could get through to him.
He simply ignored it. He would attack anyone who disagreed with him. 

He's been perma-banned for a while. I wonder if he knows that all the perma-bans were lifted with the new format.
I wonder if he's changed his views at all.

[wmw999 2,452]

People I can read past (like rushmc and generally funjumper) I have no need to use software. It's only the ones who push my buttons, and get me pissed off. There's only one right now. 

Wendy P.