Southsidedvr 0 #51 March 7, 2016 That is a pretty substantial list of lies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #52 March 7, 2016 SouthsidedvrThat is a pretty substantial list of lies. So is THIS And These And These And These In fact, of the GOP candidates only Kasich has a decent record as a truth-teller:... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #53 March 7, 2016 Thank you, college students: www.facebook.com/CollegeHumor/videos/10153552513872807/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #55 March 7, 2016 >That is a pretty substantial list of lies. And yet she is - by far - the most honest candidate in this campaign (out of Clinton, Sanders, Trump, Cruz and Rubio.) Which is pretty sad when you think about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #56 March 7, 2016 billvon>That is a pretty substantial list of lies. And yet she is - by far - the most honest candidate in this campaign (out of Clinton, Sanders, Trump, Cruz and Rubio.) Which is pretty sad when you think about it. But then you have to consider the severity of the lies as well. Lying about your dick size is different than lying about being shot at during a visit to a country as First Lady.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 March 7, 2016 turtlespeed***>That is a pretty substantial list of lies. And yet she is - by far - the most honest candidate in this campaign (out of Clinton, Sanders, Trump, Cruz and Rubio.) Which is pretty sad when you think about it. But then you have to consider the severity of the lies as well. Lying about your dick size is different than lying about being shot at during a visit to a country as First Lady. that's an exaggeration, but I guess if Hillary and Donald just want to lie - this is kind of a 'dick measuring' lie to her credit.... We could talk about lies that are more serious - covering up the reason for a horrific execution of an entire ambassadorial staff just for political expediency ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #58 March 7, 2016 >But then you have to consider the severity of the lies as well. Definitely. And even then, she is by far the most honest candidate of the front runners. (This is not to say that she's honest compared to most people - she's not - it's just that politicians are so very bad to begin with, and Trump has set new records for blatant, self-serving lies.) From Politifact: Clinton Sanders Trump Cruz Rubio True 25 15 1 5 13 Mostly true 26 33 7 16 22 Half true 21 21 14 13 22 Mostly false 14 16 17 28 24 False 13 15 41 31 15 Pants on fire 1 0 20 7 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #59 March 7, 2016 billvon>But then you have to consider the severity of the lies as well. Definitely. And even then, she is by far the most honest candidate of the front runners. (This is not to say that she's honest compared to most people - she's not - it's just that politicians are so very bad to begin with, and Trump has set new records for blatant, self-serving lies.) From Politifact: Clinton Sanders Trump Cruz Rubio True 25 15 1 5 13 Mostly true 26 33 7 16 22 Half true 21 21 14 13 22 Mostly false 14 16 17 28 24 False 13 15 41 31 15 Pants on fire 1 0 20 7 3 Sanders still wins that one - depending on how you score it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #60 March 7, 2016 You said you'd vote for Sanders over Trump, but Trump over Clinton, and the main reason you've given is her lying. If you really prefer Trump to Clinton, it appears that being a big fat liar really isn't your problem. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #61 March 7, 2016 rehmwa******>That is a pretty substantial list of lies. And yet she is - by far - the most honest candidate in this campaign (out of Clinton, Sanders, Trump, Cruz and Rubio.) Which is pretty sad when you think about it. But then you have to consider the severity of the lies as well. Lying about your dick size is different than lying about being shot at during a visit to a country as First Lady. that's an exaggeration, but I guess if Hillary and Donald just want to lie - this is kind of a 'dick measuring' lie to her credit.... We could talk about lies that are more serious - covering up the reason for a horrific execution of an entire ambassadorial staff just for political expediency Why would we need to talk about it? There have been, what, eight Congressional committees taking evidence under oath talking about it, with no conclusion except that nobody did anything wrong. And the witchhunt cost taxpayers $millions. And two GOP congresspersons inadvertently admitted that the purpose was just to damage one candidate.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #62 March 7, 2016 If honesty really mattered, then we'd all be voting for Kasich. This whole thing just makes me sick. Of the people, by the people, for the people. . .yep, we're fucked.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,192 #64 March 7, 2016 QuoteWhy would we need to talk about it? There have been, what, eight Congressional committees taking evidence under oath talking about it, with no conclusion except that nobody did anything wrong. And the witchhunt cost taxpayers $millions. And two GOP congresspersons inadvertently admitted that the purpose was just to damage one candidate. Why? Because the right of American politics HATES her. Why is that? Because she is a confident, competent women of the left and is successful. Same as they hate Nancy Pelosi. They hate all good Dem leaders, but they reserve a special level of vitriol for women.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #65 March 7, 2016 >Sanders still wins that one - depending on how you score it. That would be a hard argument to make. Who tells truths or mostly truths most often? Clinton 51% Sanders 48% Who tells at least half truths? Clinton 73% Sanders 69% Who avoids complete lies most often? Clinton 86% Sanders 85% About the only way Sanders "wins" is by the pants-on-fire score - and that's a difference of one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #66 March 8, 2016 billvon>Sanders still wins that one - depending on how you score it. That would be a hard argument to make. Who tells truths or mostly truths most often? Clinton 51% Sanders 48% Who tells at least half truths? Clinton 73% Sanders 69% Who avoids complete lies most often? Clinton 86% Sanders 85% About the only way Sanders "wins" is by the pants-on-fire score - and that's a difference of one. Add 100 points for no Pant on fire and there you have itI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #67 March 8, 2016 That makes no sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #68 March 8, 2016 normiss That makes no sense. Of course not - blinders are a benefit to you.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #69 March 8, 2016 Apparently not as much as English isn't for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #70 March 8, 2016 Only one leg? Your maths? WTF bro? turtlespeed***>Sanders still wins that one - depending on how you score it. That would be a hard argument to make. Who tells truths or mostly truths most often? Clinton 51% Sanders 48% Who tells at least half truths? Clinton 73% Sanders 69% Who avoids complete lies most often? Clinton 86% Sanders 85% About the only way Sanders "wins" is by the pants-on-fire score - and that's a difference of one. Add 100 points for no Pant on fire and there you have it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #71 March 8, 2016 kallend Thank you, college students: www.facebook.com/CollegeHumor/videos/10153552513872807/ "Some people believe it secretly leans a little left." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #72 March 8, 2016 >Add 100 points for no Pant on fire and there you have it But take away 200 points for Bernie being a stinking Commie and she's back in the lead. Although in that case you'd have to give Trump 50 points or so for just plain being terrific, everyone thinks so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #73 March 8, 2016 i can understand why Hitler managed to triumph his way to power in the times after WW1, but at you guys can see any in Trump worth vote for? I don not understand. I hoped the skydiving community was a little better off than that, but it proves, the majority here at speakers corner, is actually going to vote for him. This clown is actually in your opinion going to run United States of America? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,192 #74 March 8, 2016 434i can understand why Hitler managed to triumph his way to power in the times after WW1, but at you guys can see any in Trum worth vote for? And that is with you eyes open? I hoped the skydiving community was a little better off than that, but it proves, the majority here at speakers corner, is actually going to vote for him. I do not even bother to make spell check on this one. I guess you guys get what I say. This clown is actually in your opinion going to run United States of America? Trump is not Hitler, he is a populist, not a facist. I don't know why you feel the skydiving community should be better. It is dominated by white men, mostly rural or suburban. That is right in Trump's wheelhouse. Trump will not win the presidency if America actually turns out to vote. America is far more diverse than the people here. Unless the GOP's attempts to suppress the votes of those in demographics that tend not to support them are far more successful than they have been so far. Voter turnout in midterms has resulted in lopsided GOP wins, and narrow Dem wins every four years. Dems that don't bother voting in midterms deserve what they get for being too unmotivated to make the effort. In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve. America has not yet sunk low enough to deserve a clown as president.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #75 March 8, 2016 QuoteI hoped the skydiving community was a little better off than that, but it proves, the majority here at speakers corner, is actually going to vote for him. I think one person has said they will vote for him. Many have said they would never vote for him. Perhaps you are seeing what you want to see. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
