btwitche1975 0 #1 July 21, 2006 In my training one of the partial malfuctions I was breifed on was a stuck slider. The course of action to be taken was to pump the brakes twice all of the way (and prepare to chop if this doesnt work). In the example picture I was show the parachute was very slightly inflated, with maybe an eighth of the square footage exposed to the wind and the slider nearly to the top. Botom line is that we are still falling pretty fast. My question is what to do with the toggles when the slider starts sliding and the canopy opens. I think most canopys are designed to open with the brakes set to 50%, but I find it hard to believe that it would possible to hold them ther under opening shock. Full flight seems like a bad idea to me since I think the canopy will surge foward rapidly. Full brakes seem like a bad idea too. What gives? /* This is my rig... There are many like it, but this one is mine. */ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #2 July 21, 2006 #1 listen to your instructors. QuoteIn my training one of the partial malfuctions I was breifed on was a stuck slider. The course of action to be taken was to pump the brakes twice all of the way (and prepare to chop if this doesnt work). Which is 100% correct. QuoteMy question is what to do with the toggles when the slider starts sliding and the canopy opens. Nothing, start flying the canopy. QuoteI think most canopys are designed to open with the brakes set to 50%, but I find it hard to believe that it would possible to hold them ther under opening shock. You would be wrong. It is easy. QuoteFull flight seems like a bad idea to me since I think the canopy will surge foward rapidly. Full brakes seem like a bad idea too. What gives? Most of the energy is gone by the time you get to the question of a stuck slider. And there have been canopies that were designed to open in full flight and in more than half brakes. You should relax....Why would your instructors give you bad advice?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
btwitche1975 0 #3 July 21, 2006 Thanks Not questioning their advice; that part was just not in the traing or SIM. /* This is my rig... There are many like it, but this one is mine. */ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #4 July 21, 2006 QuoteThanks Not questioning their advice; that part was just not in the traing or SIM. Let me guess...You are an engineer right? (Looking at profile....BINGO!!!!) IME, engineers want lots of raw data. It makes them feel better. Nothing really wrong with that except that most people can't process all that information. Thats why it is not in the SIM, or the training....Its not really needed. Also notice that we don't talk about fluid dynamics or laminar flow in the FJC. ALL apply to skydiving, but at the student level it is not needed and most don't want it and it would just confuse them from the really important stuff...Like not dying. Since it would not help if I told you not to worry about the small details that your mind screams are important....You could not ignore the thoughts even if you tried, its how your mind is trained/wired.....Lets just say parachutes are magic and call it a day "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koppel 4 #5 July 21, 2006 QuoteLets just say parachutes are magic and call it a day This I need to add to my LIST for Engineers 1. If it was important my Instructors will tell me 2. When I need to know my Instructors will tell me 3. If my Instructors didn't tell me about that yet it is information that i do not need yet 4. Stop thinking about anything other than what my Instructors told me 5. Litany - "I can be in control without knowing the cosine of the convergant with regards to the nodual co-efficient" 6. Lets just say parachutes are magic and call it a dayI like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
btwitche1975 0 #6 July 21, 2006 Ok, That just getting ragged on. What would the guy who designed your canopy and the plane you ride in think about your list of comments. Oh wait, he doesn't care since he has already been PAID. Fluid dynamics is very important and gaining popularity with teh hot chicks thes days, for your information. /* This is my rig... There are many like it, but this one is mine. */ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 July 22, 2006 QuoteWhat would the guy who designed your canopy and the plane you ride in think about your list of comments. He got through student status first.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #8 July 22, 2006 Quote5. Litany - "I can be in control without knowing the cosine of the convergant with regards to the nodual co-efficient" 6. Lets just say parachutes are magic and call it a day Where's the fun in that? We're sport parachutists not conscripted paratroopers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #9 July 22, 2006 Agree with Ron 100% about #1 listen to your instructors. Do not overlook altitude awareness. Anytime you are dealing with a partial malfunction that you are going to attempt to fix step #1 is to check your altitude and make your decisions based on your altitude - remember your hard deck... and oh yeah, listen to your instructors.Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #10 July 22, 2006 QuoteFluid dynamics is very important and gaining popularity with teh hot chicks thes days, for your information. Hot as in Eva Longoria? Or as in degrees Centigrade? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #11 July 22, 2006 Quote...Fluid dynamics is very important and gaining popularity with teh hot chicks thes days, for your information. Maybe that's where I went wrong...thermodynamics just didn't cut it with the ladies back in the '70s. Analytical types are harder to teach...they're often too hard on themselves and tend to over-think the theoretical when they should be concentrating on the practical. You're not unusual in that respect.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #12 July 24, 2006 the only stupid questions are the ones you don't ask. Don't ever let people tell you not to ask questions in this sport. but if you are going to ask your instructer 5000 questions, do it when they aren't busy, and preferably after handing them a cold beer. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
