Obama's legacy

[winsor 236]

JerryBaumchen

Hi winsor,

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Given free rein, I could correct the system in one fell swoop.

Explain?

Jerry Baumchen

PS) Ronald Reagan had 15 words solutions to every problem because he could not understand the problems.

Basically you decouple the litigation lottery and require a posted menu of services with prices.

I can go over 15 words if absolutely necessary.

[normiss 801]

I think it will depend on which parts 'fail'.
Here's some pretty good points on that.

I'm still fortunate to work for a large company with good benefits, so I've pretty much been non-impacted by most of it.
Having domestic partner coverage and some of the other coverage/benefits changes were pretty nice though.

[brenthutch 444]

Your article is just parroting what I said earlier in this thread, "The only people that are currently being helped by Obamacare, are the "free stuff from the Government" crowd".

We already have at least one county with NO coverage available through the Obamacare exchanges. I predict there will be many more to come, and that makes me sad.

[jakee 1,490]

brenthutch

Your article is just parroting what I said earlier in this thread, "The only people that are currently being helped by Obamacare, are the "free stuff from the Government" crowd".

And as I said earlier, what is your point?

Government funded healthcare is supposed to benefit those who can't afford private healthcare...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[gowlerk 2,193]

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We already have at least one county with NO coverage available through the Obamacare exchanges. I predict there will be many more to come, and that makes me sad.

Awww... don't let it bring you down. Hillary will soon ride to the rescue!

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[normiss 801]

I don't think it actually does.

[DanG 1]

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We already have at least one county with NO coverage available through the Obamacare exchanges.

So people in that county are in the same boat they were in before Obamacare.

- Dan G

[headoverheels 333]

DanG

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We already have at least one county with NO coverage available through the Obamacare exchanges.

So people in that county are in the same boat they were in before Obamacare.

Not quite. Other health insurance, not through the ACA exhanges, now has to meet additional requirements that it didn't before.

[DanG 1]

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Not quite. Other health insurance, not through the ACA exhanges, now has to meet additional requirements that it didn't before.

True. Obviously there are two sides to that coin: the insurance is likely more expensive, but the insurance isn't totally shitty and useless.

- Dan G

[brenthutch 444]

DanG

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Not quite. Other health insurance, not through the ACA exhanges, now has to meet additional requirements that it didn't before.

True. Obviously there are two sides to that coin: the insurance is likely more expensive, but the insurance isn't totally shitty and useless.

Yes, a gay fifty year old can only buy health insurance that covers birth control, because the government knows what his needs are better than he does.

[brenthutch 444]

DanG

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We already have at least one county with NO coverage available through the Obamacare exchanges.

So people in that county are in the same boat they were in before Obamacare.

Except they were not required, under the penalty of imprisonment, to buy health insurance.

[gowlerk 2,193]

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Except they were not required, under the penalty of imprisonment, to buy health insurance.

Prison?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[brenthutch 444]

jakee

***Your article is just parroting what I said earlier in this thread, "The only people that are currently being helped by Obamacare, are the "free stuff from the Government" crowd".

And as I said earlier, what is your point?

Government funded healthcare is supposed to benefit those who can't afford private healthcare...

Then why the mandate? Why not just give the poor some more free shit? Hell, why not just give everybody free shit? Yay! Free shit for everybody! Wow this is awesome, why did it take me so long to come around? Free housing! Free education! Free food, Free health care! Wow! This is great! Thanks guys for showing me the light! This is so much easier than using my brain! Thanks again!

[normiss 801]

Proving again how little you understand of the issues.

[brenthutch 444]

gowlerk

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Except they were not required, under the penalty of imprisonment, to buy health insurance.

Prison?

If one does not pay the fine (for not buying insurance that is not available) one is subject to the same penalties as one who does not pay their taxes, which, yes does include prison.

[gowlerk 2,193]

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If one does not pay the fine (for not buying insurance that is not available) one is subject to the same penalties as one who does not pay their taxes, which, yes does include prison.

Wrong. You can go to jail for evading taxes, or failing to file, but not for failing to pay. That would be debtor's prison. Even Obama doesn't do that. And it is not a fine. It is a tax. The SC said so.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[brenthutch 444]

gowlerk

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If one does not pay the fine (for not buying insurance that is not available) one is subject to the same penalties as one who does not pay their taxes, which, yes does include prison.

Wrong. You can go to jail for evading taxes, or failing to file, but not for failing to pay. That would be debtor's prison. Even Obama doesn't do that. And it is not a fine. It is a tax. The SC said so.

"In some cases, the Internal Revenue Service will recommend that someone be prosecuted for tax fraud if he or she has not paid taxes."

https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=37722

[billvon 2,991]

>In some cases, the Internal Revenue Service will recommend that someone be
>prosecuted for tax fraud if he or she has not paid taxes.

Yep, you can be prosecuted if you don't pay your taxes. Did you sprain your back trying to twist that into "required under the penalty of imprisonment to buy health insurance?"

Next up - Brenthutch will demonstrate how Obama will jail you for refusing to kill your grandma.

[normiss 801]

His entire premise for this thread is, like that last comment, a stretch.

[jakee 1,490]

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Why not just give the poor some more free shit?

You tell me?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wmw999 2,447]

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birth control

I've been paying for insurance that covers Viagra

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[brenthutch 444]

That is the problem. The one size fits all solution, being promulgated by big government lefties does not work and we are seeing its collapse right before our eyes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2016/08/22/an-october-surprise-for-obamacare/

[billvon 2,991]

> The one size fits all solution

That's called "insurance." You may never get lung cancer - but your insurance payments go towards paying for a woman who has metastatic lung cancer. She might never get prostate cancer, but she will pay to treat you when YOU get it.

You cannot decide "well, I'm not going to pay for anyone with lung cancer, because I don't smoke!" That's not how insurance works.

[normiss 801]

Man, you just have to keep throwing facts out there as if they mean something.
Where is your emotional response of outrage?

[wmw999 2,447]

Except hat I was paying for Viagra long before Obamacare. And my company definitely didn't lean left. As Bill said, it's kinda the nature of insurance.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)