Donald Trump Versus Hillary Clinton

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gowlerk

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Lawyers will lose out though

I know my predictive abilities are weak. But I'm predicting a lot of legal troubles for President Trump.

Not near as many as Hillary already had lined up for herself

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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gowlerk

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Lawyers will lose out though

I know my predictive abilities are weak. But I'm predicting a lot of legal troubles for President Trump. Berlusconi style.

Ordinary trouble will be set aside until his term is over.

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I need to start writing my proposal for work on The Wall. May as well find some good in the situation.

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I need to start writing my proposal for work on The Wall. May as well find some good in the situation.

How is your Spanish?

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***I need to start writing my proposal for work on The Wall. May as well find some good in the situation.

How is your Spanish?

No bueno

But I could be really good at invoicing the government.

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ryoder

***Just woke up. Unreal, it is happening right now. He win florida, and close to 270

And if the Gary Johnson voters in FL had gone with Clinton, she would have won.

and the blame goes on Clinton, not the voters - lots of reasons, but two are forefront IMO, YMMV

1 - excessively negative campaigning turns off independents and millennials - back campaign SOP

2 - the ACA costs skyrocketing - can't be helped, this is policy


both parties are broken, the way the media only shows the negative campaigning and not the positive campaigning is broken, the sheer extent of negative campaigning is broken

we got a guy that the Reps won't like with a starting goal of a LOT of spending that feels like Obama's "Stimulus" package. We got a guy that the dems could have beat easily except for the one person they were forced to back. We had a campaign that essentially dehumanized any opposing discussion instead of facilitated open discussion (no, not just one party, admit it).

if both the dems and reps don't admit they are broken and fix it, we'll keep getting caricature outsiders gaining popularity


you don't win by dehumanizing the other guy - even if your fanatical followers are mean spirited enough to applaud - and even if the near term election is won on this tactic, society loses. you win by selling your philosophy to those in middle.

this entire campaign was essentially a speaker's corner thread

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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rehmwa

******Just woke up. Unreal, it is happening right now. He win florida, and close to 270

And if the Gary Johnson voters in FL had gone with Clinton, she would have won.

and the blame goes on Clinton, not the voters

Part of blame goes on the GOP for spending 3 years focusing on bashing Clinton because she was the most likely Dem nominee for 2016. Isn't it strange how she left office Feb 1 2013 with a 56% favorable / 35% unfavorable rating, and her numbers have nose-dived in the years since while she held no office?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

And the other part of the blame goes on the DNC for holding a coronation designed to annoit the presumptive nominee, instead of a primary with all candidates on a level playing field.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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And the other part of the blame goes on the DNC for holding a coronation designed to annoit the presumptive nominee, instead of a primary with all candidates on a level playing field.

Agreed. Sanders would have had a much better chance. At least according to poll numbers and we have seen what those are worth...

[jakee 1,489]

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you don't win by dehumanizing the other guy

So how come Trump won then?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

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you don't win by dehumanizing the other guy

So how come Trump won then?

I know that's a flip comment - however

because the Hillary campaign was much better at it than the Trump campaign was - maybe more likely is that this tactic is recognized as the standard political strategy and the 'insider' got hit harder as a result

If one were to only watch political ads that were for a candidate rather than against a candidate we'd have gone to the polls with zero information. blame the media presentation, or the parties themselves or both, but that's the SOP lately


the 60 Minutes focus group piece was spot on if anyone saw it

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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the 60 Minutes focus group piece was spot on if anyone saw it

I thought that was a great and eye opening segment. Good stuff.

[jakee 1,489]

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I know that's a flip comment

No, it's a 'can you seriously hear yourself speak' comment.

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because the Hillary campaign was much better at it than the Trump campaign was

Are you kidding me? What was Hillary's equivalent of the "Crooked" salutation he used every time he spoke her name? What was Hillary's equivalent of the "lock her up" chant he led at most of his rallies? What was the DNC's equivalent of the Rep's endless senate probe into an email server?

Did you see the graph that's been posted a few times showing the decline of Hillary's Favourable ratings since she left her Government post 3 years ago? Character assassination was the second mainstay of Trump's entire campaign (the first one being "Great!"), and it clearly did work.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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ryoder

*********Just woke up. Unreal, it is happening right now. He win florida, and close to 270

And if the Gary Johnson voters in FL had gone with Clinton, she would have won.

and the blame goes on Clinton, not the voters

Part of blame goes on the GOP for spending 3 years focusing on bashing Clinton because she was the most likely Dem nominee for 2016. Isn't it strange how she left office Feb 1 2013 with a 56% favorable / 35% unfavorable rating, and her numbers have nose-dived in the years since while she held no office?

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

And the other part of the blame goes on the DNC for holding a coronation designed to annoit the presumptive nominee, instead of a primary with all candidates on a level playing field.

Hillary made her own bed with her own activities.

Also notice, she did very little campaigning on her record. Her almost total focus was bashing Trump. And her media ate it up.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

Hillary made her own bed with her own activities.

Also notice, she did very little campaigning on her record. Her almost total focus was bashing Trump. And her media ate it up.

VERY classy concession speech by Hils. More with a tone and positive like this and fewer like the last few months and she wins in a landslide. It's really that simple......(or if the media had shown more of hers like this rather than just ratings boosting bashfests......either way)

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-hillary-clinton-s-full-concession-speech-804768835868

worth a listen, she did good

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[ryoder 1,590]

Fark: "Dewey defeats Truman. Again"

http://nypost.com/2016/11/08/newsweek-prints-madam-president-issue-before-election-even-happens/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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From another NY Post article, regarding the electoral college:

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The Founding Fathers created the Electoral College because they were actually “afraid of direct democracy,” according to FactCheck.org.

(yeah, we knew this.) But the next paragraphs is truly funny...

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In fact, Alexander Hamilton thought the electors would make sure that “the office of president will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications.”

And again, evidence that the founding fathers really could never have predicted the people we as Americans would become.

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

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This explains why I have repeatedly missed the secret decoder ring for racism.

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Iago

I wonder if all the absentee ballots have been counted.

WI, MI, and PA are all pretty close states. Unlikely that HRC could pick up 70k votes to flip PA, but possible?

It's the 120k votes to flip FL I'd like to see! Although absentee ballots in Florida now only get counted if they arrive by election day (not postmarked by, as was in the past).

I know a LOT of military personnel who changed their residency to Florida when stationed there, so those election officials must be incredibly busy counting all the absentee ballots each election year!

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!