JerryBaumchen 1,432 #976 May 2, 2016 Hi Mark, QuoteTrump picks up an interesting endorsement While I fully understand that Donald Trump cannot control who might endorse him, the proper thing to do would be to disavow this organization. Any bets on what he will do? Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #977 May 2, 2016 JerryBaumchenHi Mark, QuoteTrump picks up an interesting endorsement While I fully understand that Donald Trump cannot control who might endorse him, the proper thing to do would be to disavow this organization. Any bets on what he will do? Jerry Baumchen My money's on Trump disavowing his 'supporters' TWICE as fast as Obama disavowed the racist organizations that supported him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,067 #978 May 2, 2016 >My money's on Trump disavowing his 'supporters' TWICE as fast as Obama disavowed the racist >organizations that supported him. From the last time Trump was asked about KKK support: ======= The Sunday uproar started when Trump was asked by Tapper whether he would disavow Duke and other white supremacist groups that are supporting his campaign. "Just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, OK?" Trump said. Trump was pressed three times on whether he'd distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan -- but never mentioned the group in his answers. "I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists," he said. "So I don't know. I don't know -- did he endorse me, or what's going on? Because I know nothing about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists." . . . Despite what he said Sunday, Trump apparently did know Duke in 2000 -- citing him, as well as Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani -- in a statement that year explaining why he had decided to end his brief flirtation with a Reform Party presidential campaign. ======== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #979 May 2, 2016 I guess we need Andy9o8 to weigh in here. When I worked in the field, the courts would order AA/NA for a certain length of time and the meetings had to be documented for the probation officer. If the individual was arrested on the same charge a 28 day program plus AA/NA was usual. Another offense would get you a 90 day outpatient or sometimes inpatient plus AA/NA upon discharge. If the client was arrested again usually it was usually jail time because 6 month programs are scarce. With good lawyer and a sympathetic judge you might get Teen Challenge or another Christian program for one year. In all my years in the field I never heard of the ACLU interfering.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #980 May 2, 2016 RonD1120In all my years in the field I never heard of the ACLU interfering. Do you understand the difference between not interfering and accepting them? There is a world of difference. I don't accept of a number of religions. That said, I don't interfere with any of them. My non-interferance doesn't mean I accept of them. Your claim was the ACLU accepted AA. That's certainly not proven by you at this point.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #981 May 3, 2016 Get in touch with Andy9o8 and ask him to weigh in, I can't. He doesn't accept PMs and I don't know any other way to contact him.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 848 #982 May 3, 2016 Why do you need his help for your thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #983 May 3, 2016 I don't, I expressed my thought. Quade needs help.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 848 #984 May 3, 2016 You're still making no sense at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #985 May 3, 2016 RonD1120I don't, I expressed my thought. Quade needs help. Quade is technically correct. However there is no data either way that rather of you presented. 1) Inaction in court does not equate to acceptance. 2) Inaction in touting does not equate to unacceptance.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 848 #986 May 3, 2016 turtlespeed***I don't, I expressed my thought. Quade needs help. Quade is technically correct. However there is no data either way that rather of you presented. 1) Inaction in court does not equate to acceptance. 2) Inaction in touting does not equate to unacceptance. Please, someone, turn on the gibberish filter in here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #987 May 3, 2016 normiss******I don't, I expressed my thought. Quade needs help. Quade is technically correct. However there is no data either way that rather of you presented. 1) Inaction in court does not equate to acceptance. 2) Inaction in touting does not equate to unacceptance. Please, someone, turn on the gibberish filter in here. Why the issues today? Not raising a court case does not mean they accept the program, nor does it mean they don't. 2) Not speaking out against AA doesn't mean they Accept them any ore than Not Speaking For them does.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #988 May 3, 2016 That would be my opinion. I don't know for certain but, it would seem that the ACLU would only hold a position on their precedent cases. IOW, if they haven't taken an issue to court they would not have an official position. So, would it be better for the critics if I said the ACLU were not concerned rather than accepted?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #989 May 3, 2016 RonD1120That would be my opinion. I don't know for certain but, it would seem that the ACLU would only hold a position on their precedent cases. IOW, if they haven't taken an issue to court they would not have an official position. So, would it be better for the critics if I said the ACLU were not concerned rather than accepted? "Apathetic" works.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #990 May 3, 2016 OK, I'll go with apathetic.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #991 May 4, 2016 If people get the government they deserve, the American people must have been terribly bad to deserve this... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #992 May 4, 2016 kallendIf people get the government they deserve, the American people must have been terribly bad to deserve this Hundreds of years of seriously bad karma coming back at us. We're fucked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #993 May 4, 2016 We have been in a decadent decline for a long time. Most of my life in fact.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 848 #994 May 4, 2016 Here's an interesting perspective on the numbers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #995 May 4, 2016 RonD1120We have been in a decadent decline for a long time. Most of my life in fact. Nice of you to accept the blame, but I doubt it's all your fault.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #996 May 4, 2016 kallend***We have been in a decadent decline for a long time. Most of my life in fact. Nice of you to accept the blame, but I doubt it's all your fault. He said "most of." Since you are slightly younger than him, you'll have to accept the blame.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #997 May 4, 2016 turtlespeed******We have been in a decadent decline for a long time. Most of my life in fact. Nice of you to accept the blame, but I doubt it's all your fault. He said "most of." Since you are slightly younger than him, you'll have to accept the blame. Obviously only "most of" his life. I doubt he instigated much moral decay as a babe in arms.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #998 May 4, 2016 kallend*********We have been in a decadent decline for a long time. Most of my life in fact. Nice of you to accept the blame, but I doubt it's all your fault. He said "most of." Since you are slightly younger than him, you'll have to accept the blame. Obviously only "most of" his life. I doubt he instigated much moral decay as a babe in arms. You don't know. Maybe he was anti-Ike.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #999 May 4, 2016 Kasich is out: http://www.npr.org/2016/05/04/476074761/kasich-dropping-out-of-presidential-race"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
434 2 #1000 May 4, 2016 People are people! I can not understand why it leads to this! It is crazy, I have no words. Pure stupidity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites