Possible terrorist attack - Orlando, FL 6-12-16

[winsor 236]

  ryoder

Chris Hayes interview.
Choose the video "Orlando man recognized gunman from gay dating apps": http://www.msnbc.com/all

This kind of fits.

Anytime someone gets all worked up about homosexuality, I begin to suspect that their concern is personal.

If it does not cost me anything, my basic reaction is 'so what?' Getting into the gory details of one's sex life is Too Much Information, regardless of the particulars.

"I'm not getting any." (Nothing I can/will do about it)

"I find men attractive." (I'm not on the menu)

"I want to find a woman." (Can't help you there, sport)

"I'm a lesbian." (Me too, but I'm trapped in a man's body)

Etc.

Things gay are on a par with Lithuanian Folk Dancing from where I sit. It may be great for the participants, but is not of the slightest concern to me in an operational sense.

"I've decided to get into Lithuanian Folk Dancing."

"That's nice. Don't stub your toe."

Anyhow, in the same sense that I raise an eyebrow when a televangelist gets worked up in a lather about one form of 'sin' or another, the fixation of Islam with homosexuality suggests that it is a real issue with those concerned.

The Islamic angle in this case is most likely a red herring. He apparently claimed association with al Qaeda (Sunni) as well as Hezbollah (Shiite), so he was clueless on that count. He came from a seriously dysfunctional background that happened to be Islamic, but it appears that his demons were very personal.

We have a tendency to overreact to horrific events, and the tendency to impose limitations across the board in the hope of putting a leash on fuckheads like this is a routine, and routinely ineffective, response.


BSBD,

Winsor

[ryoder 1,590]

  winsor

The Islamic angle in this case is most likely a red herring. He apparently claimed association with al Qaeda (Sunni) as well as Hezbollah (Shiite), so he was clueless on that count. He came from a seriously dysfunctional background that happened to be Islamic, but it appears that his demons were very personal.

Agreed.
As I was waking up this morning, I heard part of an NPR interview with some official connected with the case who was expressing the same view. His ex-wife (whose family rescued her from him) is even calling him "mentally unstable".

And this is from a former co-worker: http://www.wptv.com/news/region-st-lucie-county/i-saw-it-coming-former-co-worker-talks-about-omar-mateen

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,106]

  ryoder

His ex-wife (whose family rescued her from him) is even calling him "mentally unstable".

I hold this truth to be self-evident.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RMK 3]

  RonD1120

Two radicalized Islamic terrorists from the same FL mosque. Here is an explanation as to why the FBI investigations failed.

http://floridafamily.org/full_article.php?article_no=564

I knew this was going in the direction of "Obama" before, I even clicked Ron's link. But God Damn, it's literally the first three words of the rambling diatribe.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[gowlerk 2,249]

  RMK

***Two radicalized Islamic terrorists from the same FL mosque. Here is an explanation as to why the FBI investigations failed.

http://floridafamily.org/full_article.php?article_no=564

I knew this was going in the direction of "Obama" before, I even clicked Ron's link. But God Damn, it's literally the first three words of the rambling diatribe.


I hope you read all the way down to the "Donate" button on the bottom of the page.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[normiss 851]

Well, it IS hate group, what would you expect?
It's one guy, that's it. It's a laughable "group".

[ryoder 1,590]

"Orlando Shooter’s Wife Reportedly Knew Of His Plans For Attack"
(his *second* wife)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/orlando-shooter-wife-knew_us_57602de6e4b071ec19ef4490

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[RonD1120 62]

And he continues to make me sick.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/obama-rips-trump-over-proposed-muslim-ban-radical-islam-rhetoric/ar-AAh2FiX?ocid=spartanntp

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[gowlerk 2,249]

  RonD1120

And he continues to make me sick.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/obama-rips-trump-over-proposed-muslim-ban-radical-islam-rhetoric/ar-AAh2FiX?ocid=spartanntp

And he continues to be a far better man, and a far better Christian than you, or I could ever hope to be.

(edited to soften the blow to Ron)

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[RonD1120 62]

And yet another PA comes my way. No sweat....

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[turtlespeed 226]

  gowlerk

***And he continues to make me sick.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/obama-rips-trump-over-proposed-muslim-ban-radical-islam-rhetoric/ar-AAh2FiX?ocid=spartanntp

And he continues to be a far better man, and a far better Christian than you could ever hope to be.

Insulting much? Gheeze!

I have to admit though, he has a point.

When you encounter a hornets nest, get a plan together for removing it as safely as possible.

No sense in poking the hornets nest.

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WASHINGTON — President Obama passionately rebuked critics who say he should condemn terrorists as "radical Islamists," saying calling the Islamic State by another name will do nothing to defeat it — and could be counterproductive.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[gowlerk 2,249]

  RonD1120

And yet another PA comes my way. No sweat....

I've edited that to show a little humility. Don't feel too bad, BHO is a far better man than most of us can be.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[normiss 851]

It's amazing to see you refute logic.

[DanG 1]

I guess President Bush also made you sick when he insisted we weren't at war with Islam.

Or was it okay then?

- Dan G

[normiss 851]

The Bushes were appointed by god, so I'd imagine he's cool with that.

[JohnnyMarko 1]

Geez, some of you can't stand posting without pushing your own political agendas. I know, I know, if I don't like it then leave. It's impossible to have any sort of adult discussion on this website/platform, which is why I don't come here much these days.

Sons, daughters, girlfriends, boyfriends, friends, partners, have all died as a result of this attack. Yet you resort to republican v democrat, religious v non-religious, personal attacks.

Sometimes I come here and see the same BS I witnessed at the drop zone, which makes me so glad I got out of skydiving. Y'all got some super inflated egos. I may only be 26, but I feel so much more mature than half of you sometimes. Grow up.

[RonD1120 62]

Logic has no part in my emotions.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

When GWB was president I was at war with Islam.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[tonyhays 86]

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When GWB was president I was at war with Islam.

Congratulations.....you are part of the problem.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[DanG 1]

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When GWB was president I was at war with Islam.

Nice dodge.

Were you angry at GWB for not saying that the US was at war with Islam? What has changed?

- Dan G

[Stumpy 284]

  tonyhays

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When GWB was president I was at war with Islam.

Congratulations.....you are part of the problem.

Don't worry. For Ron, "Being at war with" = hiding from

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[RonD1120 62]

I honestly do not remember any conversations with friends where we discussed being at war with Islam. It was just understood. Don't you remember the saying at the time, "9/11 taught me all I need to know about Islam."

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rushmc 23]

  RonD1120

I honestly do not remember any conversations with friends where we discussed being at war with Islam. It was just understood. Don't you remember the saying at the time, "9/11 taught me all I need to know about Islam."

I have been (for the most part) lurking this thread.

One thing we have to remember. Those here who come from the left are angered and disappointed that this shooter was not a white supremacist tea party member who hated gays and who got his gun illegally. Because of this they feel they have been cheated out of political opportunity.

AND

Since this shooter was a non-white Muslim who spewed hatred for gays (which it is reported he was gay), blacks and non Muslims, he (and this incident) is now a threat to that very agenda the left wishes to push.

So now we got the NAACP saying it is still the fault of white Christians who hate gays even though that group has no finger prints on this one at all!! (fucking ass holes)

Along with a push to put an un-Constitutional gun purchase ban on those who are arbitrarily put on some list that has no due process to it at all, (Typical left move) while all the long spewing that the right wants to take away freedoms. Hypocrites! Along with other gun measures which the left even admits would not have stopped this slaughter.

So my suggestion is to just sit back and watch the temper tantrums they are throwing, point your finger at them and laugh out loud

I am.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[RonD1120 62]

Thanks, that ^ definitely started my day with a laugh.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rushmc 23]

  RonD1120

Thanks, that ^ definitely started my day with a laugh.

You know, what I find interesting is the interviews with US Muslims about this guy and his (reportedly) being gay.

They are saying that this guy would be the absolute most conflicted, self loathing a person could ever be because he was Muslim and he was gay.

I do not think I could come to understand that level of confusion about ones self being.

Such a tragedy all the way around.

The other thing I find interesting is the stories about all the people, whites, blacks, Christians, non-Christians who should up a blood centers to donate.

Does not seem to fit the narrative of a racist, homophobic bigoted country. Go figure

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln