Obama's legacy

[brenthutch 444]

jakee

******Interesting how you put religion and medical associations on the same playing field.

Why should one voluntary group association be different from any other?

I'd be surprised if anyone was raised from childhood as an AAPS follower.

Ellison converted as an adult.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

brenthutch

******Interesting how you put religion and medical associations on the same playing field.

Why should one voluntary group association be different from any other?

Because one donates money to one group and... uh...oh...never mind.

Donations to many religious groups are voluntarily. Membership dues to a medical association are not.

One is a belief structure. The other an association of people whose job should be grounded in science, not belief.

I see more differences than similarities, but am not surprised many here do not.

[yoink 321]

Here's one of Obama's legacies:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38181041

US unemployment rate at 9 year low. Let's see if that trend continues with Trump.

[brenthutch 444]

Driven by a record low labor participation rate, hardly anything to brag about. While I am not a big Trump fan his impending presidency is already having a positive impact on our economy and markets.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

brenthutch

Driven by a record low labor participation rate, hardly anything to brag about. While I am not a big Trump fan his impending presidency is already having a positive impact on our economy and markets.

Undoubtedly true. The markets love federal money. Tax dollars for jobs will be well received.

Billionaires in cabinet ensuring protection for Wall Street will be very well received.

A cabinet of Billionaires and Generals by the guy who has people convinced he is going to look out for the common man. Interesting times.

Personally I have concerns with a cabinet run by billionaires and generals, but ymmv.

[brenthutch 444]

Well maybe it is time to see what this economy can do once the government takes its foot of of the necks of banks, businesses and fossil fuels.

[billvon 2,991]

> . . .once the government takes its foot of of the necks of banks, businesses and fossil fuels.

And moves its foot onto the necks of the people.

Who do you think is going to pay for all that pork?

[Lawndarter 3]

brenthutch

Driven by a record low labor participation rate, hardly anything to brag about. While I am not a big Trump fan his impending presidency is already having a positive impact on our economy and markets.

Welcome to something called "demographics". Labour participation is dropping because the baby boomers are retiring.

brenthutch

Well maybe it is time to see what this economy can do once the government takes its foot of of the necks of banks, businesses and fossil fuels.

Hmm. Well, maybe the banks can get back to running the casino that caused the global financial collapse back in 2008, by letting the derivatives market turn into a giant shell game again. And fossil fuels? Coal's dead, it's not coming back. And that's not a bad thing. Coal brought the folks in Appalachia who mined it generations of poverty and misery, and the money it made for the folks who owned the mines never really benefited them much.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

> . . .once the government takes its foot of of the necks of banks, businesses and fossil fuels.

And moves its foot onto the necks of the people.

Who do you think is going to pay for all that pork?

I think a few of you are making assumptions based on emotions.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 801]

I don't think you understand how all that government money works.

It will cost trillions.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

I don't think you understand how all that government money works.

It will cost trillions.

Of course

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,193]

brenthutch

Well maybe it is time to see what this economy can do once the government takes its foot of of the necks of banks, businesses and fossil fuels.

Putting a foot on the neck of business is exactly what he just did in Indianapolis. It's being celebrated in the next thread over ya know.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[brenthutch 444]

Lawndarter

***Driven by a record low labor participation rate, hardly anything to brag about. While I am not a big Trump fan his impending presidency is already having a positive impact on our economy and markets.

Welcome to something called "demographics". Labour participation is dropping because the baby boomers are retiring

And are being replaced by an even more populous demographic, Millennials. Welcome to something called math.

[normiss 801]

Arguing against the fake news and numbers doesn't seem to be helping.

[brenthutch 444]

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/25/millennials-overtake-baby-boomers/

I guess you don't trust the government.

[normiss 801]

umm...I was agreeing with you.
It's just repeatedly proving to be a waste of time to try and present anything factual these days.

[brenthutch 444]

Sorry I thought you were questioning my source.

[normiss 801]

Other than their source for some funding, they have always seemed to be an above board non-profit IMO.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Arguing against the fake news and numbers doesn't seem to be helping.

It didnt help Hillary.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Well, labor participation rates are a little more complicated than "Obama bad"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-19/why-labor-force-participation-is-still-so-low

- Dan G

[billvon 2,991]

>Well, labor participation rates are a little more complicated than "Obama bad"

No it's not; not for them.

Employment up under a Republican - good; he made America great again.
Employment up under Obama - it's not really up because XXX.

Employment down under a Republican - It's Obama's fault.
Employment down under Obama - See, told you.

[brenthutch 444]

DanG

Well, labor participation rates are a little more complicated than "Obama bad"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-19/why-labor-force-participation-is-still-so-low

Just as low unemployment rates are more nuanced than "Obama good." As a side note, monthly income dropped. Now way to spin that into a positive.

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brenthutch

Well maybe it is time to see what this economy can do once the government takes its foot of of the necks of banks, businesses and fossil fuels.

I agree. Let's see what happens... I'm willing to see how it pans out.

You, on the other hand, are already making excuses about the metrics that will be used in retrospect. You're making excuses for shit that hasn't happened yet.


The unemployment rate is at a 9 year low. That's a fact. You CANNOT argue it rationally. In fact it's almost back to where it was just before the collapse in 2009.

If it keeps getting lower over the next 4 years, then I'd say the government is doing a good job in that respect. If it doesn't, it isn't.
Come on - man up. Set a goal to measure success by and stick to it. 'Not being Obama' isn't allowed.

More people employed is a good thing. Yes or No?

[yoink 321]

brenthutch

***Well, labor participation rates are a little more complicated than "Obama bad"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-19/why-labor-force-participation-is-still-so-low

Just as low unemployment rates are more nuanced than "Obama good." As a side note, monthly income dropped. Now way to spin that into a positive.


This is YOUR thread. You should have specified if only negative items were allowed. And you've been MASSIVELY oversimplifying economics as long as you've been posting here. Turnaround's a bitch.

Lower overall monthly income is worse than higher overall monthly income.

Lower unemployment is better than higher unemployment.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Having very few people employed but at higher wages would boost the first number but would be really bad for everyone, for example.

Imagine if there was only 1 guy with a job in the US, but he was paid 120,000,000 a year. Average income for a working stiff in the US is 12,000,000! WOW! Nevermind that 99.999999% of people are out of work.

[RonD1120 62]

My Christmas present to the SC.

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The real, factual Obama legacy he leaves behind, that we can measure right now:



A Republican President
A Republican Vice President
Republican control of the Senate
Republican control of the House of Representatives
Republican control of 31 of 50 (62%) state houses
A majority of Republican state governors (36 of 50 or 72%)
Republican control of a majority of county governments
Republican control of a majority of city governments
1/3rd of the Democrat caucus in the House of Representatives comes from only 3 states - California, NY and Massachussetts
That makes the Democrat Party a bi-coastal party - not a national party.


Now THAT is “Hope and Change.”


The Democratic party has evolved into a bigoted, anti semitic, anti Israel group of left leaning liberals who have already done enormous damage to our country---much of which cannot be reversed even with the best intentions of all the new Republicans in power. But we have to move forward and hope for the best.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.