Federal judge investigating RNC voter intimidation

[billvon 2,991]

This could get interesting:

============
Judge orders RNC to detail voter fraud pacts with Trump campaign
Josh Gerstein

11/01/16 09:54 AM EDT
A federal judge is ordering the Republican National Committee to detail any agreements it has with Donald Trump's campaign to engage in "ballot security" efforts in connection with next week's election — something the national GOP has been banned from doing for decades without court approval.

The order also instructs the RNC to explain by 5 p.m. Tuesday what Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway and GOP vice presidential nominee Mike Pence were talking about in recent comments when they said that Trump's campaign was working closely with the RNC to make sure there is no fraud at the polls.

Newark, N.J.-based U.S. District Court John Vazquez issued the order Monday after the Democratic National Committee went to court last week to allege that the RNC was violating consent decrees from the 1980s settling a case alleging that GOP pollwatchers sought to intimidate minority voters in a practice then known as "caging."

The agreements allow the RNC to organize pollwatchers, but prohibit any effort to intimidate voters as they enter a polling place or to challenge individual voters, except as part of a program approved in advance by the court.
============

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi Bill,

Quote

U.S. District Court John Vazquez

That's it, he cannot rule on anything related to Trump.

He's, he's . . . . . . .



Jerry Baumchen

[billvon 2,991]

>That's it, he cannot rule on anything related to Trump.

I heard he was Jewish, too. Don't they check for stuff like that before they elect judges? Geez.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

This could get interesting:

============
Judge orders RNC to detail voter fraud pacts with Trump campaign
Josh Gerstein

11/01/16 09:54 AM EDT
A federal judge is ordering the Republican National Committee to detail any agreements it has with Donald Trump's campaign to engage in "ballot security" efforts in connection with next week's election — something the national GOP has been banned from doing for decades without court approval.

The order also instructs the RNC to explain by 5 p.m. Tuesday what Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway and GOP vice presidential nominee Mike Pence were talking about in recent comments when they said that Trump's campaign was working closely with the RNC to make sure there is no fraud at the polls.

Newark, N.J.-based U.S. District Court John Vazquez issued the order Monday after the Democratic National Committee went to court last week to allege that the RNC was violating consent decrees from the 1980s settling a case alleging that GOP pollwatchers sought to intimidate minority voters in a practice then known as "caging."

The agreements allow the RNC to organize pollwatchers, but prohibit any effort to intimidate voters as they enter a polling place or to challenge individual voters, except as part of a program approved in advance by the court.
============

But the UN can send in dozens of poll watchers and there is not problem.

The New Black Panthers can stand outside a polling area with billy clubs and that is no problem.

But if the RNC wants to watch now THAT is a problem.

Ya, right.......

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/watchdog-alleges-virginia-prepping-mass-voter-fraud/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,991]

>But the UN can send in dozens of poll watchers and there is not problem.

>The New Black Panthers can stand outside a polling area with billy clubs and
>that is no problem.

>But if the RNC wants to watch now THAT is a problem.

That is correct.

In 1982, the RNC tried to suppress the democratic vote in the New York gubernatorial election by hiring off-duty cops with armbands to stand over ballot boxes. They were charged with systemic voter intimidation, which violates the Voting Rights Act of 1965. They were about to lose the case and get hammered with penalties; to avoid that, they agreed to not send people to polling places. Specifically they agreed to:

==============
(a) comply with all applicable state and federal laws protecting the rights of duly qualified citizens to vote for the candidate(s) of their choice;

(b) in the event that they produce or place any signs which are part of ballot security activities, cause said signs to disclose that they are authorized or sponsored by the party committees and any other committees participating with the party committees;

(c) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their agents or employees to remove or deface any lawfully printed and placed campaign materials or signs;

(d) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their employees to campaign within restricted polling areas or to interrogate prospective voters as to their qualifications to vote prior to their entry to a polling place;

(e) refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose;

(f) refrain from having private personnel deputized as law enforcement personnel in connection with ballot security activities.
=============

Since Trump has directed his followers to watch places where minorities vote, and since he has said he is working closely with the RNC, then there is a reasonable suspicion that the RNC is in violation of their own agreement.

Do you have a problem with that? Take it up with the RNC; they are the ones who agreed to be treated differently than the Black Panthers or the UN as a result of their voter suppression efforts.

[tkhayes 348]

Quote

http://www.lifezette.com/...ng-mass-voter-fraud/

A conservative opinion about things that some conservative thinks might be happening.

Well then, I guess that is as good as proof.....

[rushmc 23]

Your double standard is showing.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 801]

I don't think he really had much to do with that court case.

[winsor 236]

We should stick with international observers.

Dated but appropriate.

[rehmwa 2]

billvon

>That is correct.

(oooo,oooooo! let me play too....)

---- So you are on record with Dems standing outside a polling area with billy clubs and that is no problem.

(how did I do? pretty much on target for Speaker's Corner, right?)

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 2,991]

>how did I do? pretty much on target for Speaker's Corner, right?

Not bad, although "you either support violence or you hate blacks, which is it?" would be more to style.

[rehmwa 2]

billvon

>Not bad, although "you either support violence or you hate blacks, which is it?" would be more to style.

masterful if you use that as a strawman for the other guy, but it would backfire as a direct statement of course

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 2,991]

>masterful if you use that as a strawman for the other guy . . .

"It's not a strawman or a personal attack, I am just asking a question! Why can't you answer the question? YOU must be the problem."

[rehmwa 2]

billvon

>masterful if you use that as a strawman for the other guy . . .

"It's not a strawman or a personal attack, I am just asking a question! Why can't you answer the question? YOU must be the problem."

"Look you might actually have said that or written that, but we ALL know what you REALLY mean by that. It's the code phrase for everyone in your party"

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 2,991]

>Look you might actually have said that or written that, but we ALL know what you REALLY mean by that. . . .

You and your ilk, that is.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>Look you might actually have said that or written that, but we ALL know what you REALLY mean by that. . . .

You and your ilk, that is.

You have done well taking over for Amazon!

Maybe a bit more subtle.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

***>Look you might actually have said that or written that, but we ALL know what you REALLY mean by that. . . .

You and your ilk, that is.

You have done well taking over for Amazon!

Maybe a bit more subtle.

How has BIll influenced that court case by the way.

It was the RNC who agreed to the settlement.

[billvon 2,991]

Looks like voter intimidation just got a little harder for Trump in Ohio:

================
Judge Issues Restraining Order Against Trump Camp, Roger Stone In Ohio Case
By Tierney Sneed
November 4, 2016

A federal judge presiding over a voter intimidation lawsuit that the Ohio Democratic Party brought against Republicans said in a hearing in the case Friday issued a restraining order against the Donald Trump campaign, former Trump adviser Roger Stone, and Stone's group Stop the Steal.

U.S. District Judge James Gwin's order blocks the Trump campaign and Stone "from conspiring to intimidate, threaten, harass, or coerce voters on Election Day."
=================

He'll have to redouble his efforts in other states.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

H Bill,

Quote

This could get interesting:

Yup: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/judge-says-north-carolina-illegally-purged-voter-lists-n677431

Judge Loretta Biggs said the right to vote "cannot be sacrificed when citizens through no fault of their own have been removed from the voter rolls."

Jerry Baumchen

[billvon 2,991]

>Judge Loretta Biggs said the right to vote "cannot be sacrificed when citizens
>through no fault of their own have been removed from the voter rolls."

They're letting people vote now? THE ELECTION IS RIGGED!