Terror Attack at Munich Mall

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

Hi folks,

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/shots-fired-munich-shopping-center-german-police-say-n615031

What bothers a lot about these attacks is they are what might just put The Donald in the White House.

Jerry Baumchen

[turtlespeed 226]

JerryBaumchen

Hi folks,

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/shots-fired-munich-shopping-center-german-police-say-n615031

What bothers a lot about these attacks is they are what might just put The Donald in the White House.

Jerry Baumchen

THAT is your concern with these attacks?

Fuck the human lives - Ignore the fanatical Islam aspect -

You worry about Trump.

Fucking WOW!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,063]

>THAT is your concern with these attacks?
>Fuck the human lives - Ignore the fanatical Islam aspect -
>You worry about Trump.
>Fucking WOW!

Given that your very first post on the subject (after bemoaning all the "ranting and posturing" that happens on SC) was an attempt to use this tragedy to rant about your political views on immigration, can't take your indignation very seriously somehow.

"How DARE someone use this incident to push a political opinion that isn't mine!"

[quade 4]

I think it's simpler than that when you're talking about Turtle.

All somebody has to do is make a post that says anything and Turtle will simply feign indignation and post an opposing opinion. It doesn't really matter what the topic or opinion of the original poster is either as long as he says something, anything, that he thinks will get a rise.

It's kind of sad really.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

Hi turtle,

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Fucking WOW!

I consider this post of yours as I consider almost everyone of yours: Nothing but garbage

I am concerned about 8 people ( I'm hearing 9 now ) dead in this attack. However, more than 8 people are today listed in the Obituary section of the daily newspaper. I do not know any of them.

I am to cry or something about someone who died somewhere today? Nope.

Jerry Baumchen

[Hooknswoop 19]

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I think it's simpler than that when you're talking about Turtle.

All somebody has to do is make a post that says anything and Turtle will simply feign indignation and post an opposing opinion. It doesn't really matter what the topic or opinion of the original poster is either as long as he says something, anything, that he thinks will get a rise.

It's kind of sad really.

Percent of post that related to "Terror Attack at Munich Mall" = 0%.

Precent of post that related to "Turtle" = 100%

How is this not a personal attack? Just Sayin.

Derek V

[jclalor 12]

JerryBaumchen

Hi folks,

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/shots-fired-munich-shopping-center-german-police-say-n615031

What bothers a lot about these attacks is they are what might just put The Donald in the White House.

Jerry Baumchen

I think Donny would be smart enough to use only a small tactical nuclear weapon in this situation.

[christelsabine 1]

Police in Munich just confirmed:

- One 18 y/o student with hand gun (Glock)
- running amok
- suffered from depression
- killed himself

No Islamic background. No political motivation.

9 (mainly young) people dead, many injured. Via Facebook, the student invited youngsters into the mall for free table.

The student still lived with his parents. In the student's room, the police found information material about persons running amok.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[ryoder 1,590]

I'm sure those facts won't stop ISIS from taking credit for it.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[turtlespeed 226]

christelsabine

Police in Munich just confirmed:

- One 18 y/o student with hand gun (Glock)
- running amok
- suffered from depression
- killed himself

No Islamic background. No political motivation.

9 (mainly young) people dead, many injured. Via Facebook, the student invited youngsters into the mall for free table.

The student still lived with his parents. In the student's room, the police found information material about persons running amok.

How did he get a gun where guns are banned?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Phil1111 1,149]

turtlespeed

***Police in Munich just confirmed:

- One 18 y/o student with hand gun (Glock)
- running amok
- suffered from depression
- killed himself

No Islamic background. No political motivation.

9 (mainly young) people dead, many injured. Via Facebook, the student invited youngsters into the mall for free table.

The student still lived with his parents. In the student's room, the police found information material about persons running amok.

How did he get a gun where guns are banned?

Well guns are not banned. You just have to jump through huge obstacles and pay lots of money to own one.

All excellent points for why gun control seldom works

".A firearms ownership license (Waffenbesitzkarte or WBK) or an entry to an existing WBK is mandatory for each weapon purchased. It entitles owners to purchase firearms and handle them on their own property and any private property with property owner consent. On public premises, a licensed firearm must be transported unloaded and in a stable, fully enclosing, locked container. A weapons ownership license does not entitle the owner to shoot the weapon or carry it on public premises without the prescribed container. Owners must obtain mandatory insurance and a means to securely store the weapon on their premises (a weapons locker). Blanket ownership licenses are issued to arms dealers, firearms experts and – with limitations – to collectors. Today, there are ca. four million legal private gun owners.[15]

A number of criteria must be met before a firearms ownership license is issued:

age of majority (18 years) (§ 4 WaffG)
trustworthiness (§ 5 WaffG)
personal adequacy (§ 6 WaffG)
expert knowledge (§ 7 WaffG) and
necessity (§ 8 WaffG)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany
Everything about the process is EXPENSIVE.

"A German-Iranian teenager who killed nine people and then himself in Munich had undergone psychiatric treatment and was in all probability a lone gunman who had no Islamist militant ties, police said on Saturday.

The 18-year-old, who was born and raised locally, opened fire near a busy shopping mall on Friday, triggering a lockdown in the Bavarian capital in the third act of violence against civilians in Western Europe - and the second in southern Germany - in eight days.

Seven of his victims were themselves teenagers, police said, and Bavarian state crime office president Robert Heimberger said the gunman was carrying more than 300 bullets in his backpack and pistol when he was later found dead of a gunshot wound.

Following a police search of the attacker's room, where a book on teenage shooting sprees was discovered, Munich police chief Hubertus Andrae all but ruled out an Islamist militant link in the attack, in which a further 27 people were wounded - including some hurt when panic spread."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-crime-munich-idUSKCN1021YZ

The report suggests he was of Iranian descent born in Munich. Most Iranians are predominately Shia whereas IS is a Sunni (inspired)movement.

[christelsabine 1]

ryoder

I'm sure those facts won't stop ISIS from taking credit for it.

Sure. Never miss a chance.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[SkyDekker 1,465]

turtlespeed

***Police in Munich just confirmed:

- One 18 y/o student with hand gun (Glock)
- running amok
- suffered from depression
- killed himself

No Islamic background. No political motivation.

9 (mainly young) people dead, many injured. Via Facebook, the student invited youngsters into the mall for free table.

The student still lived with his parents. In the student's room, the police found information material about persons running amok.

How did he get a gun where guns are banned?

And he still killed less than Orlando, where guns are not banned.

I will take 9 dead over 50 dead. Seems like their gun control is working, well at least to your absolutely idiotic logic.

[kallend 2,105]

turtlespeed

***Police in Munich just confirmed:

- One 18 y/o student with hand gun (Glock)
- running amok
- suffered from depression
- killed himself

No Islamic background. No political motivation.

9 (mainly young) people dead, many injured. Via Facebook, the student invited youngsters into the mall for free table.

The student still lived with his parents. In the student's room, the police found information material about persons running amok.

How did he get a gun where guns are banned?


Firearm homicides per 100,000 population:

Germany 0.07

USA 3.43

Maybe that place where "guns are banned" is on to something.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Maybe that place where "guns are banned" is on to something.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.": 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution

Derek V

[normiss 844]

Except they aren't very well regulated at this point.
Hence the problems we're seeing.

[riggerrob 643]

normiss

Except they aren't very well regulated at this point.
Hence the problems we're seeing.

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Unfortunately, most American volunteer "militias" are little more than paranoid, armed rabbles with narrowly-focused political-agendas. Militias' fears of faggots, nigras, beaners, Catholics, communist hordes, etc. make them doubly susceptible to Trump's version of fear-mongering. Trump knows that fear is the quickest motivator and he knows how to "play" the media and "play" voters to get Trump elected to achieve Trump's short-term goals. Sadly, while fear may produce great short-term results, it erodes the confidence needed for long-term success.
Oh! Didn't Hitler start many of his speeches with derogatory comments about: gypsies, communists, homosexuals, Jews, etc. Whichever ethnic group elicited the most boos became the focus of the rest of his speech. Since Jews elicited the most boos, Hitler focused on Jew-bashing. Jew-bashing produced great short-term results for Hitler, but his propsed "Thousand Year Reich" did not last quite as long as Hitler predicted.

The 2nd Ammendment specifies "well regulated militia." The USA already has "well regulated militia" in the form of Air National, Army Reservists, Caoet Guard Auxilliary, etc. Consider how many thousands of Army Reservists and National Guardsmen served in recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.....
Any patriotic American - who wants to join a "militia" would be wise to enlist in his/her nearest USMC Reserve regiment, learn the basics of soldiering in boot camp and swear allegiance to a chain of command that includes might include his State Governor and definitely includes the regular chain of command all the way up through the Pentagon and POTUS.

On a similar note: large numbers of Canadian militiamen .... and militia women (Army Reserve, RCN Reserve and a few RCAF Reserve) served alongside the Regular Canadian Army in Afghanistan. So many Canadian militiamen served in Afghanistan that many units were half reservists on 1-year contracts. A few regular army units were even commanded by militia officers.

[Hooknswoop 19]

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Except they aren't very well regulated at this point.
Hence the problems we're seeing.

What problems are poorly regulated militias causing?

Derek V

[riggerrob 643]

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"A German-Iranian teenager who killed nine people and then himself in Munich had undergone psychiatric treatment and was in all probability a lone gunman who had no Islamist militant ties, police said on Saturday.

The 18-year-old, who was born and raised locally, opened fire near a busy shopping mall on Friday, triggering a lockdown in the Bavarian capital in the third act of violence against civilians in Western Europe - and the second in southern Germany .......

The report suggests he was of Iranian descent born in Munich. Most Iranians are predominately Shia whereas IS is a Sunni (inspired)movement.

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This latest mass-shooting is just the tip of the ice-berg in a long-standing problem of immigrants failing to integrate with mainstream European society.
Over the last 40 years I have seen poorly-integrated immigrants in Canada, the USA, Germany, France, Holland, Switzerland and Portugal, but let's limit today's discussion to immigrants who fail to integrate with German society.
Back in the 1970s, I saw hundreds of Turkish "guest workers" who still wore Turkish clothing, ate Turkish food and lived in run-down Turkish neighbourhoods within the walls of West German cities. Typical behaviour for first-generation immigrants.
During the 1980s I bought a sewing machine in a German store. He advised me buy quickly "before Turks buy them all and ship them home." That Pfaff 230 served me well for many years.
Shortly after the turn of the century a German friend recommended me to serve as the North American Technical Representative for a second German parachute factory. Becoming a Technical Rep included most of the privileges and responsibilities of a DFV Prufur.
A decade later, another Canadian rigger got some confusing responses from the second factory, so I phoned my old friend. He said that a "Turk" had bought the company, knew nothing about parachutes and was running the company into the ground. His pronunciation of "Turk" spoke volumes!

These latest 3 attacks further reinforce the notions that poorly-integrated immigrants are at greatest risk of violent crime.

Before North Americans become too smug, consider how many problems have been created by poorly-integrated immigrants.
Did Beothuks cheerfully greet Vikings.
Did Cape Dorset natives enjoy the Inuits' arrival?
Did Aleuts enjoy working for Russian immigrants?
How much did Salish enjoy white folks "strip-mining" all their fish?
....... criminalizing potlatches?
..... Banning old religions?
Did Abenakis enjoy the Pilgrims' arrival?
Did Hurons survive waves of French immigrants?
Did Latinos enjoy the millions of gringos who emigrated to California?

[riggerrob 643]

Hooknswoop

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Except they aren't very well regulated at this point.
Hence the problems we're seeing.

What problems are poorly regulated militias causing?

Derek V

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Last wintet a group of Montana militiamen barricaded a National Park. The confrontation started over the Park asking a local cattleman to pay for graizing his cattle on National Park land.
A group of self-styled militiamen barricaded themselves in the Park.

The original rancher and his son surrendered to the local sherriff and dis-avowed any connection with the militiamen. Eventually, police starved the militiamen out of the Park.
This is just the latest disagreement over whether cattlemen should pay anything for grazing their cattle on federal land. Some cattlemen have not paid for grazing rights in decades![email]

[normiss 844]

Unnecessary deaths and shootings, irresponsible ownership and storage resulting in shootings, lack of proper background checks, illegal transfer of weapons.

Having a second amendment discussion in the middle of a gun nutter in another country thread feels wrong too.

[riggerrob 643]

***Police in Munich just confirmed:

- One 18 y/o student with hand gun (Glock)

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And the shooter referred to himself as "German?" I call bullshit because a proud German would have fired a quality, German-made pistol. A variety of German factories like Heckler und Koch, Luger, Mauser, SIG/Sauer, Walther, etc. have manufactured millions of well-respected pistols.
Glocks might be good pistols, but they are made in Austria ..... not Germany.

Sadly, that sad young man killed 8-ish other Germans before committing suicide. Suicide is just violence, frustration and anger turned inward.

As an American politician said after an Orlando night club got shot up recently "We need to do more about mental health, especially for young men."

[kallend 2,105]

Hooknswoop

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Maybe that place where "guns are banned" is on to something.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.": 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution

Derek V

The classic fall-back position when logic doesn't work. Appeal to the authority of 250 year old dead white slave owners who had never seen or even conceived of a semi automatic weapon.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Hooknswoop 19]

Kallend:

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"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their...": 13th Amendment to the Constitution.

Kallend:

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The classic fall-back position when logic doesn't work. Appeal to the authority of 250 year old dead white slave owners who had never seen or even conceived of a semi automatic weapon.

I borrowed the tactic from you......

Do you think the entire Constitution should be tosses, since it was written by, "250 year old dead white slave owners"?

Derek V

[Hooknswoop 19]

Wait, are you saying poorly regulated militias are responsible for;

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Unnecessary deaths and shootings, irresponsible ownership and storage resulting in shootings, lack of proper background checks, illegal transfer of weapons.

???

Derek V