What do you do when countries won't take their immigrants back?

[yoink 321]

A couple of days ago a (possibly) mentally ill, unarmed black man was shot near here by police. This isn't a thread about that, or whether in light of what I'm about to say was somehow 'deserved'.

It turns out that this guy was originally a legally recognized refugee from Uganda in 1991. He since got convicted of drug trafficking and of being a felon in possession of owning a firearm. This was not one of the good guys... Both times he was ordered to be deported but Uganda refused to issue travel documents to have him return to their country.

I'm stumped. What do you do in this case? Fly a plane to Uganda and just toss him out of the door? Justifiable, but wouldn't look great on the international stage. But the other option of keeping him here is flat out crazy too. He shouldn't have been here to get shot, but what should be done if (for example) Mexico simply stops accepting buses carrying people being deported before crossing the border?

Answers on a postcard, please.

[yoink 321]

and the news link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/29/unarmed-black-man-killed-by-police-near-san-diego-had-twice-been-ordered-deported/?utm_term=.aa14aa246134

[oldwomanc6 52]

Put him on a ship.

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[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi yoink,

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What do you do

I probably know no more about the immigration laws than you do.

However, I am thinking that if he is a US citizen, then he is ours. If not, then I would think that he can be deported to whatever country he has citizenship in.

Jerry Baumchen

[yoink 321]

JerryBaumchen

Hi yoink,

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What do you do

I probably know no more about the immigration laws than you do.

However, I am thinking that if he is a US citizen, then he is ours. If not, then I would think that he can be deported to whatever country he has citizenship in.

Jerry Baumchen

I agree. You'd think so.

But how? I am a legal resident here, but a citizen of the UK. If I commit a crime and am deported but the UK says 'No. We're not accepting him. We won't give permission to a flight carrying him to land.' what could you do? You're not going to i'nvade' the UK over it...

The fact that the government tried to deport him twice would suggest that he wasn't a citizen, but a legal resident. Otherwise he'd have to be denaturalized first, and that's pretty rare. I can't find any confirmation of that though.

Seems like a horrible loophole if that's the case.

[Bolas 5]

My guess is he had a record in Uganda.

He then somehow fooled/bribed his way into a refugee program or Uganda just dumped him on us.

Either would explain why they wouldn't take him back.

Perhaps a policy of making countries either take back their criminsl citizens or charging them the incarceration costs/deducting it from the aid they receive?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[billvon 2,991]

>Fly a plane to Uganda and just toss him out of the door? Justifiable, but wouldn't
>look great on the international stage.

Doesn't seem so bad to me. Drop him off, then take off and let them handle him however they like.

[tkhayes 348]

we are a country of laws, so we have to follow the law, even when dealing with a criminal. You are either here on a visa, permanent residency (or awaiting permanent residency) or citizenship.

If you are here on a visa, you are convicted first, and then deported.

If you are a permanent resident, you are 'ours' but it can be revoked. I expect you are convicted and then someone has to start the process of revoking your residency and then deporting you.

If you are a citizen, then you are an American and it cannot really be revoked (yes there are exceptions). Would probably require extraordinary circumstances and I expect be a long process. https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/HTML/PolicyManual-Volume12-PartL-Chapter2.html

There is no process to force other countries to repatriate former residents and citizens and entertaining the idea of 'dropping them off' puts us into the company of third world countries and regimes. We are supposed to be better than that.

You pays yer money and you takes yer chances once in a while.

Citizenship for me was a 10 year long and drawn out, difficult process. I have faith that for the most part, it works well and that the USA does a reasonably decent job of screening its applicants, refugees, and residents seeking to be here.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi tk,

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the USA does a reasonably decent job of screening its applicants

We are still thinking about you.



Jerry Baumchen

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JerryBaumchen

Hi tk,

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the USA does a reasonably decent job of screening its applicants

We are still thinking about you.



Jerry Baumchen

Too late. We ain't taking him back!

[masterblaster72 0]

Put them on a Herc, drop them over their homeland by static line. This would have the added benefit of making other would-be illegal migrants think twice about coming in the first place.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[DanG 1]

We're not talking about illegal migrants. We're talking about legal migrants who commit crimes.

I don't understand why anyone would think these people aren't our problem. Treat them like any other criminal.

- Dan G

[SkyDekker 1,465]

DanG

We're not talking about illegal migrants. We're talking about legal migrants who commit crimes.

I don't understand why anyone would think these people aren't our problem. Treat them like any other criminal.

This. Pretty simple really.

[rehmwa 2]

DanG

We're not talking about illegal migrants. We're talking about legal migrants who commit crimes.

I don't understand why anyone would think these people aren't our problem. Treat them like any other criminal.

This ^

if they are here legally, they are one of us

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[DanG 1]

I think it depends on the person's status. Legal permanent residents should do their time and get released like everyone else.

If they don't have permanent resident status, then I suppose deportation should be attempted, but if their country of origin won't take them, they should be released. If they did their time, they have (in theory) paid their debt just like a citizen.

- Dan G