Russiagate

[Phil1111 1,149]

ryoder

Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-investigation.html

I don't get Fox Fake news. But they must, no they have to be blaming this on BO.

There will be no more BS, no more hiding in the bushes, or anywhere else.

Where was that poll on the number of days that trump has left?

[Stumpy 284]

Tape of Ryan et al saying Putin pays trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.0e5b3993409d

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[yoink 321]

Stumpy

Tape of Ryan et al saying Putin pays trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.0e5b3993409d

This is a good example of dangerous news.

As of that report it's just one guy's opinion, no matter how he's placed in the party - We have no idea what caused him to have it.
That Ryan shut down the conversation is interesting but predictable and that's about it. I'd expect that conversation to have gone 'unless you have some pretty fucking specific evidence to back up that allegation, I suggest you shut your trap. We're supposed to all be on the same side here.'
That's what Id have said if I were Ryan.

The media will probably make it into something far larger than that without taking the time to do the proper research.

[Phil1111 1,149]

yoink

***Tape of Ryan et al saying Putin pays trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.0e5b3993409d

This is a good example of prophetic news.

As of that report it's just one guy's opinion, no matter how he's placed in the party - We have no idea what caused him to have it.
That Ryan shut down the conversation is interesting but predictable and that's about it. I'd expect that conversation to have gone 'unless you have some pretty fucking specific evidence to back up that allegation, I suggest you shut your trap. We're supposed to all be on the same side here.'
That's what Id have said if I were Ryan.

The media will probably make it into something far larger than that without taking the time to do the proper research.

Fixed it for you. Amazing from last summer, yet so able to peg the future. So analytically accurate of the present.


The Trump Presidency Falls Apart

After an extraordinary 10 days, the tenure of the chief executive may have deteriorated beyond his ability to repair it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/all-the-kings-men/526980/

LA Times six part article:

Our Dishonest President

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/?int=lat_digitaladshouse_our-dishonest-president_content-promotion_ngux_whisperer_editorial-whisperer_______

[tkhayes 348]

ryoder

Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-investigation.html

Remember - it is all fake and made up news, and the investigation is fake too. That's why we assign Special Counsels...because it is fake....

[rushmc 23]

tkhayes

***Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-investigation.html

Remember - it is all fake and made up news, and the investigation is fake too. That's why we assign Special Counsels...because it is fake....

What are you going to say when he clears Trump of collusion?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

BTW
I think this appointment is a great thing.
This man will take the 11 months of investigation, add it to his own and end it once and for all.

Then the media will have to create something new after they get done trying to destroy this man too.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,191]

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What are you going to say when he clears Trump of collusion?

By that time Trump will have done enough other crazy things that he will be long gone. For incompetence if nothing else.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

BTW
I think this appointment is a great thing.
This man will take the 11 months of investigation, add it to his own and end it once and for all.

Then the media will have to create something new after they get done trying to destroy this man too.

I will likely believe him.

What will you do if he does find something?

My prediction is you will go after his reputation. Then you will say it is all one big conspiracy and he is part of the "deep state". Then you will say something about Obama and Clinton. In the end you will tell us how you never supported Trump anyways.

[rushmc 23]

gowlerk

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What are you going to say when he clears Trump of collusion?

By that time Trump will have done enough other crazy things that he will be long gone. For incompetence if nothing else.

Question avoided

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

***BTW
I think this appointment is a great thing.
This man will take the 11 months of investigation, add it to his own and end it once and for all.

Then the media will have to create something new after they get done trying to destroy this man too.

I will likely believe him.

What will you do if he does find something?

My prediction is you will go after his reputation. Then you will say it is all one big conspiracy and he is part of the "deep state". Then you will say something about Obama and Clinton. In the end you will tell us how you never supported Trump anyways.

Nope
If something is really found then Trump should go.

But if he is cleared there will be one reputation attacked and you know it.

Question, do you choke when you try and put words into other peoples mouths?

Sounds like you do.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

I think the irony is obvious enough that I am not going to quote it....

[pchapman 279]

yoink

This is a good example of dangerous news.

Yeah, it's not until one reads further in some articles that they reveal that he might have been making a joke about the closeness of Putin - Trump ties.

Maybe. Or maybe not. I don't know.

Words are important, but context matters too.

[DJL 235]

pchapman

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This is a good example of dangerous news.

Yeah, it's not until one reads further in some articles that they reveal that he might have been making a joke about the closeness of Putin - Trump ties.

Maybe. Or maybe not. I don't know.

Words are important, but context matters too.

It was a joke. Everyone needs to quit thinking that just because someone is a politician that they aren't making wisecracks behind the scenes.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[kallend 2,027]

yoink

***Tape of Ryan et al saying Putin pays trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.0e5b3993409d

This is a good example of dangerous news.

As of that report it's just one guy's opinion, no matter how he's placed in the party - We have no idea what caused him to have it.
That Ryan shut down the conversation is interesting but predictable and that's about it. I'd expect that conversation to have gone 'unless you have some pretty fucking specific evidence to back up that allegation, I suggest you shut your trap. We're supposed to all be on the same side here.'
That's what Id have said if I were Ryan.

The media will probably make it into something far larger than that without taking the time to do the proper research.

When initially asked to comment on the exchange, Brendan Buck, a spokesman for Ryan, said: ‘That never happened,’ and Matt Sparks, a spokesman for McCarthy, said: ‘The idea that McCarthy would assert this is absurd and false.’ After being told that The Post would cite a recording of the exchange, Buck, speaking for the GOP House leadership, said: ‘This entire year-old exchange was clearly an attempt at humor.’ … ‘This was a failed attempt at humor,’ said Sparks.”

So it was false up until the GOPmeisters were made aware that evidence existed, then it became true but a joke. Got it.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[tkhayes 348]

I will be fine with the conclusion if he is cleared of collusion, just like I was fine with Clinton being cleared of anything to do with emails or Benghazi. I had not trouble with those investigations either.

Your posts in this and other threads pretty much clearly state that you believe the investigation should not even exist at all....

How are you going to be if Trump's upper campaign echelon are all linked to Russia, money, and shady contracts. I am certain you will conclude that he is untouchable and innocent, and even if every single person on the campaign is found guilty of some link, then Trump himself obviously knew nothing about it.

But of course that is possible given that Trump is actually that stupid.

How are you going to be if there are tons of evidence of trump collusion and the only way find out his innocence or guilt is to see his tax returns? Will you support that subpoena and public disclosure?

Exactly how confident are you?

Here's how confident I am. Manafort or Flynn, one or the other, will be convicted of a felony, likely in a plea deal of some kind. $100 on that. e-shake if you accept.

[rushmc 23]

tkhayes

I will be fine with the conclusion if he is cleared of collusion, just like I was fine with Clinton being cleared of anything to do with emails or Benghazi. I had not trouble with those investigations either.

Your posts in this and other threads pretty much clearly state that you believe the investigation should not even exist at all....

How are you going to be if Trump's upper campaign echelon are all linked to Russia, money, and shady contracts. I am certain you will conclude that he is untouchable and innocent, and even if every single person on the campaign is found guilty of some link, then Trump himself obviously knew nothing about it.

But of course that is possible given that Trump is actually that stupid.

How are you going to be if there are tons of evidence of trump collusion and the only way find out his innocence or guilt is to see his tax returns? Will you support that subpoena and public disclosure?

Exactly how confident are you?

Here's how confident I am. Manafort or Flynn, one or the other, will be convicted of a felony, likely in a plea deal of some kind. $100 on that. e-shake if you accept.

IMO if the evidence was there (for Trump collusion) we would have seen it already in the leaks,

And Hilary was not cleared, she was given a political pass as Comey made up law when he did what he did. And we do not know if there is an investigation into the Clinton Foundation as of yet because Comey would not comment on that.

I think Flynn is in trouble. Not because he talked to the Ambassador but rather he did not report the money he had received.

Manafort, I don't know one way or the other.
Hard to tell with all the shit that is being made up lately.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 348]

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IMO if the evidence was there (for Trump collusion) we would have seen it already in the leaks,

You make it sound like investigations never turn up anything.....

Glad you think that Flynn is in trouble, the issue will be whether trump was aware of his misgivings and hired him anyway which demonstrates a disregard for the office Trump holds and the sanctity of the institutions of national security

[rushmc 23]

tkhayes

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IMO if the evidence was there (for Trump collusion) we would have seen it already in the leaks,

You make it sound like investigations never turn up anything.....

Glad you think that Flynn is in trouble, the issue will be whether trump was aware of his misgivings and hired him anyway which demonstrates a disregard for the office Trump holds and the sanctity of the institutions of national security

Now you go a stretch things.

Sheesh...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,027]

rushmc

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IMO if the evidence was there (for Trump collusion) we would have seen it already in the leaks,

You make it sound like investigations never turn up anything.....

Glad you think that Flynn is in trouble, the issue will be whether trump was aware of his misgivings and hired him anyway which demonstrates a disregard for the office Trump holds and the sanctity of the institutions of national security

Now you go a stretch things.

Sheesh...

So how do you explain hiring Flynn after both the acting AG and the outgoing president strongly advised against it? Stupidity, arrogance, or collusion?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[headoverheels 333]

kallend

So how do you explain hiring Flynn after both the acting AG and the outgoing president strongly advised against it? Stupidity, arrogance, or collusion?

I'd say arrogance. "You can't tell me who to hire!"

[gowlerk 2,191]

headoverheels

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So how do you explain hiring Flynn after both the acting AG and the outgoing president strongly advised against it? Stupidity, arrogance, or collusion?

I'd say arrogance. "You can't tell me who to hire!"

And as a reward for loyalty. He did not have that many qualified people with him from start to finish. For some strange reason most of those who did were misfits of one type or another. Flynn probably seemed like a good guy to Trump. Flynn pledged loyalty so he got a job he should not have. Comey, who was not part of the team, would not pledge loyalty so he got fired.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[kallend 2,027]

headoverheels

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So how do you explain hiring Flynn after both the acting AG and the outgoing president strongly advised against it? Stupidity, arrogance, or collusion?

I'd say arrogance. "You can't tell me who to hire!"


OK, but I still want to see rushmc's explanation.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[ryoder 1,590]

Flynn to take the 5th amendment: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/334518-flynn-to-decline-senate-subpoena-invoke-fifth-amendment-report

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[DJL 235]

kallend

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So how do you explain hiring Flynn after both the acting AG and the outgoing president strongly advised against it? Stupidity, arrogance, or collusion?

I'd say arrogance. "You can't tell me who to hire!"


OK, but I still want to see rushmc's explanation.

And he had the gall to blame Obama for Flynn.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-04-28/trump-blames-flynns-vetting-on-obama-administration

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