Charlotte NC protests

[Bolas 5]

normiss

A video is out, lady taking the video tells the cops he has a TBI begging them to not shoot him.
"He's not doing anything wrong, he has a TBI."

Why is he carrying a gun with a TBI? Yes, if a legal gun owner with the proper permits for his type of carry, he has the right to, but does not seem like a smart decision especially if his reaction and/or judgment is impacted so likely couldn't defend himself anyways.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[billvon 3,063]

>Running from police is a bad idea for anyone, especially if their guns are drawn.

But defensible, per the court system.
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Mass. High Court Says Black Men May Have Legitimate Reason To Flee Police
September 20, 2016
By Zeninjor Enwemeka
WBUR

Black men who try to avoid an encounter with Boston police by fleeing may have a legitimate reason to do so — and should not be deemed suspicious — according to a ruling by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.

Citing Boston police data and a 2014 report by the ACLU of Massachusetts that found blacks were disproportionately stopped by the city's police, the state’s highest court on Tuesday threw out the gun conviction of Jimmy Warren.

Warren was arrested on Dec. 18, 2011, by police who were investigating a break-in in Roxbury. Police had been given a description of the suspects as three black men — one wearing a “red hoodie,” one wearing a “black hoodie” and the other wearing “dark clothing.” An officer later spotted Warren and another man (both wearing dark clothing) walking near a park. When the officer approached the men, they ran. Warren was later arrested and searched. No contraband was found on him, but police recovered an unlicensed .22 caliber firearm in a nearby yard. Warren was charged with unlawful possession of a firearm and later convicted.

In its ruling, the court made two major findings: The justices said police didn’t have the right to stop Warren in the first place, and the fact that he ran away shouldn’t be used against him.

On the first point, the court said the description of the break-in suspects’ clothing was “vague,” making it impossible for police to “reasonably and rationally” target Warren or any other black man wearing dark clothing as a suspect. The court said the “ubiquitous” clothing description and the officer’s "hunch" wasn’t enough to justify the stop.

"Lacking any information about facial features, hairstyles, skin tone, height, weight, or other physical characteristics, the victim's description 'contribute[d] nothing to the officers' ability to distinguish the defendant from any other black male' wearing dark clothes and a 'hoodie' in Roxbury."

On the second point, the court noted that state law gives individuals the right to not speak to police and even walk away if they aren’t charged with anything. The court said when an individual does flee, the action doesn't necessarily mean the person is guilty. And when it comes to black men, the BPD and ACLU reports “documenting a pattern of racial profiling of black males in the city of Boston” must be taken into consideration, the court said.

"We do not eliminate flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion analysis whenever a black male is the subject of an investigatory stop. However, in such circumstances, flight is not necessarily probative of a suspect's state of mind or consciousness of guilt. Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO [Field Interrogation and Observation] encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity. Given this reality for black males in the city of Boston, a judge should, in appropriate cases, consider the report's findings in weighing flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion calculus."
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[normiss 844]

I would say there is not evidence of that yet, as confirmed by the chief of police.
Only one pic from a witness cell phone, but the way the cops are talking about that pic, they don't trust it either.
Seems we've found the way to deal with mental illness; murder them.

[Bolas 5]

normiss

I would say there is not evidence of that yet, as confirmed by the chief of police.
Only one pic from a witness cell phone, but the way the cops are talking about that pic, they don't trust it either.
Seems we've found the way to deal with mental illness; murder them.

You mean this gun?
https://mobile.twitter.com/MollyGrantham/status/778747306472382468

More info:
http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/keith-lamont-scott-charlotte-north-carolina-police-shooting-daughter-facebook-live-video-brother-officer-name-photos-reading-book/

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[normiss 844]

Yes, the one the cops are so far refusing to comment on for some reason.
I'd like to wait for the reason before jumping to the defense of a cop murdering a mentally handicapped person.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Nice how you prefer to simply dismiss differing opinions because "we watch lots of movies".
I'm never going to understand why a guy gets murdered over a disabled car, nor one with a mental condition, but mainly because they're black and some cops are afraid of black people.
It's fucking insanity.

You dont know all the details I see.

The cop was black.
The police chief is black.
70% of those arrested were from out of state.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 844]

WTF does any of that have to do with why the fuck am I replying to you?

None of those facts have anything to do with the facts of the shooting itself, it's all secondary.
Dude. At least try.
He had a major TBI.


hmmmmm....

[Bolas 5]

normiss

Yes, the one the cops are so far refusing to comment on for some reason.
I'd like to wait for the reason before jumping to the defense of a cop murdering a mentally handicapped person.

I'd prefer people not jumping to conclusions either way until more of the facts are known.
At this point all we know is a person was shot and killed for posing a threat by a LEO for noncompliance with commands. Why they didn't comply is unknown.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[kallend 2,105]

Bolas

***Yes, the one the cops are so far refusing to comment on for some reason.
I'd like to wait for the reason before jumping to the defense of a cop murdering a mentally handicapped person.

I'd prefer people not jumping to conclusions either way until more of the facts are known.
At this point all we know is a person was shot and killed for posing a threat by a LEO for noncompliance with commands. Why they didn't comply is unknown.

Last time I checked the 5th Amendment, "noncompliance" was not listed as an exception justifying summary execution.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 844]

Sure, keep ignoring the TBI he suffered that may have had some influence on his response, as repeatedly screamed by his wife as she filmed her husband's murder.

[pchapman 279]

I find it curious that news sources mentioning the newer video from the bystander tend to put in their headlines the bit about the wife repeatedly saying "Don't shoot him!" to the cops, but make no comment on her also repeatedly saying to her husband, "Keith! Don't do it!"

Now that doesn't say what he might have been doing or what was in his hands, or anything else about the situation. But even from my left leaning point of view, it seems very unfair and biased to focus only on the one but not the other.

[normiss 844]

Sounded like she was trying to get him to comply.
The "Don't" I heard was "Don't make them break the window."
She was telling him to get out of the truck, apparently when your brain is severely damaged, you can't always make sense of simple things.
Who knew?

[turtlespeed 226]

pchapman

I find it curious that news sources mentioning the newer video from the bystander tend to put in their headlines the bit about the wife repeatedly saying "Don't shoot him!" to the cops, but make no comment on her also repeatedly saying to her husband, "Keith! Don't do it!"

Now that doesn't say what he might have been doing or what was in his hands, or anything else about the situation. But even from my left leaning point of view, it seems very unfair and biased to focus only on the one but not the other.

Simple.

The media could easily dramaize the whole "Don't do it!" and play that sound bite over and over like they dramatize the other things she says, but it doesnt fit the model they need to rile up the people.

All one would have to do reverse the editing, (more like adjust), and you have a completely different narrative.

The media has the ability to quash all this if they wanted to. Instead, they stoke the fires.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

normiss

...She was telling him to get out of the truck, apparently when your brain is severely damaged, you can't always make sense of simple things.
Who knew?

And my understanding of TBI is that stressful situations, loud situations, that sort of thing make comprehension issues worse.

IOW- shouting at someone with a TBI rarely makes it better. But once cops start shouting, there's usually either compliance or violence.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[SkyDekker 1,465]

turtlespeed

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If the social groups given to rioting wish for sympathy, it's in the dictionary somewhere between 'shit' and 'syphilis.'

For people like you it is yes.

Actually - for every one it is.
You do know the alphabet don't you?
You know how a dictionary works, right.
I don't see how you could dispute that fact.

Yup, just like asshole is between ass and racist in the dictionary.

Retard is between asshole and xenophobe.

Turtle is well after intelligent.

All facts you cannot dispute.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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If the social groups given to rioting wish for sympathy, it's in the dictionary somewhere between 'shit' and 'syphilis.'

For people like you it is yes.

Actually - for every one it is.
You do know the alphabet don't you?
You know how a dictionary works, right.
I don't see how you could dispute that fact.

Yup, just like asshole is between ass and racist in the dictionary.

Retard is between asshole and xenophobe.

Turtle is well after intelligent.

All facts you cannot dispute.

Another fact is 70% of those arrested were from out of state.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[skycop 0]

http://ijr.com/2016/09/701584-a-little-document-has-surfaced-about-keith-lamont-scott-that-explodes-the-charlotte-shooting-narrative/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Partners&utm_term=PRM7&utm_campaign

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[rushmc 23]

skycop

http://ijr.com/2016/09/701584-a-little-document-has-surfaced-about-keith-lamont-scott-that-explodes-the-charlotte-shooting-narrative/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=Partners&utm_term=PRM7&utm_campaign

This story is falling apart.
Just like Hand up don't shoot
The Trayvon story
Ferguson........

It is all bought and paid for bull shit.

It is all political.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 844]

Interesting, especially given they didn't know who he was at the time.

[mirage62 0]

So if his is proven to be true....does it change anything?

I mean, he beat his wife and kids, he carried a gun illegally, used drugs.... He had lots of other legal issues....again - if TRUE.

Did the police know any of this? Would it be different if they did?

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[DJL 235]

normiss

Interesting, especially given they didn't know who he was at the time.

And that is the rub.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[Bolas 5]

DJL

***Interesting, especially given they didn't know who he was at the time.

And that is the rub.

Did they? If truly a "frequent flyer" may have been well known.

And if they didn't, then their "prejudices" may just have been their training and experience.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[kelpdiver 2]

normiss

Sure, keep ignoring the TBI he suffered that may have had some influence on his response, as repeatedly screamed by his wife as she filmed her husband's murder.

the same wife that last year asked for a restraining order against him after he punched his 8 yo son, kicked her, and had a handgun without a permit?

the same guy who:
"When he was 30, in 2003, a Bexar County, Texas, grand jury indicted him on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and evading arrest with a vehicle after Scott allegedly shot a man the previous year. Scott pleaded no contest and was sentenced to more than eight years in prison after his 2005 conviction."

So it's all about the gun versus the book. A gun was found. Can it be tied to him, without any valid reason to suspect the LEOs planted it? Wasn't the wife filming on her camera- wouldn't her presence make this difficult to plant?

Supposedly (I'm leery of most online sources, best I see is the local ABC station) this gun was stolen in a burglary, and a suspect admits to selling it to Scott. If this is confirmed then the innocent man with a book getting executing storyline falls apart fast. And sorry, normiss, having a TBI doesn't grant you extra latitude to wave around a gun you're not don't have a right to possess (being an excon).

[skycop 0]

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Interesting, especially given they didn't know who he was at the time.

They did know he had a gun, was smoking marijuana, got out of he car with a gun in his hand, then failed to drop the gun when ordered to.

That alone is enough to justify deadly force, now it is known he was a convicted felon, with a propensity toward violence.

But in this facts don't matter environment, he was reading a book.

It's almost surreal, how silly this has become.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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They did know he had a gun, was smoking marijuana, got out of he car with a gun in his hand, then failed to drop the gun when ordered to.

That alone is enough to justify deadly force

Interesting.

In Canada I am relatively sure that holding a gun and refusing to drop it is not enough grounds for deadly force. I think the perpetrator would actually have to start pointing it at people.

We tend not to allow executions for simply holding objects, there has to be an action associated with it.