Global Temp Changes

[DJL 235]

rushmc

***>You need to keep asking them what they are going to do about worldwide cooling
>at an unprecedented level that is happening today

You mean the "unprecedented cooling" that just gave us the third warmest October ever?

That takes some RushMC-scale twisting to take the third warmest October ever and turn it into "unprecedented cooling."

Continue, please!

Ya
You are one of the deniers the article I posted spoke about.

Are we now "reverse deniers" or "double deniers" or something? This anti-fact and fact check conspiracy BS is going through the roof. At first I thought it was because people like you are incapable of processing the information in front of you but now I realize it's not even a issue of brain power (because I know you're not dumb) but you really think that a political decision makes things correct or incorrect.

You make a big deal about really understanding and attempting to determine if information is correct. Please do that. Watch the video I posted ( https://weather.com/news/news/breitbart-misleads-americans-climate-change?cm_ven=T_WX_CD_120616_2, it's about the differences in data gathered over land vs water which is exactly what your article refers to. The Breitbart post they talk about was from a few days ago and heavily references THIS ARTICLE: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3974846/Stunning-new-data-indicates-El-Nino-drove-record-highs-global-temperatures-suggesting-rise-not-man-emissions.html

The wattsup article you posted also heavily references....wait for it....wait for it.....THIS SAME GODDAMN ARTICLE: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3974846/Stunning-new-data-indicates-El-Nino-drove-record-highs-global-temperatures-suggesting-rise-not-man-emissions.html

I said once that you need to at least scratch the surface of the info you're getting. YOU HAVE GOT TO DO BETTER THAN YOU'RE DOING!!

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[SkyDekker 1,465]

NO.

The more you read, the more you are filled with false information.

[DJL 235]

SkyDekker

NO.

The more you read, the more you are filled with false information.

Doesn't matter. Everything is just going straight into the shitter anyway:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/oklahoma-ag-pruitt-epa-chief-232319

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[airdvr 210]

DJL

***NO.

The more you read, the more you are filled with false information.

Doesn't matter. Everything is just going straight into the shitter anyway:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/oklahoma-ag-pruitt-epa-chief-232319
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Excellent news! It's about time someone brought some balance to an out of control agency.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[kallend 2,027]

airdvr

******NO.

The more you read, the more you are filled with false information.

Doesn't matter. Everything is just going straight into the shitter anyway:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/oklahoma-ag-pruitt-epa-chief-232319
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Excellent news! It's about time someone brought some balance to an out of control agency.

Yes, we need a few more rivers to catch fire so as to offset the global cooling Marc Rush keeps telling us about.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[airdvr 210]

kallend

*********NO.

The more you read, the more you are filled with false information.

Doesn't matter. Everything is just going straight into the shitter anyway:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/oklahoma-ag-pruitt-epa-chief-232319
\
Excellent news! It's about time someone brought some balance to an out of control agency.

Yes, we need a few more rivers to catch fire so as to offset the global cooling Marc Rush keeps telling us about.

Ancient history perfesser.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[rushmc 23]

airdvr

************NO.

The more you read, the more you are filled with false information.

Doesn't matter. Everything is just going straight into the shitter anyway:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/oklahoma-ag-pruitt-epa-chief-232319
\
Excellent news! It's about time someone brought some balance to an out of control agency.

Yes, we need a few more rivers to catch fire so as to offset the global cooling Marc Rush keeps telling us about.

Ancient history perfesser.

It is all they got.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

airdvr

Ancient history perfesser.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rushmc 23]

ryoder

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Ancient history perfesser.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Yet kallends post has nothing to do with so called AGWing.

So, your point is?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,027]

airdvr

************NO.

The more you read, the more you are filled with false information.

Doesn't matter. Everything is just going straight into the shitter anyway:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/oklahoma-ag-pruitt-epa-chief-232319
\
Excellent news! It's about time someone brought some balance to an out of control agency.

Yes, we need a few more rivers to catch fire so as to offset the global cooling Marc Rush keeps telling us about.

Ancient history perfesser.

Just back when America was "great", like it will be again when environmental laws are gutted.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[airdvr 210]

1: What did man do to cause the mini ice age starting about 1300 ad.? During that time all kinds of natural disasters occurred lowering the population by millions.

2: What then did man do to cause the end of it? It ended about 1850. Why did it end?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[kallend 2,027]

airdvr

1: What did man do to cause the mini ice age starting about 1300 ad.? During that time all kinds of natural disasters occurred lowering the population by millions.

2: What then did man do to cause the end of it? It ended about 1850. Why did it end?

1. Didn't set rivers on fire.

2. Started setting rivers on fire .

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[PhreeZone 20]

The mini ice age that started in the 1300's was partially driven by Genghis Khan and the mass destruction he caused in Asia. This impact was larger than any of the natural occurances during this time. With the invasions lasting for several generations and lasting 130+ years it ended up displacing a large portion of the population and just eliminated an even larger percent of the population. There were so many deaths over such a large area that it caused massive reforestation of the entire region until the population was able to stabilize several decades later. This large amount of new trees and plant growth where able to act as a large carbon sink absorbing a massive amount of CO2 from the atmosphere and cooling the planet slightly. This slight change was all that was needed to trigger cooler temperatures planet wide. The Black Plague was much shorter lived (30-40 years total) and the population was not impacted by the same levels and quickly re-stabilized faster than reforestation could occur.

In the 1800's agriculture became more mechanized and it allowed for larger areas to be cut down globally and less efficient plants took the place of old growth forests in terms of storing carbon. We started to see the percent of land being used for agriculture really start an upward trend in the mid 1800's with the introduction of steam engines on the farm which increased the efficiency and allowed for more land per farmer. Population growth also went from 1 Billion in 1800 to 2 Billion in the 1920's. This increase in the population was a large driver in the need to clear more land to feed more mouths.

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

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[DJL 235]

airdvr

******NO.

The more you read, the more you are filled with false information.

Doesn't matter. Everything is just going straight into the shitter anyway:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/oklahoma-ag-pruitt-epa-chief-232319
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Excellent news! It's about time someone brought some balance to an out of control agency.

What exactly do you feel is out of control? And I'm not asking for your bitch list, just pick one and properly defend your point as to how that measure is bad for the country.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[airdvr 210]

Kahn caused an ice age? Seriously? Also, I'll suggest that the typoe of farming you say has an effect on the environment didn't take hold until the end of WWII.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[airdvr 210]

DJL

*********NO.

The more you read, the more you are filled with false information.

Doesn't matter. Everything is just going straight into the shitter anyway:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2016/12/oklahoma-ag-pruitt-epa-chief-232319
\
Excellent news! It's about time someone brought some balance to an out of control agency.

What exactly do you feel is out of control? And I'm not asking for your bitch list, just pick one and properly defend your point as to how that measure is bad for the country.

Let's talk about coal. Since I live close to West Virginia it has an effect on our local economy.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/other/coal-plants-to-shut-down-from-EPA-regulations.html

The EPA is beholden to no one. They make rules and economies are left in ruins.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2013/03/14/the-epa-the-worst-of-many-rogue-federal-agencies/#52e11a95beb8

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[DJL 235]

You should at least read the entire article that your link references detailing how many of those plants were allowed to operate without EPA restrictions because they were so old that regulators assumed they would soon close : http://www.today.com/id/45715768/ns/today-today_news/t/new-epa-rules-threatening-aging-power-plants/#.WEmKcvkrK00

Coal is also an issue close to me since I live in Richmond and fortunately am not downwind of the coal plant on the James River that has a gigantic slag pool just up against the river. Some other light reading about VA Coal plants

If you want to talk about coal production then you should talk to the coal company "owners" who over over the course of history have promised their employees well paying jobs but for some reason generations of coal workers still live under the poverty line while profits go out the state. In the meantime these owners arrange their businesses in shell corporations so when they pollute a site the shell corp goes bankrupt and those employees are left holding nothing but an arsenic laced river. Or how about their shell corp arrangement for paying taxes?

Go find the book Lost Mountain. to get up to speed. With developing technology, competing fuel sources and the very real and very well documented impact that coal use has on the health of our country I think you'll find that a little regulation is worth it.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[brenthutch 444]

Not for long. Take a look at our next head of EPA!

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-idUSKBN13W2HE

[SkyDekker 1,465]

brenthutch

Not for long. Take a look at our next head of EPA!

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-idUSKBN13W2HE

Animals love him! Wait till you see what Dodo has to say about him.

[brenthutch 444]

"Make dinosaur bones great again"

[PhreeZone 20]

http://www.livescience.com/11739-wars-plagues-carbon-climate.html From the Holocene Journal in January 2011 the authors did a study to identify the impact of mass death events and have measured via ice cores that the 40 million people killed during Khan's time and during the subsequent invasions had lowered CO2 levels by .1-.2 percent and lead to a change in the amount of solar radiation that was reflected back off the earth. Some of the calculations need more study such as the exact amount of regrowth that occurred to determine how many metric tons of CO2 where converted into carbon that was locked into trees but it appears that it is a measurable amount.

Larger scale farming including clear cutting of forests has been occurring for a long time but in the 1800's is when we see that large amounts of old growth forest through out the midwest are cut down for farming. At the same time industrialized farming was accelerating in Europe.

Here are some numbers around farming in the US

1850: Total population: 23,191,786; farm population; 11,680,000 (est.); farmers 64% of labor force; Number of farms: 1,449,000; average acres: 203 est of farmable land: 294,147,000 acres
1860: Total population: 31,443,321; farm population: 15,141,000 (est.); farmers 58% of labor force; Number of farms: 2,044,000; average acres: 199 est of farmable land: 406,756,000
1880: Total population: 50,155,783; farm population: 22,981,000 (est.); farmers 49% of labor force; Number of farms: 4,009,000; average acres: 134; est of farmable land: 537,206,000


In just 30 years the estimates on farmable land in the US almost doubled (+243,0590,000). On the east coast this was done via clear cutting. In the Plains this was done via conversion of prairie into farmland.

1910 Total population: 91,972,266; farm population: 32,077,000 (est.); farmers 31% of labor force; Number of farms: 6,366,000; average acres: 138 - total: 878,508,000

Add another 30 years and the number is almost 4 times as much land was converted in just 60 years.


1930 Total population: 122,775,046; farm population: 30,455,350; farmers 21% of labor force; Number of farms: 6,295,000; average acres: 157; irrigated acres: 14,633,252 - Farmable estimate 988,315,000

1980: Total population: 227,020,000; farm population: 6,051,000; farmers 3.4% of labor force; Number of farms: 2,439,510; average acres: 426; irrigated acres: 50,350,000 (est of total farmable land - 1,039,231,260. This is almost triple the land converted to farmable in the last 100 years.


This all being said - one other factor from a gas side that has to be looked at is production of methane since it is also a greenhouse gas but it has a much shorter life span in the atmosphere than CO2 does but is a higher multiplier.

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[billvon 2,997]

> What then did man do to cause the end of it? It ended about 1850. Why did it end?

So today you are a type III.

"OK, so maybe the climate is warming, and maybe we had something to do with it. But it's a GOOD thing!"

It's hard to keep track of what kind of denial is going on here at any given time. For the past week or so, Rush has switched back to type I. "See? It's getting colder! There's no global warming! Those global warming alarmists are sure going to look stupid when it gets cold this winter."

[billvon 2,997]

>Record Global Cooling Over The Last Eight Months

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U.S. had its warmest autumn and 2nd warmest November on record
Drought-fueled wildfires had significant impacts in the Southeast

NOAA
December 7, 2016

The average U.S. temperature in autumn was 57.6 degrees F (4.1 degrees above average) and surpassed last fall as the warmest on record, according to scientists from NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information. Precipitation during this period was about average for the nation, with wet extremes in the Northwest and dry extremes in the Central Rockies, Gulf Coast region and interior Southeast.

The month of November was the 2nd warmest on record, with an average temperature across the contiguous U.S. of 48 degrees F, 6.3 degrees above average. Every state in the Continental U.S. and Alaska were warmer than average during November. The precipitation total for the month was 0.50 inch below average.

The year-to-date (January-November) average temperature for the contiguous U.S. was 56.9 degrees F, 3.1 degrees above average. All Lower 48 states and Alaska observed above-average temperatures during this 11-month period. . . .

Other noteworthy November climate event include:

Drought: The area of extreme to exceptional drought in the Lower 48 increased from 4.9% to 8.7%; in the Southeast it nearly doubled from 19.7% to 36.2%.
Wildfires: In November, 8,560 wildfires raged across the Continental U.S. and burned more than 275,000 acres, most notably in the Southeast.
North Dakota experienced temperatures 12.8 degrees F above average, nearly 2 degrees above the previous record set in 1999.
Alaska experienced its warmest year to date on record, a full 6 degrees F above average.
Pacific Northwest experienced above-normal precipitation during autumn along the coast. Washington state was record wet.
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[rushmc 23]

billvon

> What then did man do to cause the end of it? It ended about 1850. Why did it end?

So today you are a type III.

"OK, so maybe the climate is warming, and maybe we had something to do with it. But it's a GOOD thing!"

It's hard to keep track of what kind of denial is going on here at any given time. For the past week or so, Rush has switched back to type I. "See? It's getting colder! There's no global warming! Those global warming alarmists are sure going to look stupid when it gets cold this winter."

Actually Bill, the point was the planet was cooling at a rate not seen before. That is what the article said anyway. And since it has been pointed out here many times that the planet has been warmer and cooler in the past, YOU post about the unprecedented pace of the change.

But you will ignore the pace of the cooling.

Go figure.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DJL 235]

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Actually Bill, the point was the planet was cooling at a rate not seen before. That is what the article said anyway.

Your article is based on a crock of shit. Do you not read the words in front of you? https://weather.com/news/news/breitbart-misleads-americans-climate-change?cm_ven=T_WX_CD_120616_2

The article your source is referencing is the same one referred to in this news cast. Again, you are not capable of processing the information in front of you. Go get some sleep.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher