The weakness of the right

[gowlerk 2,246]

And why society keeps moving further toward progress while a minority dig their heels in and resist change. In these time all the good things are coming from areas of the world that tend toward progress. And tend toward liberalism of some sort. This is why Clinton wins the popular vote, and why even though they have won this election they are frustrated at every turn.

http://ipolitics.ca/2016/11/28/the-thin-blue-whine-trump-leitch-and-crybaby-conservatism/

All you hear from them is a low pitched whine about how bad they have it. While they sit and watch the world change around them and pass them by. They have nothing to offer but inertia.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 3,063]

But they do have strengths.

One is that they tend to (eventually) adopt the progress that the left embraces. While most of the right in the US does not support marriage rights for gays, they do support marriage rights for interracial couples - and that's a big change from 40 years ago. Thus any weakness that intolerance causes is not permanent, and is eventually removed.

The second is that not everyone can adapt to change quickly. Some prefer to take change more slowly, and these people prefer a political party that tends to resist change. Some people cannot tolerate change at all, and they find even more solace in a party that rails against the rapid changes in society we're seeing. (They, of course, are eventually replaced by new people who cannot tolerate change - but the new people are born in a more progressive environment, so their baseline that they want to protect is already more progressive.)

The key is "where to draw the line?" If you had a party that accepted every new advance in civil rights, science, tolerance etc you'd leave most of the country behind. If you had a party that could not accept that blacks had rights, you would once again leave most of the country behind. The key is to find a stance which is as inclusive of voters as possible. Right now that stance includes black rights almost all the time, and gay rights occasionally. It includes the science of evolution 50% of the time - but not the science behind climate change. As time goes on, and people who can accept change do (and as people who can't accept change retire from politics and voting) then those lines will move as well.

[airdvr 210]

If your party's agenda is so great how do you explain the lost seats in 2014 and 2016?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[jakee 1,558]

airdvr

If your party's agenda is so great how do you explain the lost seats in 2014 and 2016?

That was kinda the premise of the article.

Agree with the explanation or not, but asking how he explains it when the whole point of the post is a link to the thoughts of a guy who attempts to explain it only shows that you really aren't paying attention.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[gowlerk 2,246]

airdvr

If your party's agenda is so great how do you explain the lost seats in 2014 and 2016?

It's not really about party's and seats. It about change and progress. I actually believe conservatism is an important element in society. It is true that too much change too quickly is disruptive and probably destructive as well.

But what I'm talking about is the angry gnashing of teeth and insulting behavior shown by many people on the right. Things like referring to people as being "butt hurt" when they disagree for example. I mean seriously, how can you take someone who talks like that seriously? I'm talking about how they revert to school yard type actions when they are offended. And how easily they do get offended.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[airdvr 210]

jakee

***If your party's agenda is so great how do you explain the lost seats in 2014 and 2016?

That was kinda the premise of the article.

Agree with the explanation or not, but asking how he explains it when the whole point of the post is a link to the thoughts of a guy who attempts to explain it only shows that you really aren't paying attention.

I looked at the article. It lost me with the headline about whining.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[rushmc 23]

Actually the anger you post about being shown by the left.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,246]

You can find examples on both sides. But the leaders of the right engage in angry rhetoric as a standard. They know how to whip the rabble up to a frenzy and they do it all the time. There is no left wing equivalent to right wing talk show media. It was tried, but they couldn't make it work.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

gowlerk

You can find examples on both sides. But the leaders of the right engage in angry rhetoric as a standard. They know how to whip the rabble up to a frenzy and they do it all the time. There is no left wing equivalent to right wing talk show media. It was tried, but they couldn't make it work.

It was the left and their mainstream media whotried the anger tactic in the election and it failed on them. But you're drinking the Kool-Aid of the left and you believe what you believe. So be it.

Also you show you have not listened to any right-wing media as you call it at all. You have to be getting that opinion given to you from somebody else. If you had listened you would know that the anger that you speak of is not there.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,558]

Dude, the argument's a goner - he's in full 'looking glass' mode. Literally anything you can name will be the left's fault. Racism? Mostly the left. War in Iraq? Did you know the left was responsible for that? Liberals being beaten up at conservative rallies? Yeah that was totally other liberals doing that.

So instead of trying to have a real conversation, just see how far you can go with it. If you phrase it right I bet you could even get him to blame Trump's wall idea on the Democratic party.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[gowlerk 2,246]

I know. Rush will come back with endless variations of "I know you are but what am I". I only occasionally engage with him.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[quade 4]

airdvr

If your party's agenda is so great how do you explain the lost seats in 2014 and 2016?

Have you met the most important member of the GOP? His name is Gerry Mander.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

quade

***If your party's agenda is so great how do you explain the lost seats in 2014 and 2016?

Have you met the most important member of the GOP? His name is Gerry Mander. excuses excuses. You guys will never learn. And I love it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

jakee

Dude, the argument's a goner - he's in full 'looking glass' mode. Literally anything you can name will be the left's fault. Racism? Mostly the left. War in Iraq? Did you know the left was responsible for that? Liberals being beaten up at conservative rallies? Yeah that was totally other liberals doing that.

So instead of trying to have a real conversation, just see how far you can go with it. If you phrase it right I bet you could even get him to blame Trump's wall idea on the Democratic party.

I am looking forward to have the opportunity to help pay for the wall.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,063]

>I am looking forward to have the opportunity to help pay for the wall.

How will you help pay for the wall?

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>I am looking forward to have the opportunity to help pay for the wall.

How will you help pay for the wall?

If asked I will send money.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,063]

>If asked I will send money.

I support your right to send money to anything you want. I generally choose different charities, but to each their own.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>If asked I will send money.

I support your right to send money to anything you want. I generally choose different charities, but to each their own.

Hey, I don't mind spending money to keep my country safe

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,063]

>Hey, I don't mind spending money to keep my country safe

Like I said, do whatever floats your boat. (Your money would be better spent on research into contagious disease if your goal is to keep your country safe, but I know how excited the wall makes you.)

[airdvr 210]

quade

***If your party's agenda is so great how do you explain the lost seats in 2014 and 2016?

Have you met the most important member of the GOP? His name is Gerry Mander.

Is the GOP the only ones who know how that works?

Please don't dent the planet.

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[PhreeZone 20]

They are the only ones that spend $30 million in 2010 to do it via Project RedMap

Yesterday is history
And tomorrow is a mystery

Parachutemanuals.com

[normiss 843]

Bingo.

[gowlerk 2,246]

Sort of like keeping those pesky people in a ghetto. Not a physical one, but an artificial mythical one. But 2020 will be another census year. The cycle may change. Then you will hear howls from the crybaby right.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 23]

gowlerk

Sort of like keeping those pesky people in a ghetto. Not a physical one, but an artificial mythical one. But 2020 will be another census year. The cycle may change. Then you will hear howls from the crybaby right.

Actually the crybabies are on the left....

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/30/politics/banerian-death-threats-cnntv/index.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,246]

rushmc

***Sort of like keeping those pesky people in a ghetto. Not a physical one, but an artificial mythical one. But 2020 will be another census year. The cycle may change. Then you will hear howls from the crybaby right.

Actually the crybabies are on the left....

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/30/politics/banerian-death-threats-cnntv/index.html


What are you talking about? That's a story about a crybaby Republican elector complaining that he is frightened to do his job because "lefties are scaring me". He is probably full of shit, he has offered no proof. If he was really getting death threats the police would get involved. They just keep on whining....

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.