Russiagate

[yoink 321]

billvon

But banned? There's a list of things you can be banned for, and regurgitating mass-media sound bites isn't one of them.

Persistent breaking of the dz.com rules is, and trolling is against those rules - in fact it's number 1 in the list.
I'm sure I don't need to provide you a link.

Trolling:
Per his hotness: 'posting inflammatory material specifically to provoke a negative response'.
Per you:'of course he's a troll'.

Enforce the rules.

[billvon 2,998]

>Persistent breaking of the dz.com rules is, and trolling is against those rules - in fact it's
>number 1 in the list. I'm sure I don't need to provide you a link.

Yes. And Speaker's Corner is a place where people go to specifically post things about politics, guns and religion. If it keeps such nonsense out of the topical forums (and it usually does) it's worth it.

The traditional definition of a troll is someone who posts solely or primarily to sow rancor and discord in a community - and in the rest of DZ.com that's the definition we use. (And several people here have admitted to posting to do that, including the poster in question here.) However, here I use a somewhat tighter definition, one that includes intentional deception.

Here's a good example of the tighter definition from Urban Dictionary:
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Trolling

The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame.

The most essential part of trolling is convincing your victim that either a) truly believe in what you are saying, no matter how outrageous, or b) give your victim malicious instructions, under the guise of help.

Trolling requires deceiving; any trolling that doesn't involve deceiving someone isn't trolling at all; it's just stupid. As such, your victim must not know that you are trolling; if he does, you are an unsuccessful troll.
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This means that a guy who really, honestly believes that the Earth is flat - and posts his beliefs - isn't a troll under that definition, even if he enjoys the rancor his posts create.

The reason I make this distinction here is specifically because SC is intended as a place to post political (and often divisive) opinions. And someone might enjoy the discord that their posts create even though they are expressing their honest opinions on a topic. In those cases, I often let it slide - because while they my post inflammatory material, and enjoy the division it creates, it is not done with deception in mind.

If a lot of people here have an issue with this interpretation, PM me and I will take it up with the other mods and/or Willem.

[DJL 235]

rushmc

When I get post like this I even come to a bigger understanding that many of you haven't got a fucking idea what you're talking about! You're getting your talking points and news from CNN and other places like that and you're not looking into the details or the issue. It's disgusting sad and funny all at the same time

I quoted Trump and Giuliani.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[nolhtairt 0]

wolfriverjoe

******That, by definition, is perjury.

Actually, perjury is much more complex than that. Also, perjury is a crime of which Clinton was acquitted.

Care to expand on how it's 'more complex'?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621

And the impeachment was as much about politics as it was about 'finding of fact.'

He paid a fairly large find ($90k) and had his law license suspended.

Fat lot of good that did. The Clintons have never been hurting financially. They're well connected, and all the speaking fees around the world to bitch about Hillary's election loss doesn't hurt either.

[nolhtairt 0]

rushmc

And now all here can understand why I rarely waste my time putting much information out there to you and the group that hate Trump so badly! You guys are a bunch of sore God damn losers. It's sad and disgusting!

Simmer down... It's the way these liberals are. It's like arguing with flat earthers. They don't ever stop until you do. Just have to wait until things happen or blow up in their faces.

[rushmc 23]

christelsabine

******The opinion of the justice department and the Supreme Court have been given into rulings over the years. A sitting president cannot be indicted on a criminal charge. The only way he can be removed from office is through impeachment! This was done purposely by the founders to ensure that what we're seeing today wouldn't happen. We have people within the government who have weaponized their departments against political differences. Nothing criminal has happened here! The left and you just can't stand to lose. And that's as sad as it gets!

The spelling and grammar clearly indicate that this was not written by rushmc, nor was it in quotes or stated to be a quote.

Who are you? And what have you done with Marc?

It's not first time I noticed serious distinctions in Rushmc's posts - it simply is too obvious. My wild guess is/was, JohnRich is his ghost writer.

Sorry to disappoint you, but it's me!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

nolhtairt

***And now all here can understand why I rarely waste my time putting much information out there to you and the group that hate Trump so badly! You guys are a bunch of sore God damn losers. It's sad and disgusting!

Simmer down... It's the way these liberals are. It's like arguing with flat earthers. They don't ever stop until you do. Just have to wait until things happen or blow up in their faces.

It is starting to blow up in their faces! But they can't see it. And you ever notice that the closer we get the things being finalized and Truth being there that they want to ban somebody because they can't afford to continue the conversation.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[nolhtairt 0]

rushmc

******And now all here can understand why I rarely waste my time putting much information out there to you and the group that hate Trump so badly! You guys are a bunch of sore God damn losers. It's sad and disgusting!

Simmer down... It's the way these liberals are. It's like arguing with flat earthers. They don't ever stop until you do. Just have to wait until things happen or blow up in their faces.

It is starting to blow up in their faces! But they can't see it. And you ever notice that the closer we get the things being finalized and Truth being there that they want to ban somebody because they can't afford to continue the conversation.

As long as we maintain civilized, they won't ban us. However, you know, this site ain't no democracy. But, at least its better moderated than Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, who like to suppress conservative views but let libtard views run rampant.

[DJL 235]

nolhtairt

*********And now all here can understand why I rarely waste my time putting much information out there to you and the group that hate Trump so badly! You guys are a bunch of sore God damn losers. It's sad and disgusting!

Simmer down... It's the way these liberals are. It's like arguing with flat earthers. They don't ever stop until you do. Just have to wait until things happen or blow up in their faces.

It is starting to blow up in their faces! But they can't see it. And you ever notice that the closer we get the things being finalized and Truth being there that they want to ban somebody because they can't afford to continue the conversation.

As long as we maintain civilized, they won't ban us. However, you know, this site ain't no democracy. But, at least its better moderated than Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, who like to suppress conservative views but let libtard views run rampant.


Stop the drama. Nobody is banning you two.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[billvon 2,998]

>I quoted Trump and Giuliani.

I'll add Nixon, a former president whose presidency is pretty comparable:

Nixon, 1972 - "I want you all to stonewall it, let them plead the Fifth Amendment, cover up, or anything else."

Trump, 2016 - "You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

Giuliani, on whether Trump will plead the 5th: "He's the president of the United States. We can assert the same privileges other presidents have."

You know your president is in trouble when all you need are his words (and his lawyer's) to demonstrate his duplicity.

[jakee 1,500]

nolhtairt

As long as we maintain civilized, they won't ban us. However, you know, this site ain't no democracy. But, at least its better moderated than Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, who like to suppress conservative views but let libtard views run rampant.

My god what is it with you right wingers needing to feel like the poor little victims every damn day of your lives?

You're not being oppressed. You're not being victimised. There isn't a great big tech giant conspiracy to stop you spreading inane conservative blogosphere reposts. (And even if there was, it'd just be the unfettered free enterprise you're supposed to love. What could possibly be wrong with a private company running its platform however it wants to?)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[DJL 235]

Yup, the them of "We're under attack from the Left" is a favorite with the Levin/Hannity/Limbough crowd. Careful, you'll get a accused of shouting them down.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[yoink 321]

rushmc

It is starting to blow up in their faces! But they can't see it. And you ever notice that the closer we get the things being finalized and Truth being there that they want to ban somebody because they can't afford to continue the conversation.

I love new information and revise my opinion as new, credible sources arise.

Look back over this thread and see how often I've posted about this particular subject - It's not often and it's never been a 'destroy Trump' agenda for the Russiagate thing. Mostly my posts in here have been to point fingers at your posting behavior but once again facts don't seem to matter to you. You post on the world as you imagine it is.

You're absolutely free to post your opinions and thoughts - but in general you don't.
You post either single links with no original commentary attached, or single statements like 'no!' or 'wrong!', again, with no avenue for discourse.

I don't think you should be banned for your opinions. I think you should be banned fort the WAY you post and use this forum and will continue to do call for it until you change the way you behave, NOT what you believe.

[yoink 321]

billvon

If a lot of people here have an issue with this interpretation, PM me and I will take it up with the other mods and/or Willem.

Good post and I have several thoughts for discussion but I don't think it should be done in private via individual PM.

If this forum is an exception to the general rules that govern the site then I'd prefer to have a more transparent conversation about it so that we can all have input bounced off each other.
Maybe start a moderated thread and I'll put my thoughts in there?

[rushmc 23]

yoink

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It is starting to blow up in their faces! But they can't see it. And you ever notice that the closer we get the things being finalized and Truth being there that they want to ban somebody because they can't afford to continue the conversation.

I love new information and revise my opinion as new, credible sources arise.

Look back over this thread and see how often I've posted about this particular subject - It's not often and it's never been a 'destroy Trump' agenda for the Russiagate thing. Mostly my posts in here have been to point fingers at your posting behavior but once again facts don't seem to matter to you. You post on the world as you imagine it is.

You're absolutely free to post your opinions and thoughts - but in general you don't.
You post either single links with no original commentary attached, or single statements like 'no!' or 'wrong!', again, with no avenue for discourse.

I don't think you should be banned for your opinions. I think you should be banned fort the WAY you post and use this forum and will continue to do call for it until you change the way you behave, NOT what you believe.


Ooooooo

Now you claim the title of behavior police! I guess I'm not surprised.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

nolhtairt

*********And now all here can understand why I rarely waste my time putting much information out there to you and the group that hate Trump so badly! You guys are a bunch of sore God damn losers. It's sad and disgusting!

Simmer down... It's the way these liberals are. It's like arguing with flat earthers. They don't ever stop until you do. Just have to wait until things happen or blow up in their faces.

It is starting to blow up in their faces! But they can't see it. And you ever notice that the closer we get the things being finalized and Truth being there that they want to ban somebody because they can't afford to continue the conversation.

As long as we maintain civilized, they won't ban us. However, you know, this site ain't no democracy. But, at least its better moderated than Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, who like to suppress conservative views but let libtard views run rampant.

The first time I got banned on this site by Bill, I got banned because the post of another person! Their post was in my reply using the quote button. But he banned me for what somebody else said.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,998]

>Maybe start a moderated thread and I'll put my thoughts in there?

OK. (You can also post in suggestions and feedback.)

[yoink 321]

rushmc

Now you claim the title of behavior police! I guess I'm not surprised.

Keep wriggling.

[Phil1111 1,149]

DJL

************And now all here can understand why I rarely waste my time putting much information out there to you and the group that hate Trump so badly! You guys are a bunch of sore God damn losers. It's sad and disgusting!

Simmer down... It's the way these liberals are. It's like arguing with flat earthers. They don't ever stop until you do. Just have to wait until things happen or blow up in their faces.

It is starting to blow up in their faces! But they can't see it. And you ever notice that the closer we get the things being finalized and Truth being there that they want to ban somebody because they can't afford to continue the conversation.

As long as we maintain civilized, they won't ban us. However, you know, this site ain't no democracy. But, at least its better moderated than Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, who like to suppress conservative views but let libtard views run rampant.


Stop the drama. Nobody is banning you two.

Oh let them be!. Its all part of the pseudo-christian, Battle of Thermopylae, Valley of Death, Alamo, etc. mentality whereby the last true conservatives are holding backs the hoards of west coast liberals.

[kallend 2,027]

“Our nation is indeed at a crossroads. Will we pursue the search for truth or will we dodge, weave and evade the truth? I am of course referring to the investigation into serious allegations of illegal conduct by the president of the United States — that the president has engaged in a persistent pattern and practice of obstruction of justice. The allegations are grave, the investigation is legitimate and ascertaining the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the unqualified, unevasive truth is absolutely critical.” Sen. Mitch McConnell, R, KY., on the Senate floor.

“I submit to my colleagues that if we have no truth and we have no justice, then we have no nation of laws. No public official, no president, no man or no woman is important enough to sacrifice the founding principles of our legal system.” Sen. Mitch McConnell, R, KY., on the Senate floor.

Of course, they were in 1998 and 1999 respectively.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,998]

The more you look, the more corruption (and the more links to Russia) you find . . ..

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Firm Tied to Russian Oligarch Made Payments to Michael Cohen

Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s lawyer and fixer. His shell company received payments from a firm linked to a Russian oligarch, as well as corporations with business before the Trump administration.

May 8, 2018
By Mike McIntire, Ben Protess and Jim Rutenberg
NYT

A shell company that Michael D. Cohen used to pay hush money to a pornographic film actress received payments totaling more than $1 million from an American company linked to a Russian oligarch and several corporations with business before the Trump administration, according to documents and interviews.

Financial records reviewed by The New York Times show that Mr. Cohen, President Trump’s personal lawyer and longtime fixer, used the shell company, Essential Consultants L.L.C., for an array of business activities that went far beyond what was publicly known. Transactions adding up to at least $4.4 million flowed through Essential Consultants starting shortly before Mr. Trump was elected president and continuing to this January, the records show.
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[jakee 1,500]

Quote

Financial records reviewed by The New York Times show that Mr. Cohen, President Trump’s personal lawyer and longtime fixer, used the shell company, Essential Consultants L.L.C., for an array of business activities that went far beyond what was publicly known.

So he kept all his old phones (presumably with all his old contacts), and tied together a bunch of his seperate shady deals by using the same shell company to process all of them? Does he even get what a shell company is for?

I don't know whether it's more offensive that so many of Trump's advisors and appointees are corrupt, or that they're not even competent at being corrupt. Only the best...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,027]

jakee

Quote

Financial records reviewed by The New York Times show that Mr. Cohen, President Trump’s personal lawyer and longtime fixer, used the shell company, Essential Consultants L.L.C., for an array of business activities that went far beyond what was publicly known.

So he kept all his old phones (presumably with all his old contacts), and tied together a bunch of his seperate shady deals by using the same shell company to process all of them? Does he even get what a shell company is for?

I don't know whether it's more offensive that so many of Trump's advisors and appointees are corrupt, or that they're not even competent at being corrupt. Only the best...

I think it more offensive that he has so many supporters who just don't care.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

The more you look, the more corruption (and the more links to Russia) you find . . ..

========================
Firm Tied to Russian Oligarch Made Payments to Michael Cohen

Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s lawyer and fixer. His shell company received payments from a firm linked to a Russian oligarch, as well as corporations with business before the Trump administration.

May 8, 2018
By Mike McIntire, Ben Protess and Jim Rutenberg
NYT

A shell company that Michael D. Cohen used to pay hush money to a pornographic film actress received payments totaling more than $1 million from an American company linked to a Russian oligarch and several corporations with business before the Trump administration, according to documents and interviews.

Financial records reviewed by The New York Times show that Mr. Cohen, President Trump’s personal lawyer and longtime fixer, used the shell company, Essential Consultants L.L.C., for an array of business activities that went far beyond what was publicly known. Transactions adding up to at least $4.4 million flowed through Essential Consultants starting shortly before Mr. Trump was elected president and continuing to this January, the records show.
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I have to say I'm glad no, surprised, you haven't deleted this yet. So glad you posted it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JoeWeber 2,727]

kallend

***

Quote

Financial records reviewed by The New York Times show that Mr. Cohen, President Trump’s personal lawyer and longtime fixer, used the shell company, Essential Consultants L.L.C., for an array of business activities that went far beyond what was publicly known.

So he kept all his old phones (presumably with all his old contacts), and tied together a bunch of his seperate shady deals by using the same shell company to process all of them? Does he even get what a shell company is for?

I don't know whether it's more offensive that so many of Trump's advisors and appointees are corrupt, or that they're not even competent at being corrupt. Only the best...

I think it more offensive that he has so many supporters who just don't care.


Bingo. Separately, I think Yoink is right about banning some folks from this forum. They sing the same song over and over and only screw up the conversation.