Russiagate

[RonD1120 62]

JoeWeber

*********I know there is no way you can comprehend what I am about to tell you, AEB your long standing opposition to me. However, there is a difference between my personal faith in God through Jesus the Christ and my social/political values. I have attempted to explain that on many occasions.

Jesus (the one described in the Bible) was very clearly a progressive liberal in today's vocabulary, and makes this very obvious in his teachings, especially the Sermon.

You repudiate all those values yet still claim to be a follower. If there really is an afterlife, I expect you will be in for a big surprise.

I believe what is going to surprise me is seeing who made it and who did not. However, such thoughts of surprise or sorrow are not possible. We will not have any thoughts about our earthly lives. It is another dimension where time and space are one. It is going to be a WOW trip.

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another dimension where time and space are one"

I knew that when you stepped in it and further revealed your racism by calling that women an "ignorant black", when in fact you were mis-quoting her, that this thread would become most entertaining. Now, we have you establishing that just past the Pearly Gates is a real wowser of a space time continuum. I'm assuming that Minkowski, after reading 2000 year old books written by desert dwellers, gave you the insight.

No, that one came from Albert Einstein.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[JoeWeber 2,726]

RonD1120

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It means I have not gotten over 9-11 yet. Those people came into my country as friends and then attacked us killing more people we lost at Pearl Harbor. It means BHO did not secure our borders while he was in office.

But.....Bush was POTUS in 2001. And he made it very clear that it was a war on terror, not a war on Muslims. I'm thinking it is quite likely that because you are against progressives of any kind, you were against BHO. And that is easy to understand. You are a conservative. But that does not make it right to accuse BHO of being a "secret Muslim" which is what conservatives really mean when going after him.

Seriously again, BHO is and was at the time a good and upstanding family man. Someone who always treated his wife and children properly, as well as those around him. Even if you hate his policies can you not respect the man for being a good and decent man? I mean apart from being a liberal.

And while I'm at it, this whole thing about being against progressives. Does that mean you are against progress?

(I know, I'm asking two different unrelated questions here. If you answer them both I will answer some from you. That is if you are curious enough to ask.)

This is way into rabbit hole tangents. I believe BHO is a strong and good family man.

Progressive liberalism does not support progress as much as it is for power and control over anyone in disagreement. One of the main insidious tactics is to use political correctness as a strategy to create victims. Progressive liberalism is teaching people to identify with victimized minority groups. I do not like what is happening in my country.

I make generalized statements against Muslims. I deal with Muslims empathically on a 1:1 basis. I functioned that way as a substance abuse disorder treatment counselor working with court ordered clients.

If Muhammed moves into my community I will engage him empathically. If he shouts Allahu Akbar in my church I will draw my weapon.

Allahu Akbar means God is Greater. Saying that in church is cool, yes? Well, unless you are a racist who describes people of Arabic decent as "Muhammed's", that is. In that case, thank almighty God that we can pack pistols so we can waste those insolent assholes.

[JoeWeber 2,726]

RonD1120

************I know there is no way you can comprehend what I am about to tell you, AEB your long standing opposition to me. However, there is a difference between my personal faith in God through Jesus the Christ and my social/political values. I have attempted to explain that on many occasions.

Jesus (the one described in the Bible) was very clearly a progressive liberal in today's vocabulary, and makes this very obvious in his teachings, especially the Sermon.

You repudiate all those values yet still claim to be a follower. If there really is an afterlife, I expect you will be in for a big surprise.

I believe what is going to surprise me is seeing who made it and who did not. However, such thoughts of surprise or sorrow are not possible. We will not have any thoughts about our earthly lives. It is another dimension where time and space are one. It is going to be a WOW trip.

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another dimension where time and space are one"

I knew that when you stepped in it and further revealed your racism by calling that women an "ignorant black", when in fact you were mis-quoting her, that this thread would become most entertaining. Now, we have you establishing that just past the Pearly Gates is a real wowser of a space time continuum. I'm assuming that Minkowski, after reading 2000 year old books written by desert dwellers, gave you the insight.

No, that one came from Albert Einstein.

Easy Ron,

You are way out of your depth at the moment; your natural steady state, actually.

Until you understand, or even respect, the implications of special relativity why not stick to arguing about whether a Christian standing on prayer rug becomes a Muslim.

[gowlerk 2,205]

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I make generalized statements against Muslims.

I dislike all of the major religions. I dislike that one the most. Based mostly on the events of the day. In the days of the crusades I would have said your religion was the one I liked the least. In the time and place that Jesus was said to be alive I would have disliked the one we now call Judaism the most. Organized religion has always been used for evil as well as good.

Progressive liberalism has brought great freedoms to our world. The US constitution and the revolution were all about progress and liberalism. Like all great changes they were bitterly opposed by conservatives who were frightened that their world would be changed in unknown and frightening ways.

The freedom of slaves, votes for women, and yes the freedom of men to have sex with each other. These are all examples of more freedom being given to more people against the wishes of frightened conservatives. Going back further the freedom of serfs from Barons and Lords is progressive liberalism. And was opposed by men in power and the church.

You say that liberalism is about taking power and control. It is. It is about taking power and control away from the elites and giving it to more people.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[kallend 2,027]

RonD1120

Progressive liberalism does not support progress as much as it is for power and control over anyone in disagreement. One of the main insidious tactics is to use political correctness as a strategy to create victims. Progressive liberalism is teaching people to identify with victimized minority groups. I do not like what is happening in my country.

So you hate Jesus, because he was a progressive liberal who supported minorities.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,027]

As expected, Gates pleads GUILTY and will cooperate with the Mueller team. Two new indictments against Manafort.

The Best People (TM)

www.politico.com/story/2018/02/23/gates-set-to-plead-guilty-to-conspiracy-and-false-statement-charges-423403


Lots of meat in this nothingburger.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Phil1111 1,149]

kallend

As expected, Gates pleads GUILTY and will cooperate with the Mueller team. Two new indictments against Manafort.

The Best People (TM)

www.politico.com/story/2018/02/23/gates-set-to-plead-guilty-to-conspiracy-and-false-statement-charges-423403


Lots of meat in this nothingburger.

If you want meat there is a whole series of excellent stories in The Nation. Which is the oldest US weekly magazine.

Could Paul Manafort Bring Down the Whole Trump Family?
He sits atop a massive tangle of ties to Russia, pro-Russian Ukrainians, and shady New York real-estate deals.
https://www.thenation.com/article/could-paul-manafort-bring-down-the-whole-trump-family/

In addition The Atlantic has a great story in the March,2018 edition.

The Plot Against America
Decades before he ran the Trump campaign, Paul Manafort’s pursuit of foreign cash and shady deals laid the groundwork for the corruption of Washington.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/

Manafort makes President Nixon look like an altar boy.

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RonD1120

. If he shouts Allahu Akbar in my church I will draw my weapon.

Wow.

Just. FUCKING. Wow.

[JoeWeber 2,726]

yoink

***. If he shouts Allahu Akbar in my church I will draw my weapon.

Wow.

Just. FUCKING. Wow.

Right. I've tried desperately, and quite apparently futiley, to get Ron to see anything outside of his astonishingly narrow world view. My score is zero.

It's not surprising, really. His faith, twinned with his apocalyptic hopes ie. the return of his God or the certain to arrive cataclysm caused by progressive liberalism preclude him from seriously considering the opinions of others. Nope. We just get a bible passage instead.

He's lost in his salvation and unworthy of anyones time anymore. Better to kick a barking dog knowing it won't stop barking.

[gowlerk 2,205]

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Allahu Akbar means God is Greater. Saying that in church is cool, yes?

I'm going to give Ron a pass on this one. You are correct about the meaning. But I do believe he was referring to someone not just saying it, but shouting it. It has sometimes been shouted by terrorists as they attack, and that was the context he was speaking of.

It does illustrate the fear that we in the west have of Arabs now though. It would do us all well to remember that sowing fear and mistrust between Arabs and western Christians is exactly what Bin Laden's goal was. Among his other plans, causing the US to go to war was a big goal. He saw it as a way to drive a wedge between the house of Saud and the US so that his group could take over in the Muslim holy land. Believe it or not, he thought they were not religious enough.

My point is that he wanted more hate. He has been wildly successful.

But Ron, you should consider that Allah Akbar is a common peaceful greeting in Arabic. It's like a Christian saying "God bless you" in it's normal use.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,998]

>Progressive liberalism does not support progress as much as it is for power and
>control over anyone in disagreement.

And yet liberalism has done far more for the powerless and the dissenting than conservatism has - especially over the past 40 years or so. Gay rights? Minority rights? Women's rights? Those have all been liberal causes. Have a different opinion? Want to talk about it, post about it, have a website for it that can't be "throttled" for profit reasons? Again, liberals are the ones fighting for those rights.

Meanwhile, conservatism seeks to impose their morality on women, and seeks to preserve the power of corporations; they regularly attack minority, women's and LGBT rights. The primarily white male Protestant leadership of the GOP wants the power to stay with white male Protestants (understandably) and they see any other group that seeks the same rights as a threat.

>If he shouts Allahu Akbar in my church I will draw my weapon.

Fortunately, if you say "Jesus Christ!" he will not do the same. Not everyone is that afraid.

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And, I still believe he is a Muslim sympathizer.

would Jesus have a problem with Muslim sympathizers in general?

Not to add any perceived validity to your statement, but it would seem that Jesus would not be pleased with your faux judgement of others, especially with the obvious negative intent and dislike with which you carry it.

[RonD1120 62]

gowlerk

You say that liberalism is about taking power and control. It is. It is about taking power and control away from the elites and giving it to more people.

Where in the world today is this concept working? I can only think of China, maybe. However, I do not think the people have the power.

Is it working in Canada?

I have very little knowledge regarding life in Canada. All I know is that Canadians come to America to satisfy their needs, wants and desires. That is my opinion based on my experiences living in FL. I think you even once mentioned that you are a truck driver in America to earn a living.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

gowlerk

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Allahu Akbar means God is Greater. Saying that in church is cool, yes?

I'm going to give Ron a pass on this one. You are correct about the meaning. But I do believe he was referring to someone not just saying it, but shouting it. It has sometimes been shouted by terrorists as they attack, and that was the context he was speaking of.

It does illustrate the fear that we in the west have of Arabs now though. It would do us all well to remember that sowing fear and mistrust between Arabs and western Christians is exactly what Bin Laden's goal was. Among his other plans, causing the US to go to war was a big goal. He saw it as a way to drive a wedge between the house of Saud and the US so that his group could take over in the Muslim holy land. Believe it or not, he thought they were not religious enough.

My point is that he wanted more hate. He has been wildly successful.

But Ron, you should consider that Allah Akbar is a common peaceful greeting in Arabic. It's like a Christian saying "God bless you" in it's normal use.

You nailed it with this post.

And, I agree with your last statement. The tone of voice in expressing Allahu Akbar is significant. To be honest, if I hear the expression at all I will go into maximum hypervigilance.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

yoink

***. If he shouts Allahu Akbar in my church I will draw my weapon.

Wow.

Just. FUCKING. Wow.

We have two Muslim training camps, that I know of, in GA. Yes, we are on guard here.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Phil1111 1,149]

RonD1120

******. If he shouts Allahu Akbar in my church I will draw my weapon.

Wow.

Just. FUCKING. Wow.

We have two Muslim training camps, that I know of, in GA. Yes, we are on guard here.

Ron ...its time for hypervigilance...your data is old and you're actually surrounded.
https://www.salatomatic.com/reg/zmRgsyhrWJ

[RonD1120 62]

Phil1111

*********. If he shouts Allahu Akbar in my church I will draw my weapon.

Wow.

Just. FUCKING. Wow.

We have two Muslim training camps, that I know of, in GA. Yes, we are on guard here.

Ron ...its time for hypervigilance...your data is old and you're actually surrounded.
https://www.salatomatic.com/reg/zmRgsyhrWJ

Yes, CAIR is close to taking over the Hillsborough County FL School System. I do not like what is happening.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[JoeWeber 2,726]

RonD1120

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Allahu Akbar means God is Greater. Saying that in church is cool, yes?

I'm going to give Ron a pass on this one. You are correct about the meaning. But I do believe he was referring to someone not just saying it, but shouting it. It has sometimes been shouted by terrorists as they attack, and that was the context he was speaking of.

It does illustrate the fear that we in the west have of Arabs now though. It would do us all well to remember that sowing fear and mistrust between Arabs and western Christians is exactly what Bin Laden's goal was. Among his other plans, causing the US to go to war was a big goal. He saw it as a way to drive a wedge between the house of Saud and the US so that his group could take over in the Muslim holy land. Believe it or not, he thought they were not religious enough.

My point is that he wanted more hate. He has been wildly successful.

But Ron, you should consider that Allah Akbar is a common peaceful greeting in Arabic. It's like a Christian saying "God bless you" in it's normal use.

You nailed it with this post.

And, I agree with your last statement. The tone of voice in expressing Allahu Akbar is significant. To be honest, if I hear the expression at all I will go into maximum hypervigilance.

And just what is maximum hyper vigilance? Merely a hand on your pistol?

I'm impressed that you have two Muslim training camps. Are they training to be Muslims? Terrorists? Ice Cream truck drivers? And how do you know what they are training for? If they plan nastiness I'll assume you've alerted the FBI. Do tell.

Here in Oregon we had Rajneeshees for a while. Not the same obviously, but for us not too shabby.

[RonD1120 62]

I am familiar with Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh. Not the same. Suggest moving over to Domestic Enemies thread.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[JoeWeber 2,726]

RonD1120

I am familiar with Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh. Not the same. Suggest moving over to Domestic Enemies thread.

I wouldn't blame the mod's for screaming thread drift, but it was you who claimed that you had two Muslim training camps in Georgia. Given that you made the claim as a way to justify why you need to be armed and on guard, I think it's fair to ask you to explain what kind training goes on in these camps and how you know it.

[gowlerk 2,205]

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Where in the world today is this concept working?

It's working for you. You have the power to choose the life you want and worship as you wish. That is a result of liberal democracy.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[gowlerk 2,205]

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I have very little knowledge regarding life in Canada. All I know is that Canadians come to America to satisfy their needs, wants and desires.

Eastern Canadians go to FL in the winter to escape the cold for a while. Western Canadians tend to go to AZ or CA for the same reason. Like Americans, some of us go to NV to satisfy other "needs, wants and desires."

Life in Canada is very much like life in America. Even the TV shows are the same. Since NAFTA even the beer is the same. We even have enclaves of religious people living together. And in the cities we have immigrants for you to fear. You would do fine in Canada. The biggest adjustment you would face is there are fewer black people for you to avoid. You would just have to do what Canadians who are like you do. Fear first nations people instead.

Canada is not so bad. Cadet bones spurs might have come here to avoid the draft if he was not rich enough to bribe a doctor to lie for him.

Oh, and you would probably have to give up some of your arsenal. Or at least modify it.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[kallend 2,027]

You may want to re-read Luke 10:25–37 and ponder on its meaning.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RonD1120 62]

kallend

You may want to re-read Luke 10:25–37 and ponder on its meaning.

1:1 Amen.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

... I think you even once mentioned that you are a truck driver in America to earn a living.

Well, I do believe he's a Canadian truck driver who comes to America to deliver his freight.

It's a bit complicated, and somewhat obscure, but that "progressive, liberal" idea of free trade got us NAFTA, which allows for reasonably easy and free trade across the border. Canada is the US's 2nd largest trade partner and the largest consumer of US exports.

Part of the NAFTA agreement is that drivers from each country can deliver and pick up freight in the other country.
But not transport within the other country.

So he can bring Canadian freight into the US and deliver it, and then pick up freight in the US to take back into Canada.
I drive truck as a US citizen and can do the same thing in reverse.

My routing has changed and I haven't been "up north" in a couple years, but it was always interesting and somewhat fun to go into Canada. Seeing different people, a (slightly) different culture, beautiful scenery and pretty good coffee were all educational and informative.

Being exposed to different experiences can be eye opening, if one is open minded enough to appreciate it.

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