Baton Rouge Police Shooting

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Officers likely had not been interviewed by investigators, as the agency typically gives its lawmen 24 hours before questioning them after this type of incident, he said.

“We give officers normally a day or so to go home and think about it” before being interviewed, McKneely said. He said being part of a shooting is a stressful situation that can produce “tunnel vision” for the officers involved and might not lead to the best information.

From:

http://theadvocate.com/news/16311988-77/report-one-baton-rouge-police-officer-involved-in-fatal-shooting-of-suspect-on-north-foster-drive

Have to make sure the officers can discuss what happened and get all their stories aligned, so that the truthiness can come out.

[kallend 2,150]

SkyDekker

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Officers likely had not been interviewed by investigators, as the agency typically gives its lawmen 24 hours before questioning them after this type of incident, he said.

“We give officers normally a day or so to go home and think about it” before being interviewed, McKneely said. He said being part of a shooting is a stressful situation that can produce “tunnel vision” for the officers involved and might not lead to the best information.

From:

http://theadvocate.com/news/16311988-77/report-one-baton-rouge-police-officer-involved-in-fatal-shooting-of-suspect-on-north-foster-drive

Have to make sure the officers can discuss what happened and get all their stories aligned, so that the truthiness can come out.

From NPR:

"One of the first things the Baton Rouge Police Department did," Jordan said, was "to go and confiscate the video system from Triple S Food Mart."

"Citing a statement from the store's owner, Jordan said that Abdullah Muflahi was ordered to sit in his car outside the store while police took the equipment, and that he was not presented with a search warrant."

Maybe there will be an 18 minute gap in the tape.

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[normiss 897]

Just not the "justified" part.

[ryoder 1,590]

Another video from different angle: http://digg.com/video/alton-sterling-shooting-video-gun

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Blacksmith311 0]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/us/alton-sterling-shooting-death/ The media released this yesterday, but the DOJ will not give official notice until today. Standard SOP for the US to leak everything to the press?

[normiss 897]

Sessions isn't going to support many investigations into local police shootings.
Besides, he wants cops to do as they please with no oversight by the feds.

Unless it's immigration.
Oh, also unless it's drug laws.
Oops, laughing, he wants to prosecute people for laughing too.
Flag burning, he'll jail you for that.
Gays will be legally prosecuted for loving each other.

But shooting black people, that's ok.

[DJL 235]

normiss

But shooting black people, that's ok.

And oddly the Republican Party won't shut up about being the party of Lincoln as if they exist to improve the lives of black people.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[skycop 0]

He fought the officers, then fought through a Taser deployment, then went for a gun in his pocket.

If you do that, you do so at your own peril, regardless of race.

They responded initially to the report of a man with a gun.

This is a non-starter, just like Charlotte, but please, keep rehashing, it makes the facts change in the way you want them to.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

You do realize that:

A) The prosecutors didn't say that the cops didn't commit a crime. They said that the video didn't have enough proof for them to move forward.

B) State charges are still a possibility.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[skycop 0]

Charges are highly unlikely, but politics being politics anything is possible.

You do realize that when the cops kill someone it's homicide by definition.

Police work is unique in the fact that you are investigated for committing a crime, even when you are 100% justified in regards to deadly force and doing your job.

Here is an example very similar, with the exception of the service call of a man with a gun. These officers could have used deadly force, but didn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYTBTw-_TCI

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

skycop

Charges are highly unlikely, but politics being politics anything is possible.

You do realize that when the cops kill someone it's homicide by definition.

Police work is unique in the fact that you are investigated for committing a crime, even when you are 100% justified in regards to deadly force.

When anyone kills someone, it's homicide by definition. Maybe justifiable, maybe not.

And it should be investigated. Properly. Not just "papered over" (you know, like the McDonald shooting in Chicago).

And have you any experience with the civilian side of use of deadly force?
If a cop shoots someone, he goes on paid leave. He typically waits a day or two or three (depends) before being Debriefed (questioned). He always has a union lawyer at his side during this debriefing.

If a civilian shoots someone, even when the circumstances are very clear and totally justified, he gets arrested. Unless he is reasonably smart and invokes his right to remain silent and to an attorney, the cops will want to interrogate him immediately (on scene). The cops will use all of their interrogation techniques to get the shooter to incriminate himself.
Funny thing. If a citizen lies to the cops during an interrogation, it's "obstruction".
If a cop lies to a citizen during that very same interrogation, it's "technique."

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[skycop 0]

You are also comparing apples to oranges.

Officers are exposed to violence and potential violence much more often than citizens.

Union lawyer? The vast amount of departments are non-union at-will employees. Many (including me) have to pay for legal insurance for additional legal coverage out of their pockets to receive sound legal council.

Every officer is one critical incident away from having the 24 hour news cycle come crashing down on them, and the internet/armchair/Facebook keyboard warriors as well.
EVEN WHEN THEY ARE JUSTIFIED, ask Darren Wilson or the officer in Charlotte.

This is why the due process is a bit different, but not that different. If a citizen uses deadly force, it's stupid not to lawyer up immediately and be adequately represented.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"