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[gowlerk 2,205]

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The Bible also teaches that if a person proclaims they are a Christian we are to accept them as such. We are not to judge their level of faith, their walk or their behavior.

Then why does this not apply to BHO?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[RonD1120 62]

gowlerk

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The Bible also teaches that if a person proclaims they are a Christian we are to accept them as such. We are not to judge their level of faith, their walk or their behavior.

Then why does this not apply to BHO?

I believe it does. I do not know if he is a Christian. I have never actually heard him proclaim himself as a Christian. I know he honors Islam and he removed the National Prayer Breakfast. He betrayed to sanctity of marriage as described in the Bible. That is his fruit.

He is still a progressive left wing liberal socialist and that earns him a solid place on my black list.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Phil1111 1,149]

RonD1120

***I know you can't look into the hearts of other men (except Obama, apparently) but in your opinion was/is Jimmy Carter a good and true Christian?

I believe President Jimmy Carter is a good man and he professees to be a Christian. Only God knows the heart and quality of a good Christian.

The Bible says that to be a Christian you have to believe in faith that 1) Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; 2) Jesus died on the cross as the propitiation of all sin, for all peoples, for all time; 3) Jesus was resurrected from the dead and is available to all who call on Him for salvation. Then you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord you will be saved.

That is it. That is the simple truth.

The Bible also teaches that if a person proclaims they are a Christian we are to accept them as such. We are not to judge their level of faith, their walk or their behavior. We can only examine their fruit of the Holy Spirit and even that is risky. We are only to hold them in prayer.

I thought that that was an excellent question, pertinent, material to the issues. Mr. Carter, IMO is exemplary of what a Christian is. Setting aside the merits of this presidency. Which had the misfortune of the energy crisis, Iran hostage, etc.

As for Ron's answer, I think the Romans are off the road.
https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-10-judged-your-deeds-romans-26-11

A recent book:
https://www.amazon.ca/Call-Action-Women-Religion-Violence/dp/1476773955

And Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/12/27/role-faith-in-president-jimmy-carter-life.html

[GeorgiaDon 362]

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He betrayed to sanctity of marriage as described in the Bible.

How so? He has been married to only one woman, and has never been accused of straying from that marriage. Your preferred leader is on his third marriage, has had adulterous affairs to which he has admitted (such as with his eventual second wife while still married to his first) and many others that have been credibly alleged. He brags about being able to assault women and get away with it. By what "logic" does the faithful husband betray the sanctity of marriage while the philanderer does not?

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[gowlerk 2,205]

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I do not know if he is a Christian.

He is somewhat like you in fact.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/12/22/obama-faith/?utm_term=.06d150af8727

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Obama did not grow up in a religious household and became a practicing Christian as an adult. He has written more extensively about his spiritual awakening than almost any other modern president, addressing it in two books before he was elected to the White House and in more than a dozen speeches since.

Do you believe he is saved?

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I didn’t become a Christian until many years later, when I moved to the South Side of Chicago after college. It happened not because of indoctrination or a sudden revelation, but because I spent month after month working with church folks who simply wanted to help neighbors who were down on their luck — no matter what they looked like, or where they came from, or who they prayed to. It was on those streets, in those neighborhoods, that I first heard God’s spirit beckon me. It was there that I felt called to a higher purpose — His purpose.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/eight-years-of-trolling-obama/



The fact is you have been lied to about BHO. And you chose to just believe the lies because of your fears.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[jakee 1,500]

RonD1120

The Bible also teaches that if a person proclaims they are a Christian we are to accept them as such. We are not to judge their level of faith, their walk or their behavior.

You must be ashamed and embarrassed to look back at how you constantly over the last 8 years (and continuously even now) wilfully failed to live up to that teaching simply because of petty partisan politics.

If nothing else, I thought your faith was stronger than that

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,500]

RonD1120

I do not know if he is a Christian. I have never actually heard him proclaim himself as a Christian.

And you claim to have been tracking him since the early 2000s? I guess that didn’t stretch to listening to anything he’s ever said, or reading anything he’s ever written. In other words, it’s dishonest bullshit.

Obama has explicitly and unmistakeably spoken and written about his Christian faith on many, many occasions, easily verifiable with the simplest of google searches.

If you have a shred of personal dignity and integrity you would go and change firm that on google then come back and apologise for everything you’ve ever said about him on the subject. Let’s see what happens, shall we?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[gowlerk 2,205]

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He is still a progressive left wing liberal socialist and that earns him a solid place on my black list.

Did you ever pray to your God and ask him to give BHO strength and guidance? Or did you ask your God to remove him?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,998]

>I do not know if he is a Christian. I have never actually heard him proclaim himself as a
>Christian. I know he honors Islam and he removed the National Prayer Breakfast.

"In our lives, Michelle and I have been strengthened by our Christian faith. But there have been times where my faith has been questioned -- by people who don’t know me -- or they’ve said that I adhere to a different religion, as if that were somehow a bad thing."

>He betrayed to sanctity of marriage as described in the Bible. That is his fruit.

Whereas Trump, who is on his third marriage, and who raped his first wife (according to her) and who paid a porn star $130,000 to have a secret affair while his wife stayed home with their newborn, has not betrayed the sanctity of marriage at all.

That is his fruit, and apparently much sweeter to you.

[JoeWeber 2,726]

jakee

***I do not know if he is a Christian. I have never actually heard him proclaim himself as a Christian.

And you claim to have been tracking him since the early 2000s? I guess that didn’t stretch to listening to anything he’s ever said, or reading anything he’s ever written. In other words, it’s dishonest bullshit.

Obama has explicitly and unmistakeably spoken and written about his Christian faith on many, many occasions, easily verifiable with the simplest of google searches.

If you have a shred of personal dignity and integrity you would go and change firm that on google then come back and apologise for everything you’ve ever said about him on the subject. Let’s see what happens, shall we?

Ron does not have a shred of decency. He has only the shards of his faith.
Amongst so many other absurd, ignorant and racist things he has written is this:

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Or what about promising ridiculous benefits to ignorant blacks. For example, that the government would pay their mortgage payments, as was the case in FL.

That ignorant black was a lady with the name of Peggy Joseph. She was at Obama's victory rally. At that rally President Obama spoke of the need for inclusiveness, not paying off mortgages. Peggy Joseph, a mother and a nurse, was simply excited that an African-American President was offering the hope of equality.

She did not say Obama was going to pay her mortgage. That was a red meat dog whistle from the right wing media. She said:" I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage."

Maybe, just maybe Ron, someone who is in an oppressed group was thinking that now that the impossible has happened and a member of their oppressed group was now President of the United Staes of America that a fair shake might be coming. You know, like the hedge fund billionaires, Goldman Sachs exec's and Joe the Plumber were thinking when Trump was elected.

jakee asked and I agree: it's time for an apology.

[ryoder 1,590]

Mueller files new charges against Manafort and Gates
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/politics/new-charges-manafort-and-gates/index.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

billvon

>I do not know if he is a Christian. I have never actually heard him proclaim himself as a
>Christian. I know he honors Islam and he removed the National Prayer Breakfast.

"In our lives, Michelle and I have been strengthened by our Christian faith. But there have been times where my faith has been questioned -- by people who don’t know me -- or they’ve said that I adhere to a different religion, as if that were somehow a bad thing."

>He betrayed to sanctity of marriage as described in the Bible. That is his fruit.

Whereas Trump, who is on his third marriage, and who raped his first wife (according to her) and who paid a porn star $130,000 to have a secret affair while his wife stayed home with their newborn, has not betrayed the sanctity of marriage at all.

That is his fruit, and apparently much sweeter to you.

Well, first off, Obama never "removed the National Prayer Breakfast." Pure and unadulterated bullshit promoted by those who hate him.
He treated other religions with tolerance and respect. We can't have that

And don't forget that Obama was President when the Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage was legal. And Obama appointed two of the sitting justices that were part of that decision.
So gay marriage is all Obama's fault.

And of course, Trump admitted on tape that he committed the crime of sexual assault. He's also had multiple credible accusations of it. And was facing a lawsuit by an underage girl (criminal charges were not an option due to the statute of limitations).

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[rushmc 23]

Hey! I just want to know the name of the woman he admitted assaulting?

Of course you won't be able to come up with that name because there isn't one. He was making the generic comment about what he thought he could do. He didn't admit to doing anything. The mischaracterization and lies that continue on subjects like that are disgusting and destructive. Congratulations

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JoeWeber 2,726]

rushmc

Hey! I just want to know the name of the woman he admitted assaulting?

Of course you won't be able to come up with that name because there isn't one. He was making the generic comment about what he thought he could do. He didn't admit to doing anything. The mischaracterization and lies that continue on subjects like that are disgusting and destructive. Congratulations

Klaatu barada nikto

[wmw999 2,452]

He did not have sex with that woman.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

He did not have sex with that woman.

Wendy P.

After some of the posts you made about me Wendy, I've come to expect more from you.

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=psmOWsSEGYK-sAXMlo7QDg&q=Klaatu+barada+nikto+&oq=Klaatu+barada+nikto+&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3..0l5.4043.4043..6010...0....200.200.2-1..........1..mobile-gws-wiz-hp.....2..41.5ULgrZ4BBqA%3D

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,027]

RonD1120

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The Bible also teaches that if a person proclaims they are a Christian we are to accept them as such. We are not to judge their level of faith, their walk or their behavior.

Then why does this not apply to BHO?

I believe it does. I do not know if he is a Christian. I have never actually heard him proclaim himself as a Christian. I know he honors Islam and he removed the National Prayer Breakfast. He betrayed to sanctity of marriage as described in the Bible. That is his fruit.



You are clearly thinking of Trump, not BHO.

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He is still a progressive left wing liberal socialist and that earns him a solid place on my black list.

So was Jesus. Did you ever read the Sermon on the Mount?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,027]

ryoder

Mueller files new charges against Manafort and Gates
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/politics/new-charges-manafort-and-gates/index.html

The Best People (TM)

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wmw999 2,452]

The "he" in that case doesn't refer to you. It refers to Bill Clinton.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 62]

gowlerk

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He is still a progressive left wing liberal socialist and that earns him a solid place on my black list.

Did you ever pray to your God and ask him to give BHO strength and guidance? Or did you ask your God to remove him?

Whenever the Holy Spirit leads me to pray for the president I always pray for wisdom and guidance for him. That did in fact include Obama.

Now I pray the same for Trump as he shakes up the Washington cartel and seeks to drain the swamp.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Phil1111 1,149]

RonD1120

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He is still a progressive left wing liberal socialist and that earns him a solid place on my black list.

Did you ever pray to your God and ask him to give BHO strength and guidance? Or did you ask your God to remove him?

Whenever the Holy Spirit leads me to pray for the president I always pray for wisdom and guidance for him. That did in fact include Obama.

Now I pray the same for Trump as he shakes up the Washington cartel and seeks to drain the swamp.

I don't know if you've read the latest Mueller indictments of Gates and Manafort. But you should because the hills of Tennessee are interfering with the messages to God.

Over $30 million of illegal payments to Manafort laundered into US real estate, of which Gates got $3 million to help. The trump Russia cartel to launder cash has created a swamp from Washington DC to NYC.

[RonD1120 62]

gowlerk

And you chose to just believe the lies because of your fears.

My fear was that a communist trained socialist and community organizer would become POTUS. And, they came to fruition.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

*** And you chose to just believe the lies because of your fears.

My fear was that a communist trained socialist and community organizer would become POTUS. And, they came to fruition.

And yet you fully support a con man, thief, liar and sexual predator who has sold out to the Russians.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[RonD1120 62]

JoeWeber

******I do not know if he is a Christian. I have never actually heard him proclaim himself as a Christian.

And you claim to have been tracking him since the early 2000s? I guess that didn’t stretch to listening to anything he’s ever said, or reading anything he’s ever written. In other words, it’s dishonest bullshit.

Obama has explicitly and unmistakeably spoken and written about his Christian faith on many, many occasions, easily verifiable with the simplest of google searches.

If you have a shred of personal dignity and integrity you would go and change firm that on google then come back and apologise for everything you’ve ever said about him on the subject. Let’s see what happens, shall we?

Ron does not have a shred of decency. He has only the shards of his faith.
Amongst so many other absurd, ignorant and racist things he has written is this:

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Or what about promising ridiculous benefits to ignorant blacks. For example, that the government would pay their mortgage payments, as was the case in FL.

That ignorant black was a lady with the name of Peggy Joseph. She was at Obama's victory rally. At that rally President Obama spoke of the need for inclusiveness, not paying off mortgages. Peggy Joseph, a mother and a nurse, was simply excited that an African-American President was offering the hope of equality.

She did not say Obama was going to pay her mortgage. That was a red meat dog whistle from the right wing media. She said:" I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage."

Maybe, just maybe Ron, someone who is in an oppressed group was thinking that now that the impossible has happened and a member of their oppressed group was now President of the United Staes of America that a fair shake might be coming. You know, like the hedge fund billionaires, Goldman Sachs exec's and Joe the Plumber were thinking when Trump was elected.

jakee asked and I agree: it's time for an apology.

Let me be perfectly clear. I am a Christian. I voted for Bush, McCain, Romney and Trump. I do not owe anyone an apology for my decisions. You may disagree and become angry, those are your choices. I understand we are on opposite sides of the fence.

Something you posed in an earlier post got me thinking. Is your DZ in a predominantly white area? Are your jumpers predominantly middle class whites? Do they pay for services with welfare dollars? Does that make you a racist?

I don't think so.

Likewise, I am not a racist because I chose to live in the mountains among fellow Christians.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

wolfriverjoe

****** And you chose to just believe the lies because of your fears.

My fear was that a communist trained socialist and community organizer would become POTUS. And, they came to fruition.

And yet you fully support a con man, thief, liar and sexual predator who has sold out to the Russians.

He was the only one who could beat Hillary. He has never been convicted on any of those alleged charges. Maybe he will, I doubt it. Meanwhile, there he is POTUS.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.