End of the GOP as a party?

[PhreeZone 20]

I was reading an article (can't find it now) where the author was talking about since there are a lot of seats up for grabs this year in congress its putting the GOP candidates in a position where the may need to not back the likely presidential candidate of Donald Trump due to the harm he might cause their brand. The flip side of the conversation was that this candidate is winning a majority of their party right now and seems to be "the voice of the people". If the candidates do not back him then are they going to be facing the wrath of their own party and not receiving the votes from the 32-36% of the voters currently voting for Trump? This is a situation where if you support him you stand to potentially lose a lot of the cross over voters, if you don't support him then you lose your primary voters. Does this potentially put more seats in danger of being flipped this fall? Numbers I was looking at out at 538 and it looks like a solid 5-7 Senate seats are now classified as swing and 15-25 in the house are now up for grabs that were thought to be sewn up. Could we be looking at a flip of Congress again this fall?



What I did find most interesting was the talk of establishing of a third party that was more of the establishment, legacy GOP and letting the Tea Party continue to run with the Republican name but have the majority of the players, money and donors leave and go to the third party.

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PhreeZone

What I did find most interesting was the talk of establishing of a third party that was more of the establishment, legacy GOP and letting the Tea Party continue to run with the Republican name but have the majority of the players, money and donors leave and go to the third party.

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[jgoose71 0]

The Republican party is revolting against its self and going through some changes.

Trump is the result of the political elite not representing the people in the party any more. I said a while ago in the "Adolf Trump" thread that this is a hiccup in the political process, and I still believe it.

Trump is a symptom, but not the cure. The R's in power will either learn from the voters going scorched earth on their political party or they will go the way of the dodo bird.

And contrary to popular belief, this is a continuation of the Tea party movement. The Tea party was never racist, sexist, extremists, or what ever else the Leftist Media portrayed them as. It was always about getting a government that follows its own laws, the constitution, and represents the people.

The left has it's own problems to deal with also. What do you think the rise of "Black lives Matter" and Bernie Sanders is all about? The left knows there is something wrong with their party also, they just don't know what to do about it. Kind of the same reason we have all these people voting for Trump.

Either way, things are going to get worse before they get better. You can bet on that.

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jgoose71

The Republican party is revolting against its self and going through some changes.

Trump is the result of the political elite not representing the people in the party any more. I said a while ago in the "Adolf Trump" thread that this is a hiccup in the political process, and I still believe it.

Trump is a symptom, but not the cure. The R's in power will either learn from the voters going scorched earth on their political party or they will go the way of the dodo bird.

And contrary to popular belief, this is a continuation of the Tea party movement. The Tea party was never racist, sexist, extremists, or what ever else the Leftist Media portrayed them as. It was always about getting a government that follows its own laws, the constitution, and represents the people.

The left has it's own problems to deal with also. What do you think the rise of "Black lives Matter" and Bernie Sanders is all about? The left knows there is something wrong with their party also, they just don't know what to do about it. Kind of the same reason we have all these people voting for Trump.

Either way, things are going to get worse before they get better. You can bet on that.

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[gowlerk 2,249]

How sick is the GOP at this point? Well, most of it's senior leaders are calling Trump the worst names and saying he is completely unfit to be President. As are his rivals, to a man. Yet most of them say that if he becomes the nominee, they will support him.

So who is unfit to lead? Him, them, or all of them?

This is why Trump supporters are not going to back off or change their minds. They already know what Trump is. They are not stupid, and Trump is not stupid. But they are going to stick it to the sick lying bastards. And the more they squirm, the more enjoyable it will be.

John Oliver, Mitt Romney, the Bush family? They are all correct, but so what? The people are finally getting a chance to stick it to the man. Just be happy the people have this outlet. Other places have violent street revolutions when the people are this pissed off.

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[raff 4]

In 1972, after the GOP swept nearly everything, Bob Dole, the chairman of the RNC, I believe, was caught on camera smugly saying "You don't get a George McGovern coming along every election year." This is exactly what the thrilled-to-death Dems must be thinking right now. I cannot believe that any sentient voter, no matter what the results of the GOP primaries and the subsequent convention, could possibly vote for this bombastic buffoon. I have been a Repub for the fifty years that I have been a voter, and I would vote for a ham sandwich before this jerk. I am so embarrassed. Imagine what other countries think of our "political" process.

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raff

I cannot believe that any sentient voter, no matter what the results of the GOP primaries and the subsequent convention, could possibly vote for this bombastic buffoon.

Trump voters barely class as sentient.

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gowlerk

How sick is the GOP at this point? Well, most of it's senior leaders are calling Trump the worst names and saying he is completely unfit to be President. As are his rivals, to a man. Yet most of them say that if he becomes the nominee, they will support him.

So who is unfit to lead? Him, them, or all of them?

This is why Trump supporters are not going to back off or change their minds. They already know what Trump is. They are not stupid, and Trump is not stupid. But they are going to stick it to the sick lying bastards. And the more they squirm, the more enjoyable it will be.

John Oliver, Mitt Romney, the Bush family? They are all correct, but so what? The people are finally getting a chance to stick it to the man. Just be happy the people have this outlet. Other places have violent street revolutions when the people are this pissed off.

The problem with the Hillary voters is not that she lies, covers it up at great length, and great cost. It's that her voters don't CARE.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[gowlerk 2,249]

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The problem with the Hillary voters is not that she lies, covers it up at great length, and great cost. It's that her voters don't CARE.

You and others on the right keep saying that. But I've seen no smoking gun that shows habitual lying. I know you will rave on about Benghazi, emails, and some exaggeration about being shot at, but really, there is not much to it.

I see her as a highly motivated, qualified policy wonk with slightly leftish ideals. Her Senate colleagues mostly rave about the fine job she did at State. Only right wing ideologues call her a liar.

I wish you and others would attack her for her policies instead of her character. She IS very ambitious, and many people can't stand that in a woman, but she is also extremely smart, dedicated, and is absolutely in it for what she can do for her country. She has been through a lot and has demonstrated Stirling qualities.

Even though she is of small stature and has small hands she is heads and shoulders about anyone else in the race. If you reject her for the fact that she is of the left and you are of the right I can understand that. As much as the Obama presidency has been an important milestone in US history, she has qualities that will serve her and your country much better than his.

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gowlerk

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The problem with the Hillary voters is not that she lies, covers it up at great length, and great cost. It's that her voters don't CARE.

You and others on the right keep saying that. But I've seen no smoking gun that shows habitual lying. I know you will rave on about Benghazi, emails, and some exaggeration about being shot at, but really, there is not much to it.

I see her as a highly motivated, qualified policy wonk with slightly leftish ideals. Her Senate colleagues mostly rave about the fine job she did at State. Only right wing ideologues call her a liar.

I wish you and others would attack her for her policies instead of her character. She IS very ambitious, and many people can't stand that in a woman, but she is also extremely smart, dedicated, and is absolutely in it for what she can do for her country. She has been through a lot and has demonstrated Stirling qualities.

Even though she is of small stature and has small hands she is heads and shoulders about anyone else in the race. If you reject her for the fact that she is of the left and you are of the right I can understand that. As much as the Obama presidency has been an important milestone in US history, she has qualities that will serve her and your country much better than his.

She is incapable of accepting responsibility for her own failings.

That alone cannot be abided.

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[jakee 1,563]

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She is incapable of accepting responsibility for her own failings.

That alone cannot be abided.

But how does that make her any worse than Trump? Trump isn't just incapable of accepting responsibility for his failings, Trump is incapable of accepting that he has any failings, or that he's ever failed. He's the best at every single thing he ever tries, and anyone who doesn't agree that he's the best at everything is totally the worst at everything.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,106]

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The problem with the Hillary voters is not that she lies, covers it up at great length, and great cost. It's that her voters don't CARE.

She is incapable of accepting responsibility for her own failings.

That alone cannot be abided.

Rather like Nixon, Reagan, (Bill) Clinton, and GWB.

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[kallend 2,106]

The GOP is hoist by its own petard.

Starting with the civil rights movement in the '60s the GOP aggressively courted the disaffected, working whites mostly in the south, and played to their (lack of) education, fears of minorities, and religious intolerance.

The GOP elite never really provided anything for these people except thinly veiled (coded) messages supporting their prejudices. The GOP engineered a huge shift in wealth from the middle and working classes to the wealthy, all the while blaming those on welfare and food stamps for the plight of the working poor and decline of the middle class.

Then along comes Donald who states openly what the GOP has been hinting at for 50 years without actually saying it. And the party elders are surprised that the poorly educated switched their allegiance to Trump? Its just what the GOP deserves.

I am somewhat distressed to say that I agree with Glenn Beck, maybe for the first time ever. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISUQMH6H6so

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kallend

I am somewhat distressed to say that I agree with Glenn Beck, maybe for the first time ever. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISUQMH6H6so

I find it hilarious Glenn Beck, of all people, is criticizing Donald Trump for driving a wedge between traditional conservatism and the lowest common denominator. He blames the GOP for "creating" Donald Trump, but seems to ignore his own involvement with the creation of the "Tea Party."

The "Tea Party" opened the door for Trump to waltz in.

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kallend

I am somewhat distressed to say that I agree with Glenn Beck, maybe for the first time ever. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISUQMH6H6so

Damn!
I feel so dirty admitting that I agree.

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[gowlerk 2,249]

That's pretty much exactly as I see it.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[kallend 2,106]

So Trump won Michigan, where Romney Sr. was governor, and Mississippi, deep in Cruz territory.

The GOP elites must be terrified. Their monster truly is out of their control.

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kallend

So Trump won Michigan, where Romney Sr. was governor, and Mississippi, deep in Cruz territory.

The GOP elites must be terrified. Their monster truly is out of their control.

His campaign seems to be right out of the Weekly World News.

[kallend 2,106]

winsor

***So Trump won Michigan, where Romney Sr. was governor, and Mississippi, deep in Cruz territory.

The GOP elites must be terrified. Their monster truly is out of their control.

His campaign seems to be right out of the Weekly World News.

Bat Boy is a Trump supporter? I suppose I should have expected that.

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kallend

******So Trump won Michigan, where Romney Sr. was governor, and Mississippi, deep in Cruz territory.

The GOP elites must be terrified. Their monster truly is out of their control.

His campaign seems to be right out of the Weekly World News.

Bat Boy is a Trump supporter? I suppose I should have expected that.

I thought Bat Boy grew up to BE Trump.

[ryoder 1,590]

Ted Cruz got an endorsement from a senator!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/10/politics/mike-lee-ted-cruz-endorsement/index.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,106]

It looks like Marc's favorite "news" source is in trouble:

www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/criminal-complaints-fake-bylines-and-exodus-breitbart-news-networks-chaotic-few-days/2016/03/14/3fb4dc9e-ea14-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html?wpisrc=nl_draw2

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[billvon 3,070]

>It looks like Marc's favorite "news" source is in trouble:

Quick summary:

Trump has been paying Breitbart to support him(1). So when Trump's campaign director grabbed a Breitbart reporter and threw her to the ground(2) Breitbart denied it instantly. The reporter resigned, and Breitbart has fired several people who supported her. Their spokesman has resigned, citing his conscience as a reason:

"I just couldn’t represent them anymore in good conscience. I didn’t sign on to be a member of the de facto Donald Trump super PAC and, in this case, their allegiance to Trump took priority over loyalty to their own reporter."

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1 - from Buzzfeed:
According to four sources with knowledge of the situation, editors and writers at the outlet have privately complained since at least last year that the company’s top management was allowing Trump to turn Breitbart into his own fan website — using it to hype his political prospects and attack his enemies. One current editor called the water-carrying “despicable” and “embarrassing,” and said he was told by an executive last year that the company had a financial arrangement with Trump. A second Breitbart staffer said he had heard a similar description of the site’s relationship with the billionaire but didn’t know the details; and a third source at the company said he knew of several instances when managers had overruled editors at Trump’s behest. Additionally, a conservative communications operative who works closely with Breitbart described conversations in which “multiple writers and editors” said Trump was paying for the ability to shape coverage, and added that one staffer claimed to have seen documentation of the “pay for play.”
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2- From TP:
On Tuesday night, Donald Trump’s campaign manager Corey Lewandowski forcibly yanked Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields nearly to the ground after she asked the candidate a question, according to witnesses.

Ben Terris, the Washington Post reporter who identified Corey Lewandowski as the one who assaulted Fields, published an eyewitness account.
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The Trump campaign issued a statement denying that the incident occurred — and tacitly blaming Fields for invading Trump’s “personal space.” This contradicts earlier statements from inside the Trump campaign.

Fields tweeted a picture of her bruises.
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From an audio recording of the incident:

Terris: “You okay?”
Fields: “Holy shit.”
Terris: “Yeah he just threw you.”
Fields: “I can’t believe he just did that, that was so hard. Was that Corey?”
Terris: “Yeah, like, what threat were you?”
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