gowlerk 2,249 #1 February 25, 2016 http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/opinions/sutter-miami-climate-change/index.html Not a disaster. Just looking down the road and preparing for change. Sea level rise is already causing people to move, and it will increase.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2 February 25, 2016 gowlerk http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/opinions/sutter-miami-climate-change/index.html Not a disaster. Just looking down the road and preparing for change. Sea level rise is already causing people to move, and it will increase. Exactly the shit that is being discussed in another thread. This is sensationalism. It is attention promotion. It is exaggeration. He wants to protect an investment that has a possibility of devaluing. I sold my Enron stock when I saw it was headed for disaster. Big deal? I didn't get a writ up and a couple of pictures in an article because I dealt with what life handed me, me staved off as much damage as I could with what I had at my disposal to do so. People who buy land and build houses in Earthquake prone areas do so at their own risk. The fact is, it is more likely that the guys house would be blown down by a hurricane before it is flooded out by seal level rise.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #3 February 25, 2016 The disaster is that the purveyors of this "climate disaster porn" have influenced this poor man into making an irrational decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 February 25, 2016 You sea level comment is a perfect example of the bs out there today Example In major papers in the US in the last 3 or 4 weeks I have seen three articles addressing sea level changes First one? Recounted a just completed study that said because the planet was so dry from man made climate change, it (the planet) was acting like a giant sponge absorbing the water and negating sea level rise. Within the next 2 weeks Another study claims as you have here, that the sea level is rising at unprecedented rates (this to me is always a red flag) Last week Yet another study saying the sea level is rising slower that it has in the recorded past. And then of course, the whole damn question then falls back to whether man has anything to do with the changes IF they are really happening. I gotta admit This is entertaining more often than not BTW YOU blasted the Watts site because YOU stated it was opinion And then YOU post a CNN opinion page as evidence to back up your point????? Folks You can not make this shit up "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #5 February 25, 2016 The first victims: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/world/The-Marshall-Islands-Are-Disappearing.html Of course you will say that the liberal NY Times is "making this shit up".Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 February 25, 2016 gowlerk The first victims: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/world/The-Marshall-Islands-Are-Disappearing.html Of course you will say that the liberal NY Times is "making this shit up". You would be wrong New Orleans is disappearing to (they say) But it is sinking I hear In the mean time you ignore the rest of my post and then YOU make shit up What next? "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #7 February 25, 2016 What the evil EPA is attempting to teach your children about this: http://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/kids/impacts/signs/sea-level.html Better move to Texas where Republicans keep close control on science curricula. Shh.... the secrets is out. Watt may be wrong.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #8 February 25, 2016 Unfortunately for deadenders this is the future: http://fortune.com/2016/01/15/decline-us-coal-industry/ Quote That Crashing Sound Is The Fall Of The U.S. Coal IndustryAlways remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 February 25, 2016 gowlerk What the evil EPA is attempting to teach your children about this: http://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/kids/impacts/signs/sea-level.html Better move to Texas where Republicans keep close control on science curricula. Shh.... the secrets is out. Watt may be wrong. Boy You are avoiding all points at all costs right now huh........ And still making stuff up"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 February 25, 2016 gowlerk Unfortunately for deadenders this is the future: http://fortune.com/2016/01/15/decline-us-coal-industry/ Quote That Crashing Sound Is The Fall Of The U.S. Coal Industry Oh boy Now the deadenders term is back You are on a roll"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #11 February 25, 2016 Quote New Orleans is disappearing to (they say) But it is sinking I hear According to The Hip, yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAZUsCONjIQAlways remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #12 February 25, 2016 Lucky for us some of the best scientists in the world are watching and reporting. So we understand why it's getting a little wetter on the coast. https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/quickfacts/icesheets.html Some of the water is coming from here.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #13 February 25, 2016 Quote Now the deadenders term is back Us alarmists will not succumb to the deadenders. You can't fool us with your Wattsup cosmic debris!Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #14 February 25, 2016 gowlerk The first victims: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/world/The-Marshall-Islands-Are-Disappearing.html Of course you will say that the liberal NY Times is "making this shit up". More victims Rural Australians will be the hardest hit by climate change according to Professor Steve Vanderheiden from the Charles Sturt University (CSU) Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics (CAPPE). Charles Sturt University, 14 Oct 2013 hardest hit – Sydney’s urban areas January 3, 2015 by admin Sydney’s urban areas to be hit hardest by global warming ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate Sytem Science 7 Aug 2013 hardest hit – Papua New Guineau January 3, 2015 by admin The effects of climate change will impact more severely on the economy of Papua New Guinea than on any other in the Pacific, according to a new report by the Asian Development Bank. ABC News 27 Nov 2013 hardest hit – Bangladesh January 3, 2015 by admin Research reports that Bangladesh is one of the hardest hit nations by the impacts of climate change. UK climate4classrooms.org website hardest hit – Africa January 3, 2015 by admin There seems to be consensus in the developed world that Africa will be the hardest hit or most affected region, due to anthropogenic climate change. YouLead Collective, A young generation of climate leaders. 20 Nov 2014 hardest hit – Pakistan and Guatemala January 3, 2015 by admin Pakistan and Guatemala were hardest hit by weather extremes in 2010. Sven Harmeling, Team Leader International Climate Policy at Germanwatch and the index’s author: “Both extraordinary weather extremes in 2010 left their footprint in this year’s Climate Risk Index.” carbon-based-ghg.blogspot.com.au, 2 Dec 2011 hardest hit – Vietnam January 3, 2015 by admin Vietnam is likely to be among the countries hardest hit by climate change, mainly through rising sea levels and changes in rainfall and temperatures. International Food Policy Research Institute 2010 hardest hit – small island states January 3, 2015 by admin Norway’s Minister of the Environment and International Development Erik Solheim stated today that “The Small Island Developing States are among the hardest hit by climate change. We need to work with them and other partners to ensure that we have the best available information on climate change and share experience on adaptation. grida.no/polar/news November 2011 hardest hit – Thailand January 3, 2015 by admin The environment organization Germanwatch compiled a climate risk index. At the top of the 2011 ranking is Thailand. dw.de 27 Nov 2012 hardest hit – Maldives January 3, 2015 by admin Maldives economy hardest hit by climate change: Asian Development Bank. The Maldives is the most at-risk country in South Asia from climate change impacts, said the report titled ‘Assessing the costs of climate change and adaptation in South Asia.’ Minivan News 19 Aug 2014 hardest hit – Scandinavian countries January 3, 2015 by admin According to the latest data modelling, climate change is likely to have the strongest impact on Scandinavian countries such as Denmark, Norway and Sweden Planet Earth Herald hardest hit – Australia January 3, 2015 by admin Mr Dunlop, who’s now with the Association for the study of Peak Oil and Gas, says Australia will be one of the hardest hit by a rise in global temperatures.”We’re one of the driest continents on the earth and the effects on Australia will be more severe than elsewhere.” ABC News 17 May 2013 hardest hit – south-east Asia January 3, 2015 by admin Australia’s top intelligence agency believes south-east Asia will be the region worst affected by climate change by 2030, with decreased water flows from the Himalayan glaciers triggering a ”cascade of economic, social and political consequences” The dire outlook was provided by the deputy director of the Office of National Assessments, Heather Smith, in a confidential discussion on the national security implications of climate change with US embassy officials. Sydney Morning Herald 16 Dec 2010 hardest hit – Bulgaria, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece January 3, 2015 by admin Bulgaria, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece are the countries that would be worst affected by global warming, according to a European Union report. The EC Joint Research Commission (JRC) report, released on Wednesday, takes into account four significantly sensitive factors: agriculture, river flooding, coastal systems and tourism. novinite.com/view_news 25 Nov 2009 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #15 February 25, 2016 brenthutch ***The first victims: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/world/The-Marshall-Islands-Are-Disappearing.html Of course you will say that the liberal NY Times is "making this shit up". More victims Rural Australians will be the hardest hit by climate change according to Professor Steve Vanderheiden from the Charles Sturt University (CSU) Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics (CAPPE). Charles Sturt University, 14 Oct 2013 hardest hit – Sydney’s urban areas January 3, 2015 by admin Sydney’s urban areas to be hit hardest by global warming ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate Sytem Science 7 Aug 2013 hardest hit – Papua New Guineau January 3, 2015 by admin The effects of climate change will impact more severely on the economy of Papua New Guinea than on any other in the Pacific, according to a new report by the Asian Development Bank. ABC News 27 Nov 2013 hardest hit – Bangladesh January 3, 2015 by admin Research reports that Bangladesh is one of the hardest hit nations by the impacts of climate change. UK climate4classrooms.org website hardest hit – Africa January 3, 2015 by admin There seems to be consensus in the developed world that Africa will be the hardest hit or most affected region, due to anthropogenic climate change. YouLead Collective, A young generation of climate leaders. 20 Nov 2014 hardest hit – Pakistan and Guatemala January 3, 2015 by admin Pakistan and Guatemala were hardest hit by weather extremes in 2010. Sven Harmeling, Team Leader International Climate Policy at Germanwatch and the index’s author: “Both extraordinary weather extremes in 2010 left their footprint in this year’s Climate Risk Index.” carbon-based-ghg.blogspot.com.au, 2 Dec 2011 hardest hit – Vietnam January 3, 2015 by admin Vietnam is likely to be among the countries hardest hit by climate change, mainly through rising sea levels and changes in rainfall and temperatures. International Food Policy Research Institute 2010 hardest hit – small island states January 3, 2015 by admin Norway’s Minister of the Environment and International Development Erik Solheim stated today that “The Small Island Developing States are among the hardest hit by climate change. We need to work with them and other partners to ensure that we have the best available information on climate change and share experience on adaptation. grida.no/polar/news November 2011 hardest hit – Thailand January 3, 2015 by admin The environment organization Germanwatch compiled a climate risk index. At the top of the 2011 ranking is Thailand. dw.de 27 Nov 2012 hardest hit – Maldives January 3, 2015 by admin Maldives economy hardest hit by climate change: Asian Development Bank. The Maldives is the most at-risk country in South Asia from climate change impacts, said the report titled ‘Assessing the costs of climate change and adaptation in South Asia.’ Minivan News 19 Aug 2014 hardest hit – Scandinavian countries January 3, 2015 by admin According to the latest data modelling, climate change is likely to have the strongest impact on Scandinavian countries such as Denmark, Norway and Sweden Planet Earth Herald hardest hit – Australia January 3, 2015 by admin Mr Dunlop, who’s now with the Association for the study of Peak Oil and Gas, says Australia will be one of the hardest hit by a rise in global temperatures.”We’re one of the driest continents on the earth and the effects on Australia will be more severe than elsewhere.” ABC News 17 May 2013 hardest hit – south-east Asia January 3, 2015 by admin Australia’s top intelligence agency believes south-east Asia will be the region worst affected by climate change by 2030, with decreased water flows from the Himalayan glaciers triggering a ”cascade of economic, social and political consequences” The dire outlook was provided by the deputy director of the Office of National Assessments, Heather Smith, in a confidential discussion on the national security implications of climate change with US embassy officials. Sydney Morning Herald 16 Dec 2010 hardest hit – Bulgaria, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece January 3, 2015 by admin Bulgaria, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece are the countries that would be worst affected by global warming, according to a European Union report. The EC Joint Research Commission (JRC) report, released on Wednesday, takes into account four significantly sensitive factors: agriculture, river flooding, coastal systems and tourism. novinite.com/view_news 25 Nov 2009 If it's science . . . And science is never wrong . . . How can there be so many "Hardest Hit" cities? Last time I checked, Australia was no where near Spain.and Spain isn't very close to Southeast Asia. But it's science - right, so they could come up with a definitive "Hardest Hit" can't they? Maybe they just aren't sure. Maybe the science isn't settled.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #16 February 25, 2016 Quote If it's science . . . And science is never wrong . . . How can there be so many "Hardest Hit" cities? None of those "hardest hit" assessments are by scientists. Hardest hit is a subjective judgement. The scientists only predict the physical effects on the Earth. And they admit they don't know all of them. Science doesn't claim to be "never wrong" science is always trying to clarify and gain new knowledge. But the atmosphere is warmer, sea level is higher, and CO concentrations are up. And the trend for all three is higher. Do you really need someone to draw you a clearer picture than that? Do you or anyone else dispute any of these three basic facts? All these places have potential to be hit. And guess what? They will all feel like they are hit hard.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #17 February 25, 2016 gowlerk Quote If it's science . . . And science is never wrong . . . How can there be so many "Hardest Hit" cities? None of those "hardest hit" assessments are by scientists. Hardest hit is a subjective judgement. The scientists only predict the physical effects on the Earth. And they admit they don't know all of them. Science doesn't claim to be "never wrong" science is always trying to clarify and gain new knowledge. But the atmosphere is warmer, sea level is higher, and CO concentrations are up. And the trend for all three is higher. Do you really need someone to draw you a clearer picture than that? Do you or anyone else dispute any of these three basic facts? All these places have potential to be hit. And guess what? They will all feel like they are hit hard. Exaggerations.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 February 25, 2016 Just this month scientist got closer to proving a theory penned in 1916. 100 Years from theory to some proof. The science really isn't settled around Einstein's theories and predictions. Clearly the guy didn't have a clue what he was talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #19 February 25, 2016 Quote Exaggerations. Yes, people who write to sell advertisements do exaggerate. We know there will be effects. We don't know exactly when, or how bad. But you can depend on reporters writing stories to focus on the worst case scenario. That does not make sea level rise less real. It has already risen and there is every reason to believe it will rise more. And there will be people who lose big, and other largely unaffected. The guys in South Dakota will probably be alright. I'll be okay here in Winnipeg. We could use a little warming here. Likely Iowa, some of the most productive farmland in the world will become a little hotter and drier. And where I live will become more livable. But that's just speculation on my part, I don't know. All I know for sure are those three facts. Air temp, sea level, and CO levels are all rising.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #20 February 25, 2016 Sea levels have been steadily rising since the end of the last ice age. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #21 February 25, 2016 brenthutch Sea levels have been steadily rising since the end of the last ice age. Current rates of sea level rise have roughly doubled since the pre 1992 rates of sea level rise of the 20th century. Quote Sea level rise has been estimated to be on average between +2.6 millimetres (0.10 in) and 2.9 millimetres (0.11 in) per year ± 0.4 millimetres (0.016 in) since 1993. Additionally, sea level rise has accelerated in recent years.[3] For the period between 1870 and 2004, global average sea levels are estimated to have risen a total of 195 millimetres (7.7 in), and 1.7 millimetres (0.067 in) ± 0.3 millimetres (0.012 in) per year, with a significant acceleration of sea-level rise of 0.013 millimetres (0.00051 in) ± 0.006 millimetres (0.00024 in) per year per year. According to one study of measurements available from 1950 to 2009, these measurements show an average annual rise in sea level of 1.7 millimetres (0.067 in) ± 0.3 millimetres (0.012 in) per year during this period, with satellite data showing a rise of 3.3 millimetres (0.13 in) ± 0.4 millimetres (0.016 in) per year from 1993 to 2009.[4] Sea level rise is one of several lines of evidence that support the view that the global climate has recently warmed.[5] In 2014 the USGCRP National Climate Assessment projected that by the year 2100, the average sea level rise will have been between one and four feet (300mm-1200mm) since the date of the 2014 assessment. Current rates of sea level rise have roughly doubled since the pre 1992 rates of sea level rise of the 20th century. [6] But of course none of that has been vetted by Watt, the TV weatherman. Just a bunch of trained scientists. So it may not be "truthy" enough for you.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #22 February 25, 2016 http://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-university-study-shows-rising-seas-slowed-by-increasing-water-on-land Published two weeks ago. Only in "climate change land" can AGW cause sea level rates to increase AND decrease at the same time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #23 February 25, 2016 brenthutch http://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-university-study-shows-rising-seas-slowed-by-increasing-water-on-land Published two weeks ago. Only in "climate change land" can AGW cause sea level rates to increase AND decrease at the same time! So, what that says is they think increased precipitation is causing the rate of sea level rise to be 20% lower than it would otherwise be. Which is interesting, and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. I can see more fresh water on land as being potentially a good thing. Like I keep saying, many of the effects are unknown so far. There will be winners and losers. But it doesn't change any of the three central facts. Oh, and that term "climate change land" that you are using. I would interpret it to mean "Earth".Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #24 February 25, 2016 >Only in "climate change land" can AGW cause sea level rates to increase AND >decrease at the same time! Sea levels are increasing. They are merely increasing slightly less quickly because of more rainfall in some places. As an example, you might want your truck to go faster. You might add a turbocharger. It would significantly increase the power available from your engine. It would also add weight to your truck, which would then very slightly reduce the gains you would see in acceleration and top speed. Acceleration and top speed would still increase. Would your interpretation of this be "only in mouthbreathing redneck land could a turbocharger make a truck go faster and slower" ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 February 26, 2016 Nothing to do with Watts Just depends on who you wish to hitch your horse too"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
