Nah, this would never happen.......it has.

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IN essence what is stated there is correct. 1033 Did transfer ownership of excess military equipment to civilian law enforcement agencies. The value I am finding is $5.1 million. Author uses $5.6 billion. Really nothing to get outraged over.

Not sure what is meant by tankers, also not really relevant. The Humvees and more is certainly correct.

Oh no, it's Billion with a B.
96% of the surplus equipment was/is "non- military grade". There were no "tank(ers)", Humvees sure, but the vast majority of those are soft sided trucks, although evidently the trucks of oppression. There were no surplus Humvees or MRAPS used in the initial response in Ferguson.
This equipment did not "just return from combat missions" either.

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Editorializing the police response had some blame regarding that.

No problem there, but she took it way beyond that.

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Alton Sterling was pinned down when he was shot and did not have control of his weapon at that point.

Philando Castille was legal to carry a firearm and had informed the "officer" that he was armed as he was supposed too. When asked to provide his ID he moved and was subsequently shot.

She stated in an editorial that they weren't armed, they were. It's not being disingenuous, that is a flat out lie
She writes as if these things happened a vacuum, they didn't.

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Tamir Rice was 12 years old and the 911 caller had indicated the gun was probably fake. The officer raced in, startled the kid and shot him. Could have been handled much, much better.

I don't think you'd find many people who don't agree, including the officers involved. Mistakes are made, remember there are tens of millions of police contacts in this country yearly. Less than .001% end in a potentially unlawful use of force.

This "editorial" is full of false narratives and a couple of outright untruths.

It just goes back to simply being non-factual and disingenuous.

If she wanted to editorialize on the initial response to Ferguson, no problem. But repeating Michael Brown as some type of victim has been proven false. Then regurgitating BLM talking points about unarmed people just makes it worse and less factual.

In the current environment, facts simply don't matter, that is the bottom line.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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Oh no, it's Billion with a B.

Agreed, typo on my end.

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96% of the surplus equipment was/is "non- military grade".

Agreed, including fax machines. But that doesn't make her statement less true. It is not the job of an editorial to educate people on this program.

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There were no surplus Humvees or MRAPS used in the initial response in Ferguson.
This equipment did not "just return from combat missions" either.

All agreed. Notwithstanding that and the point the writer is making, law enforcement looks very similar to military now. With that looks appears to come a different mindset and certainly a different perception by civilians.

No that doesn't mean it all came from 1033. But stating that because it didn't all come from 1033, therefor there were no changes isn't true either. The gist of the point remains.

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She stated in an editorial that they weren't armed, they were. It's not being disingenuous, that is a flat out lie
She writes as if these things happened a vacuum, they didn't.

As such it is a flat out lie yes. In context of how they were shot, it isn't really a lie. All were shot before it became clear that a real firearm was involved. Writer stated it poorly and wrongly, but for the point being made it makes no real difference.

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In the current environment, facts simply don't matter, that is the bottom line.

Which is coming after decades of facts being fabricated by the police. The general idea being that non of this police conduct is new, the recording of it is what is new.

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As such it is a flat out lie yes. In context of how they were shot, it isn't really a lie. All were shot before it became clear that a real firearm was involved. Writer stated it poorly and wrongly, but for the point being made it makes no real difference.

This continues to fuel this..............

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-breaking/2016/09/13/police-three-phoenix-officers-injured-after-suspect-drove-into-them/90296078/

But I know, it's the cops who are standing there talking fault.
Also that "military mindset", I mean the Chief said "staying in the fight". That officer shouldn't have kept fighting, he should have talked that guy down, because that bad guy, he was just changing his life around.
Give the officers major kudos, if that was me, it most likely would have been a deadly force encounter.
But the author of the earlier article would have included this guy in the "unarmed" category.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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But I know, it's the cops who are standing there talking fault.
Also that "military mindset", I mean the Chief said "staying in the fight". That officer shouldn't have kept fighting, he should have talked that guy down, because that bad guy, he was just changing his life around.
Give the officers major kudos, if that was me, it most likely would have been a deadly force encounter.
But the author of the earlier article would have included this guy in the "unarmed" category.

Sorry, I am missing how this relates to the article you linked?

But this does somewhat relate to the article I linked, where an officer was fired for not killing somebody in a situation he had identified as suicide by cop.

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Sorry, I am missing how this relates to the article you linked?

Wow,
That's surprising.

Here is another example of how easy police work is.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f97_1473820986

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But this does somewhat relate to the article I linked, where an officer was fired for not killing somebody in a situation he had identified as suicide by cop.

Yes, that guy would go in the "unarmed" category, because his gun wasn't loaded...............

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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Wow,
That's surprising.

Here is another example of how easy police work is.

This discussion isn't about the difficulty of the job.

An engineer's response to a bridge collapsing isn't: do you know how difficult it is to build a bridge correctly.

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Yes, that guy would go in the "unarmed" category, because his gun wasn't loaded...............

Clearly you don't want to actually discuss the issue. You just want people to agree with you. That article is a prime example of what fuels this negative perception of the police in the US. In response you have completely ignored it, until specifically asked and then you mocked it.

Then you blame the media on this negative perception.

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Clearly you don't want to actually discuss the issue. You just want people to agree with you. That article is a prime example of what fuels this negative perception of the police in the US. In response you have completely ignored it, until specifically asked and then you mocked it.

I wasn't there, knowing (yes actually knowing) how these things can sometimes go, I try not to pass judgment based on media accounts.

But since you asked twice, let me expand a bit..........

Many years ago there was an officer who shot a bank robber that had a hostage, he shot the guy in the arm while the bad guy was holding the hostage. The guy let the hostage go and was taken into custody, after dropping a knife he had in his other hand. The public and media fawned over this for a couple days. While working the desk, I received numerous phone calls of how great it was that we shot this guy in the arm etc..

What actually happened was (we think, he'd never admit it) the officer tried a headshot, missed, hit the guys upper forearm (which was right in front of the hostages head), and luckily the round traveled down his ulna and out his elbow. I had to guard the bad guy in the hospital, the first thing he said was, "man, I thought he shot her", he was relieved it was only him that got shot. Had this ended with her being shot, there would have been an entirely different outcome.

A few years earlier, this same officer was told not to go into a room where an armed guy was. He did, got taken hostage, resulting in a SWAT stand-off. The department tried to fire him then, but the media had spun the story of him heroically going inside to try to save the mans life. Which simply wasn't true, I got this from the guys who were there. This was the reason they didn't fire him for the shooting. He later was fired for misconduct (not anything firearm related, just a series of REALLY stupid decisions).

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Then you blame the media on this negative perception.

So my lengthy answer is blame? No, but sometimes they can play a major factor, either intentionally, or unintentionally. Lately, several national outlets have done it intentionally IMHO, social media certainly has.

In the case in West Virginia, I wasn't there, I don't know the totality of circumstances, so I won't comment on it.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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In the case in West Virginia, I wasn't there, I don't know the totality of circumstances, so I won't comment on it.

Right, yet you have no problem commenting on and presenting links to media stories that are in favour of LEO.

I think we'll be going in circles from here on out. Have a good one.

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Many years ago . . .

About 10-15 yrs ago, here in Portland, we had a similar situation. The bad guy had a 10-11 yr old kid hostage inside of a house. The police had a clear shot thru a window. They took it & killed the kid.

The officer was never charged with anything ( and I agree with this ). However, he later retired on a stress disability.

Not everything always goes as we want.

However, the beating of a perp in custody is unacceptable to me. As is the shooting of some folks when it is not necessary. Yes, I know & accept that these are very subjective definitions.

Jerry Baumchen

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However, the beating of a perp in custody is unacceptable to me.

As it is to me and statistically 99.9% of other officers.

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As is the shooting of some folks when it is not necessary.

See above

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[billvon 2,991]

>Give the officers major kudos, if that was me, it most likely would have been a
>deadly force encounter.

Agreed 100%.

But he was fired for doing that. What message do you think that sends to the next officer who thinks he might be able to de-escalate a situation, rather than just start shooting?

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But he was fired for doing that. What message do you think that sends to the next officer who thinks he might be able to de-escalate a situation, rather than just start shooting?

I was speaking of the officers run down in Phoenix.

See other comments in reference to the West Virginia thing.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 800]

Local cop now a convicted felon in court today.
Another bad one.
Very rare to see this.

Interesting comments on the story page too, as usual these days.

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Video shows Delio striking a man in a holding cell with his knee.

Delio lost his job after an internal review found that he mistreated that man, Robert Leise.

And your point is? We'd both agree on this one.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 800]

Maybe bad cops aren't quite as rare as you want us to believe?

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Yes,
They are quite rare. Now I'm going scour the internet looking for doctors, lawyers, pilots, teachers, clergy members and other people in positions of trust who do dumb and/or illegal things.

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flashlight. A wrench. An L-shaped object under a towel. Even a Chicago Fire Department badge in a wallet.

Almost happened to me, it was a bag of dope, it's a long story but if the woman (yes woman) had came up towards me with her arm with the silvery bag in her hand, instead of throwing it backwards, I'd have shot her.

A kid was shot and killed in Columbus Ohio last night pointing a BB gun at officers.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tyree-king-13-fatally-shot-police-columbus-ohio-n648671

This job is mainly about driving around and writing reports, but when things go sideways, they can go very fast and very bad.

Oh and here is a lawyer in all her glory..........
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c6d_1473900923

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 800]

"doctors, lawyers, pilots, teachers, clergy members and other people in positions of trust" aren't armed wandering our streets with powers to arrest though. Typically, cops show up to process them if they kill anyone.
Not the same in any world.

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This job is mainly about driving around and writing reports

Here I thought it would have been about serving your community.

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Video shows Delio striking a man in a holding cell with his knee.

Delio lost his job after an internal review found that he mistreated that man, Robert Leise.

And your point is? We'd both agree on this one.

I wonder how come I've never seen an officer(s) intervene when a cop is beating someone.

https://youtu.be/HHFnkTRA_0o

[normiss 800]

Only if they need help, based on current videos.

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Here I thought it would have been about serving your community.

A complete job task analysis would be a bit lengthy, I was speaking in very general terms.

All those teams we coached, kids we mentored, Explorers Post I ran, special events we organized, just to name a few.
Some done on my own time, with my own dime, might say that goes without saying.
I run into grown adults who still know my name, and thank me for helping them in any of the above endeavors.

That's what goes with actually serving your community.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[skycop 0]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=009_1473893879

This happens everyday in this country, but you see very little of it.

As far as the kid goes, when I watched the football coach slap the shit of a kid in the 8th grade, should I have intervened?
At that time the kid deserved it and learned a valuable lesson.

Have you been in a school in the last 20yrs? The lack of respect and discipline is appalling, but by today's standards this is unacceptable behavior and I wouldn't have tolerated it.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[normiss 800]

If an adult ever laid hands on my kids like that, you would have to have intervened.
Physically battering minors is entirely unacceptable, as well as illegal.

[billvon 2,991]

>>This job is mainly about driving around and writing reports

>Here I thought it would have been about serving your community.

That's part of the job.

It's like saying that being a skydiving instructor is all about bringing students into the skydiving world, but the job is mainly about talking, filling out paperwork and watching students lie on creepers.

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It's like saying that being a skydiving instructor is all about bringing students into the skydiving world, but the job is mainly about talking, filling out paperwork and watching students lie on creepers.

Right. So the job is bringing students into the skydiving world.

The tasks and skills used to accomplish this job are:

Communicating
Paperwork
Observing and correcting etc.

Serving the community isn't part of the job. It is the job. The tasks and skills used to are indeed varied.

Anyways semantics. I had left it until you brought it up again.