Russiagate

[mistercwood 287]

rushmc

NOTE: multiple agency's stated that Russian medaling did not affect the outcome of the election.

No one sane thinks that it did. The outcome isn't the point. The fact that another superpower actively tried to interfere at all is the point.

How can you not see what a huge concern that is?

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

[billvon 3,063]

Russia drew up plans to sway the US election five months before the election itself.
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Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - documents

By Ned Parker, Jonathan Landay and John Walcott | WASHINGTON
Reuters World News | Wed Apr 19, 2017 | 4:18pm EDT

A Russian government think tank controlled by Vladimir Putin developed a plan to swing the 2016 U.S. presidential election to Donald Trump and undermine voters’ faith in the American electoral system, three current and four former U.S. officials told Reuters.

They described two confidential documents from the think tank as providing the framework and rationale for what U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded was an intensive effort by Russia to interfere with the Nov. 8 election. U.S. intelligence officials acquired the documents, which were prepared by the Moscow-based Russian Institute for Strategic Studies [en.riss.ru/], after the election.

The institute is run by retired senior Russian foreign intelligence officials appointed by Putin’s office.

The first Russian institute document was a strategy paper written last June that circulated at the highest levels of the Russian government but was not addressed to any specific individuals.

It recommended the Kremlin launch a propaganda campaign on social media and Russian state-backed global news outlets to encourage U.S. voters to elect a president who would take a softer line toward Russia than the administration of then-President Barack Obama, the seven officials said. . . .

Russia Today and Sputnik published anti-Clinton stories while pro-Kremlin bloggers prepared a Twitter campaign calling into question the fairness of an anticipated Clinton victory, according to a report by U.S. intelligence agencies on Russian interference in the election made public in January.

Russia Today’s most popular Clinton video - “How 100% of the 2015 Clintons’ ‘charity’ went to ... themselves” - accumulated 9 millions views on social media, according to the January report.

The report said Russia Today and Sputnik “consistently cast president elect-Trump as the target of unfair coverage from traditional media outlets."

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"Russia Today and Sputnik published anti-Clinton stories while pro-Kremlin bloggers prepared a Twitter campaign calling into question the fairness of an anticipated Clinton victory"

I have yet to see anything more than a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

[Phil1111 1,149]

mistercwood

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NOTE: multiple agency's stated that Russian medaling did not affect the outcome of the election.

No one sane thinks that it did. The outcome isn't the point. The fact that another superpower actively tried to interfere at all is the point.

How can you not see what a huge concern that is?

What they said was there was no evidence that the physical voting process. i.e. voting machines and counting was not manipulated. The psychological manipulations of news and information was not under consideration by any US agencies. As it would be very difficult to quantify.

[rushmc 23]

mistercwood

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NOTE: multiple agency's stated that Russian medaling did not affect the outcome of the election.

No one sane thinks that it did. The outcome isn't the point. The fact that another superpower actively tried to interfere at all is the point.

How can you not see what a huge concern that is?

Sure, but the crap is trying to link it to Trumps win!


Do you care that we (the US) had people on the ground and spent money in Israel trying to oust Netanyahu?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DJL 235]

rushmc

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NOTE: multiple agency's stated that Russian medaling did not affect the outcome of the election.

No one sane thinks that it did. The outcome isn't the point. The fact that another superpower actively tried to interfere at all is the point.

How can you not see what a huge concern that is?

Sure, but the crap is trying to link it to Trumps win!


Do you care that we (the US) had people on the ground and spent money in Israel trying to oust Netanyahu?

Hey look, RuskieMC is back. Good job defending mother Russia, Comrade.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[brenthutch 444]

OMG you were right! Trump and Tillerson just approved a sweetheart deal for ExxonMobil and Russia, exempting Big oil from sanctions.

[normiss 844]

Deny, ignore, deflect, Obama!

Yates testimony should be interesting. Coming soon!

[normiss 844]

Kushner's felonious lie

[billvon 3,063]

From the form where Kushner "forgot" to mention that he met with the Russian ambassador:

“The U.S. Criminal Code (title 18, section 1001) provides that knowingly falsifying or concealing a material fact is a felony which may result in fines and/or up to five (5) years imprisonment."

[billvon 3,063]

It doesn't look good for Flynn - or the White House. We'll see if the White House continues with the obstruction and coverup of their Russian involvement, or if they come clean.
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Pentagon warned Flynn in 2014 against taking foreign payments; IG launches investigation

By Manu Raju, Jim Sciutto and Tom LoBianco
Updated 10:42 AM ET, Thu April 27, 2017

(CNN) - Former national security adviser Michael Flynn was warned by the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014 against accepting foreign payments as he entered retirement, according to new documents obtained by the House oversight committee.
The inspector general of the Department of Defense also opened an investigation of Flynn earlier this month, according to an April 11 letter released by the oversight committee Thursday.

"These documents raise grave questions about why General Flynn concealed the payments he received from foreign sources after he was warned explicitly by the Pentagon," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House oversight committee, in a statement. "Our next step is to get the documents we are seeking from the White House so we can complete our investigation. I thank the Department of Defense for providing us with unclassified versions of these documents."
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[normiss 844]

Well as Flynn himself said:
"That's right lock her HIM up!"

[Phil1111 1,149]

billvon

It doesn't look good for Flynn - or the White House. We'll see if the White House continues with the obstruction and coverup of their Russian involvement, or if they come clean.
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Pentagon warned Flynn in 2014 against taking foreign payments; IG launches investigation

By Manu Raju, Jim Sciutto and Tom LoBianco
Updated 10:42 AM ET, Thu April 27, 2017

(CNN) - Former national security adviser Michael Flynn was warned by the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014 against accepting foreign payments as he entered retirement, according to new documents obtained by the House oversight committee.
The inspector general of the Department of Defense also opened an investigation of Flynn earlier this month, according to an April 11 letter released by the oversight committee Thursday.

"These documents raise grave questions about why General Flynn concealed the payments he received from foreign sources after he was warned explicitly by the Pentagon," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House oversight committee, in a statement. "Our next step is to get the documents we are seeking from the White House so we can complete our investigation. I thank the Department of Defense for providing us with unclassified versions of these documents."
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Do you mean on the same day the trump administration rolls out an EO to protect whistle-blowers within the VA.

The same administration that has now refused to allow access to the visitor logs for the WH?

Thats a rhetorical question of course.

[normiss 844]

Same admin refusing to provide any evidence on Flynn?

[billvon 3,063]

>Same admin refusing to provide any evidence on Flynn?

We've reached step 4 of the Trump playbook:

Step 1: Claim it's the best; the greatest. Ignore any downside.
Step 2: Deny there's a problem
Step 3: Obstruct, ignore and impede; hope the problem goes away.
Step 4: Blame Obama. From today:

Reporter: Are you satisfied with the vetting that was done of General Flynn by the transition team before he came on board as the national security advisor?

Spicer: So, that’s a great question and I appreciate you bringing it up…. General Flynn was a career military officer who maintained a high level clearance throughout his career in the military. His clearance was last reissued by the Obama administration in 2016 with full knowledge of his activities that occurred in 2015, as you point out. So, the issue is he was issued a security clearance under the Obama administration in the spring of 2016 … all of that clearance was made by the Obama administration.

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billvon

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We've reached step 4 of the Trump playbook:

Step 1: Claim it's the best; the greatest. Ignore any downside.
Step 2: Deny there's a problem
Step 3: Obstruct, ignore and impede; hope the problem goes away.
Step 4: Blame Obama. From today:

loser move - recent history shows that the first 3 steps are pointless. Go straight to blaming the previous guy and save time effort and money.

for the children

...
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

rehmwa

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We've reached step 4 of the Trump playbook:

Step 1: Claim it's the best; the greatest. Ignore any downside.
Step 2: Deny there's a problem
Step 3: Obstruct, ignore and impede; hope the problem goes away.
Step 4: Blame Obama. From today:

loser move - recent history shows that the first 3 steps are pointless. Go straight to blaming the previous guy and save time effort and money.

for the children

Psssst
He is projecting, as that is straight out of the Dem playbook.

Only the names have been changed to twist and mislead

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

rushmc

Psssst
He is projecting, as that is straight out of the Dem playbook.

Only the names have been changed to twist and mislead

then I must be too, because I'm going back more than just one administration (and approx ~ 2 parties) in that comment

(BV's been pretty good lately about noting the sins that both sides do, you jump to the normal Speaker Corner's normal antagonism a bit too quick here methinks - but I know that's the enjoyment for many here, so what can I say)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/sen-feinstein-no-evidence-trump-russia-collusion-election

Funny shit

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Despite the constant accusations from Democrats to the contrary, there is no evidence that anyone in the Trump campaign colluded with Russian officials during the election.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein confirmed this fact with Wolf Blitzer at CNN on Wednesday. He asked about Feinstein and other senators being briefed on the Senate Intelligence Committee’s investigation into this matter at the CIA headquarters.

“You don’t have to provide us with any classified information, Senator,” Blitzer began. “But do you believe — do you have evidence that there was in fact collusion between Trump associates and Russia during the campaign?”

“Not at this time,” Feinstein relented.

Blitzer noted her “pretty precise answer.”

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,063]

Looks like Trump was warned about Flynn after all. From CNN:

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President Barack Obama warned then-President-elect Donald Trump in November against hiring retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn as his national security adviser, former Obama administration officials confirmed to CNN.

Obama warned Trump about Flynn during their Oval Office meeting on November 10, days after Trump was elected president.

Trump did not heed Obama's counsel on Flynn, bringing aboard the former military intelligence officer who supported Trump during his campaign as his national security adviser. Trump fired Flynn 24 days later when news broke of Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak.
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So why did Trump claim he had no warnings about Flynn? Why that particular lie?

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billvon

Looks like Trump was warned about Flynn after all. From CNN:

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President Barack Obama warned then-President-elect Donald Trump in November against hiring retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn as his national security adviser, former Obama administration officials confirmed to CNN.

Obama warned Trump about Flynn during their Oval Office meeting on November 10, days after Trump was elected president.

Trump did not heed Obama's counsel on Flynn, bringing aboard the former military intelligence officer who supported Trump during his campaign as his national security adviser. Trump fired Flynn 24 days later when news broke of Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak.
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So why did Trump claim he had no warnings about Flynn? Why that particular lie?

That is a big jump there Bill.

Of course you believe all on CNN is true if it is negative about Trump.

Me? I will wait and see.

No, please go back to your shark jumping.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,063]

>That is a big jump there Bill.

And which "jump" was that?

>Of course you believe all on CNN is true if it is negative about Trump.

And confirmed by NBC, the NYT and FOX News. And Sean Spicer.

Or are you so far right that you now think FOX News (or Spicer) is part of the evil lying liberal media?

[normiss 844]

#TrumpKnew

[billvon 3,063]

During her testimony, Yates mentioned that logic would tell you that you don’t want to be in a position where Russians have leverage over the National Security Advisor. Perhaps that was her biggest mistake - assuming logic had anything to do with Trump's decisions.

[normiss 844]

Yates says the more the "explanation" Flynn gave was increasing series of lies that would create "even more compromise."
Wow.

Sally Yates Testifies That The Russians Have Their Own Transcripts And Can Blackmail Trump


I'm starting to wonder how much worse this actually is than some thought.
Nixon is starting to look damn near saintly.