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[nolhtairt 0]

To no one in particular:

You know who's a hypocritical racist dick?

San Francisco 49er QB Colin Kaepernick deciding to sit during the national anthem, because... RACISM!

Never mind the fact that HIS biological parents dumped him and left him up for adoption and he was raised by WHITE parents and given an opportunity to succeed.

He makes millions of dollars. At least have the common courtesy to respect what the flag stands for and who died for it. Asshole.

[DanG 1]

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Rational voices are so thoroughly drowned out that they are not a factor.

That's a choice you make, not an absolute.

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If a policeman is an asshole to someone, it may have nothing whatsoever to do with race.

If you truly want to reduce the number of negroes being murdered, there are orders of magnitude more negroes being murdered by other negroes than by cops. That doesn't make it okay for either cops or other negroes to kill negroes, but go with the numbers if you want results.

Gangbangers are expected to be out killing other gangbangers. If you think the rational voices aren't talking about that already it's because you've decided to close your ears. Cops are not supposed to be out killing anybody. It's a regrettable consequence sometimes, but it seems like it is the first instinct for a lot of cops.

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Cops are more likely to beat the shit out of/tase/pepper spray negroes, but are LESS likely to kill them, than other races on a case by case basis. You are free to look up the study.

I think most people in the black community are more worried about getting harassed, beaten, and falsely accused than they are about getting killed. I'm a white middle aged man in a nice neighborhood, I don't have to worry about it at all.

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I don't expect you to catch on, but what the hell.

Way to be unnecessarily rude. Like I said before, classy.

- Dan G

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DanG

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Rational voices are so thoroughly drowned out that they are not a factor.

That's a choice you make, not an absolute.

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If a policeman is an asshole to someone, it may have nothing whatsoever to do with race.

If you truly want to reduce the number of negroes being murdered, there are orders of magnitude more negroes being murdered by other negroes than by cops. That doesn't make it okay for either cops or other negroes to kill negroes, but go with the numbers if you want results.

Gangbangers are expected to be out killing other gangbangers. If you think the rational voices aren't talking about that already it's because you've decided to close your ears. Cops are not supposed to be out killing anybody. It's a regrettable consequence sometimes, but it seems like it is the first instinct for a lot of cops.

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Cops are more likely to beat the shit out of/tase/pepper spray negroes, but are LESS likely to kill them, than other races on a case by case basis. You are free to look up the study.

I think most people in the black community are more worried about getting harassed, beaten, and falsely accused than they are about getting killed. I'm a white middle aged man in a nice neighborhood, I don't have to worry about it at all.

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I don't expect you to catch on, but what the hell.

Way to be unnecessarily rude. Like I said before, classy.

Given that liberals have a propensity to get all up in people's faces like SJWs, don't be surprised if they're treated rudely in return.

[normiss 848]

What the flag stands for is freedom, including the right to protest, and I would again defend the flag for that reason.

While it's a bitter pill to see someone enjoying what this country can do and make millions while complaining against it, I'll give you that much, but unless there's something in his contract regarding this sort of behavior, he's fully in the right to make a statement.

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normiss

What the flag stands for is freedom, including the right to protest, and I would again defend the flag for that reason.

Not banging on you, norms. Simply using this quote as an example.

Part of the problem is one of language.

We use the definitive article when talking about THE flag.

There is no THE flag like there is THE US Constitution or THE White House or THE President.

There is a design spec for it. The design is meant to represent something. The something is meant to be a symbol for something else. Yet some of us treat it as if any physical manifestation of the design spec is THE US.

The same can be said for THE national anthem as well.

We were (pretty much) all brainwashed as children.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[DanG 1]

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Given that liberals have a propensity to get all up in people's faces like SJWs, don't be surprised if they're treated rudely in return.

A. What the fuck is a SJW?
B. I'm not a liberal, I'm just not a conservative who thinks all black people are whiners for complaining about racism and should STFU.

- Dan G

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Next thing we'll have white people calling themselves Caucasian even if they have never been to the Caucasus. The horror.

I had to look up exactly what the definition of race baiting is, this is what I found:

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race baiting ‎(uncountable) The act of using racially derisive language, actions, or other forms of communication in order to anger or intimidate or coerce.

Quite frankly, some of your posts would clearly qualify as race baiting under that definition.

[DanG 1]

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Never mind the fact that HIS biological parents dumped him and left him up for adoption and he was raised by WHITE parents and given an opportunity to succeed.

What does that have to do with it?

Is he indebted to the entire white race because his adoptive parents were white? Can he not speak out about injustice because he is rich?

I don't think he's being particularly productive, and I don't agree with his methodology, but you're way off base calling him a racist because his parents were white.

- Dan G

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normiss

What the flag stands for is freedom, including the right to protest, and I would again defend the flag for that reason.

While it's a bitter pill to see someone enjoying what this country can do and make millions while complaining against it, I'll give you that much, but unless there's something in his contract regarding this sort of behavior, he's fully in the right to make a statement.

He does have the right... to make himself look like a total and utter idiot. I'll give him that much.

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DanG

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Given that liberals have a propensity to get all up in people's faces like SJWs, don't be surprised if they're treated rudely in return.

A. What the fuck is a SJW?

Social Justice Warriors. They've been coming out of the woodwork lately for all kinds of social issues. LGBT, TRANSGENDERS, The whole bathroom bullshit, etc...

I personally don't care what you are, as long as you lead a productive life. But if you're gonna stand up there on the soapbox and scream social injustice or WHAT ABOUT ME? when there are better ways to deal with it, I'm not going to give you the time of day.

[billvon 3,067]

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I have no use for David Duke, but I call bullshit to someone who takes him to task but tolerates professional racists with a more fashionable skin color.

Race equality in America:

"What's that, Senator McCarthy? You don't like the Pledge of Allegiance because you're worried about the godless commies? Sorry about that, sir! We'll get it changed right away."

"What's that, Mr. Kaepernick? You don't like the Star Spangled Banner because you are worried about police violence? Why don't you go back to Africa, you hypocrite! You blacks are all the same."

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billvon

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I have no use for David Duke, but I call bullshit to someone who takes him to task but tolerates professional racists with a more fashionable skin color.

Race equality in America:

"What's that, Senator McCarthy? You don't like the Pledge of Allegiance because you're worried about the godless commies? Sorry about that, sir! We'll get it changed right away."

"What's that, Mr. Kaepernick? You don't like the Star Spangled Banner because you are worried about police violence? Why don't you go back to Africa, you hypocrite! You blacks are all the same."

I wouldn't have a problem if Colickydick Kaepernick used a "platform" away from football to air his grievances. Just don't use the NFL to do it. I didn't care much for Beyonce's black gloved fist salute gesture during the Super Bowl halftime show either. Take that shit to your own concert show.

I'll laugh if the 49ers cut Kaepernick. He has sucked at QB lately.

[normiss 848]

So long as the blacks protest or object to whitey the way whitey wants them to is ok, how dare they do their protests as they please.
Who do they think they are?
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[jakee 1,561]

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I wouldn't have a problem if Colickydick Kaepernick used a "platform" away from football to air his grievances. Just don't use the NFL to do it.

Lol why? Because the NFL was otherwise so pure and uncorrupted before Kapernick got to it?

Never mind that your first post called him an asshole for refusing to 'respect what the flag stands for and who died for it' (which I guess means that you don't mind people who disrespect dead soldiers away from NFL stadiums) I believe Kapernick said he would no longer stand for the anthem wherever it was played. Why is football so important that he should make an exception for it?

Heck, why is football more important to you than america?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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RonD1120

My point simply that anyone who refuses to stand in respect, with right hand over their heart or a hand salute, when the National Anthem is played or sung is a fool. They are allowing themselves to assume the victim image.

for me it is normal to stand for a national anthem, of any country. Like not doing stupid stuff with a national flag. More so with these symbols of your own country.

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[kallend 2,106]

nolhtairt

To no one in particular:

You know who's a hypocritical racist dick?

San Francisco 49er QB Colin Kaepernick deciding to sit during the national anthem, because... RACISM!

Never mind the fact that HIS biological parents dumped him and left him up for adoption and he was raised by WHITE parents and given an opportunity to succeed.

He makes millions of dollars. At least have the common courtesy to respect what the flag stands for and who died for it. Asshole.

The enlistment oath and commissioning oath for all branches of the military refer to the Constitution, not to a piece of cloth or a song. And respect for the Constitutional right of anyone to sit through a warbled song is what people died for.

It truly amazes me that people attach more importance to a piece of colored cloth or a doggerel song based on a British drinking song than to the Constitution that they seem to think it represents.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 3,067]

>I wouldn't have a problem if Colickydick Kaepernick used a "platform" away
>from football to air his grievances.

Because football is too pure and good to be sullied by politics!

A veteran's group (#VeteransForKaepernick) is supporting his protest. Perhaps you could call them VetDicks.

[normiss 848]

Interesting lesson from a CO on a base once...
The US Flag is the flag for everyone, it's why we do the job we do.
Every branch of service has THEIR flag and THEIR song, those are the ones we fight for, the American flag we defend for the freedoms of all.

I liked that perspective.

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normiss

Interesting lesson from a CO on a base once...
The US Flag is the flag for everyone, it's why we do the job we do.
Every branch of service has THEIR flag and THEIR song, those are the ones we fight for, the American flag we defend for the freedoms of all.

I liked that perspective.

Well done.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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kallend

***To no one in particular:

You know who's a hypocritical racist dick?

San Francisco 49er QB Colin Kaepernick deciding to sit during the national anthem, because... RACISM!

Never mind the fact that HIS biological parents dumped him and left him up for adoption and he was raised by WHITE parents and given an opportunity to succeed.

He makes millions of dollars. At least have the common courtesy to respect what the flag stands for and who died for it. Asshole.

The enlistment oath and commissioning oath for all branches of the military refer to the Constitution, not to a piece of cloth or a song. And respect for the Constitutional right of anyone to sit through a warbled song is what people died for.

It truly amazes me that people attach more importance to a piece of colored cloth or a doggerel song based on a British drinking song than to the Constitution that they seem to think it represents.

The football player guy was apparently concerned about the meaning of the second or third verse as originally written.

This is irrelevant, since these verses are moot.

The last words of the National Anthem, as adopted, are "Play ball!"

[BIGUN 1,402]

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"The Star-Spangled Banner" in no way glorifies or celebrates slavery. The middle two verses of Key's lyric vilify the British enemy in the War of 1812, what Key refers to in Verse 3 as "hirelings and slaves." This enemy included both whites and blacks, largely British professional soldiers (hirelings) but also the Corps of Colonial Marines (slaves). The Colonial Marines were escaped black American slaves who joined British forces because of the promise of freedom in return for fighting their former masters.

Fortunately, Britain honored this promise after the war, relocating the former slaves and their families to Halifax and Trinidad. For Key, however, the British mercenaries were scoundrels and the Colonial Marines were traitors who threatened to spark a national insurrection.

The graphic language of Key's denunciation of this British enemy led to the removal of Verse 3 in sheet music editions of the song in World War I, when the United States and Britain became staunch allies.

Yet in 1814 Key's lyric honored American soldiers both black and white. "The Star-Spangled Banner" celebrates the heroes who defended Fort McHenry in the face of almost certain defeat against the most powerful gunships of the era. America's soldiers included mainly whites, but also free and escaped blacks. Escaped slave William Williams served in the US infantry at Fort McHenry and was killed by a fragment of a British bomb. Another escaped slave, Charles Ball, writes in his memoirs of being among the American soldiers of the Chesapeake Bay Flotilla who courageously repelled a night attack and saved the city. "The Star-Spangled Banner" thus honors American military heroes, black and white, without regard to race. In this respect, "The Star-Spangled Banner" is not racist....

...Francis Scott Key owned seven slaves through inheritance, and, as attorney for the District of Columbia, he notoriously prosecuted the abolitionist Reuben Crandall in the aftermath of the 1835 race riot in Washington. Key was not an abolitionist, yet he was not an ardent supporter of slavery either and is better understood as one dedicated to ending slavery.

Key freed four of his slaves in 1842. To one, Clem Johnson, Key offered to provide a "home until his death." As a founder and officer of the American Colonization Society (1816--1964), Key viewed slavery as a moral wrong that required a solution.

SOURCE: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/opinions/star-spangled-banner-criticisms-opinion-clague/

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Along with “Hail Columbia” and “Yankee Doodle,” “The Star-Spangled Banner” was among the prevalent patriotic airs in the aftermath of the War of 1812. During the Civil War, “The Star-Spangled Banner” was an anthem for Union troops, and the song increased in popularity in the ensuing decades, which led to President Woodrow Wilson signing an executive order in 1916 designating it as “the national anthem of the United States” for all military ceremonies. On March 3, 1931, after 40 previous attempts failed, a measure passed Congress and was signed into law that formally designated “The Star-Spangled Banner” as the national anthem of the United States.

SOURCE: http://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-star-spangled-banner

In short, it was an appropriate song when written (by Key to be a song) and sung during the Civil War. It was appropriate to drop the third stanza when we became allies of Britain - then. And, it is an appropriate historical song as it stands today.

Now, I can't sing the damn song due to the range and would love to change the National Anthem to Lee Greenwood's "Proud to be American" which is both singable by everyone and may be more of a uniting force during these times.

But, I'm sure some would be offended by using the word "God" Even though, every religion in the US has a God... Even them thar pesky Islams. And for my atheist or agnostic friends... well, you're just going to hell anyway, so let it go.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[normiss 848]

I would hope a metric shit ton of people to sit or puke in protest of that shite song.
He's an opportunist with that song every time some disaster happens, to the tune of millions.
Fuck that guy and his god damn crap song.

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normiss

I would hope a metric shit ton of people to sit or puke in protest of that shite song.
He's an opportunist with that song every time some disaster happens, to the tune of millions.
Fuck that guy and his god damn crap song.

What was that you were saying about hateful and vile, curse-filled posts?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[normiss 848]

Directed at a poster here in discussion?



Work a few airshows with this ass hat and you'd see there is nothing patriotic about him. He's a real prick.

[BIGUN 1,402]

So, I learned three things today, 1) That Lee Greenwood should probably be sent to Gitmo and then to some obscure foreign country for enhanced interrogation technique, 2) That a metric shit ton is 204.62 pounds more than just a shit ton, and 3) that you don't address the Star Spangled Banner's history or have an alternative suggestion as to what you may think more appropriate. Perhaps we should remix Justin Beiber's, "Sorry" into a politically correct apologist song for everyone who's been offended by anything in America.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.