Coreeece 2 #151 June 20, 2016 billvon>If you look purely at the numbers and odds, Christians are far, far, far more likely to be >investigated by federal authorities. In terms of absolute numbers - definitely. Of course, this is because they are far, far, far more likely to commit the crimes in the first place. Similar to how blacks in inner cities like Detroit are more likely to commit crimes and get arrested by local authorities - but that of course has less to do with their skin color/religious beliefs, and more to do with the higher number of cops working in large densely populated areas, among other socioeconomic factors.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #152 June 20, 2016 Coreeece***>If you look purely at the numbers and odds, Christians are far, far, far more likely to be >investigated by federal authorities. In terms of absolute numbers - definitely. Of course, this is because they are far, far, far more likely to commit the crimes in the first place. Similar to how blacks in inner cities like Detroit are more likely to commit crimes and get arrested by local authorities - but that of course has less to do with their skin color/religious beliefs, and more to do with the higher number of cops working in large densely populated areas, among other socioeconomic factors. A third rail issue is that there are different standards from one community to another regarding criminality. Living in other countries where I was initially unfamiliar with quite who was how, I was struck by how vastly different were the standards of behavior between one group and another, who would otherwise appear to be interchangeable to the uninitiated. For example, when the population around was entirely from Group A, you could leave your bicycle against a tree overnight, and your only concern was it being out in the rain. OTOH, when Group B was present, there was a strong chance that your locked bike would be stolen anyway. This is not to say that there was no crime among Group A or that Group B consisted entirely of criminals, but if someone from Group A stole something they would keep it to themselves, but someone from Group B would brag about it and the rest of Group B seemed resigned to this behavior as a reality. In Serbia, automobiles were taxed 100% at the border, and the police made something like $200/week (maybe a month?), but nobody batted an eye at a police sergeant driving a brand new Audi A6. Perhaps the police were Very Skilled Investors, but I doubt it. In Switzerland, some guys from Sicily with whom I worked complained that, when the Swiss cops pulled you over, they actually intended to give you a citation. They were particularly incensed that, if you tried to make an on the spot donation to the policeman, you would be instantly locked up for doing so. Americans make the mistake of assuming that everyone has the same fundamental values. From my experience, nothing could be further from the truth. Quite what constitutes 'good' or 'bad' depends very much on who you ask. Some variations in culture are geographic, some are occupational, and some are demographic. There are striking differences between Yuma and Brooklyn, between Landscapers and Attorneys, and between immigrants and 3rd generation citizens. Thus, oversimplifying any observation regarding population dilutes its veracity. Then again, as The Onion put it, stereotypes are a real time saver. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 318 #153 June 20, 2016 jakee Quote Um... I read the article. Total diversion. A columnist is claiming she heard the comments, yet no attribution for the speaker is offered. No, it's actually worse than that. The quote comes from a column in the DCGazette (self proclaimed "America's best conservative new source"{sic}) by Vianna Vaughan. Ms Vaughan herself invented the comment as a parody of what she felt a liberal might say simply so that she could point out how nice Chik-Fil-A are for helping people even though they don't like them. It's then been picked up by the right wing echo chamber and misrepresented as something an actual liberal said so it can be used to show, again, how silly liberals are. You can see the same thing in this very thread where RushMc imagined something that Obama might say, then used the imaginary quote as a reason why Obama is ridicules {sic}, except these people have a national outlet for their nonsense. Yes, this was my premise, but I wanted to go one step further. This is not new, but that particular "article" was an excellent example of how it happens every day, so easily. Someone says, "I wouldn't be surprised to hear" something, which someone repeats as, "my friend heard someone say" that same thing. This very quickly snowballs. Reminds me of visiting my cousin in 2008 before the elections. He considers himself on the liberal side, married into a very conservative family. It was painful watching both sides of the argument between my cousin and his brothers-in-law: [in-law]: Obama refuses to wear an American flag pin on his lapel! (bullshit story that had nothing to do with anyone's qualifications, and had been "debunked" months before anyway) [cousin]: But Obama is for change (keep in mind cousin couldn't tell you what he thought needed to be changed) Neither could tell you anything about either candidate's platform.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #154 June 20, 2016 So what caused the FBI to investigate the shooter a couple years ago? A fellow Muslim reported him. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/20/i-reported-omar-mateen-to-the-fbi-trump-is-wrong-that-muslims-dont-do-our-part/"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #155 June 21, 2016 Shows what an idiot Trump is and how is pandering to the millions of knuckle dragging, mouth breathing neckbeards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #156 June 21, 2016 SkyDekkerShows what an idiot Trump is and how is pandering to the millions of knuckle dragging, mouth breathing neckbeards If there are enough of said troglodytes voting to get him elected, I suppose it is a valid strategy. Maybe there are enough airheads voting for Hillary to keep him out of office, but I am underwhelmed by either eventuality. Welcome to the future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #157 June 21, 2016 winsor***Shows what an idiot Trump is and how is pandering to the millions of knuckle dragging, mouth breathing neckbeards If there are enough of said troglodytes voting to get him elected, I suppose it is a valid strategy. Maybe there are enough airheads voting for Hillary to keep him out of office, but I am underwhelmed by either eventuality. Welcome to the future. As I see it: You can hold your nose and vote for Hillary, you can waste your vote by not voting or voting for a 3rd party or write-in candidate, you can admit to being a racist xenophobic hate-filled moron and vote for Trump.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #158 June 21, 2016 I choose patriotic capitalist loving American voting for Trump.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #159 June 21, 2016 RonD1120I choose patriotic capitalist loving American voting for Trump. QED... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #160 June 21, 2016 RonD1120I choose patriotic capitalist loving American voting for Trump. How about "Sucker falling for a con man's slick line"? If he wins, and does to the US what he did to Atlantic City, hiding in the mountains of North Georgia may very well turn out to be a good choice."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #161 June 21, 2016 wolfriverjoe***I choose patriotic capitalist loving American voting for Trump. How about "Sucker falling for a con man's slick line"? If he wins, and does to the US what he did to Atlantic City, hiding in the mountains of North Georgia may very well turn out to be a good choice. Well, shifting to my other hat, I do believe America is facing impending judgment as did Israel.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #162 June 21, 2016 kallend******Shows what an idiot Trump is and how is pandering to the millions of knuckle dragging, mouth breathing neckbeards If there are enough of said troglodytes voting to get him elected, I suppose it is a valid strategy. Maybe there are enough airheads voting for Hillary to keep him out of office, but I am underwhelmed by either eventuality. Welcome to the future. As I see it: You can hold your nose and vote for Hillary, you can waste your vote by not voting or voting for a 3rd party or write-in candidate, you can admit to being a racist xenophobic hate-filled moron and vote for Trump. Jesus John - Load your statements one sided much? The way I see it - You can be a morally corrupt, disgusting excuse for a human being and vote for Hillary You can help assure that a third party gets funding in the next election You can prove to the world that there is a really hateful side of America and vote for Trump.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #163 June 21, 2016 turtlespeedThe way I see it - You can be a morally corrupt, disgusting excuse for a human being and vote for Hillary You can help assure that a third party gets funding in the next election You can prove to the world that there is a really hateful side of America and vote for Trump. ^^ this - you realize that's not good enough for dems on this site - you also realize that it caused him physical pain to type "hold your nose" because Hillary is a democrat and 'her' people truly do believe she's perfect and all the evidence against her is made up thus 'hold you nose' is just a fib to make the choice seem more palatable to the dumb people that disagree with them expressing a distaste for Hillary in front of many is considered the equivalent of full bore Trump support and the associated labeling and name calling and social pressures ensue - despite expressing a deeper and more profound distaste for Donald within the same breath - they are physically INCAPABLE of understanding that people despise both for many many reasons ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #164 June 21, 2016 QuoteIf he wins, and does to the US what he did to Atlantic City, hiding in the mountains of North Georgia may very well turn out to be a good choice. Thus proving Ron right. Why wouldn't he go for that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #165 June 21, 2016 The sheer depth of your hypocrisy never fails to entertain. Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #166 June 21, 2016 kallend***I choose patriotic capitalist loving American voting for Trump. QED I love that acronym, Quit Expecting Discourse.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #167 June 21, 2016 Quoteexpressing a distaste for Hillary in front of many is considered the equivalent of full bore Trump support and the associated labeling and name calling and social pressures ensue - despite expressing a deeper and more profound distaste for Donald within the same breath - they are physically INCAPABLE of understanding that people despise both for many many reasons That hasn't been my experience at all. I've yet to meet anyone who is a true Hillary supporter. My wife (who is self-described as slightly to the left of Karl Marx) doesn't like Hillary. I'm much more of a centrist (SC translation: liberal commie scum) and I don't like Hillary either. Both of us are going to vote for her because Trump is an affront to everything that America stands for. I wish I could vote for a third party, but the possibility of Trump winning my state is non-zero so I can't do anything that might help that happen. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #168 June 21, 2016 I finally understand how the bible makes sense to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #169 June 21, 2016 jakee The sheer depth of your hypocrisy never fails to entertain. you're a waste of oxygen, Jakee. get some therapy DanG took the time for an honest answer without insult ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #170 June 21, 2016 rehmwa***The way I see it - You can be a morally corrupt, disgusting excuse for a human being and vote for Hillary You can help assure that a third party gets funding in the next election You can prove to the world that there is a really hateful side of America and vote for Trump. ^^ this - you realize that's not good enough for dems on this site - you also realize that it caused him physical pain to type "hold your nose" because Hillary is a democrat and 'her' people truly do believe she's perfect and all the evidence against her is made up thus 'hold you nose' is just a fib to make the choice seem more palatable to the dumb people that disagree with them expressing a distaste for Hillary in front of many is considered the equivalent of full bore Trump support and the associated labeling and name calling and social pressures ensue - despite expressing a deeper and more profound distaste for Donald within the same breath - they are physically INCAPABLE of understanding that people despise both for many many reasons I do not admire Hillary. I wish she had not run. I wish she had not secured the DEM nomination. Of the realistic choices for November, she is still preferable by far to Trump.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #171 June 21, 2016 kallendI do not admire Hillary. I wish she had not run. I wish she had not secured the DEM nomination. Of the realistic choices for November, she is still preferable by far to Trump. fair enough, I shouldn't have lumped you in with the bots from around here - difficult when one expresses the exact same 4 bullets and gets accused of all sorts of things ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #172 June 21, 2016 wolfriverjoe***I choose patriotic capitalist loving American voting for Trump. How about "Sucker falling for a con man's slick line"? . that is how we got what we currently have. And it would be a bunch of suckers......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #173 June 21, 2016 rehmwa***I do not admire Hillary. I wish she had not run. I wish she had not secured the DEM nomination. Of the realistic choices for November, she is still preferable by far to Trump. fair enough, I shouldn't have lumped you in with the bots from around here - difficult when one expresses the exact same 4 bullets and gets accused of all sorts of things Actually, I am not convinced she will being the nominee in the end. I still think Biden may end up with it. Not prediction, just a gut feeling."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #174 June 21, 2016 rushmc******I do not admire Hillary. I wish she had not run. I wish she had not secured the DEM nomination. Of the realistic choices for November, she is still preferable by far to Trump. fair enough, I shouldn't have lumped you in with the bots from around here - difficult when one expresses the exact same 4 bullets and gets accused of all sorts of things Actually, I am not convinced she will being the nominee in the end. I still think Biden may end up with it. Not prediction, just a gut feeling. And how do you feel about The Donald? Back on March 18 you told us that you really don't like him.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #175 June 21, 2016 rushmcActually, I am not convinced she will being the nominee in the end. I still think Biden may end up with it. Not prediction, just a gut feeling. I'd be thrilled if both parties would hijack the system and offer two different people. Then both parties implode and we get a different set of choices next time. If only one party did it, I think it would be a high chance they'd win the election and disband the party - that's a win/win in my book regardless of who does it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
