Russiagate

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rushmc

******By the way if you think I believe for one second you're Republican or conservative I have oceanfront property in Arizona I will offer to you at a great price.

You are so far right that David Duke looks like a Democrat.

Coming from you I view that as a compliment.


Thank you!

Holy shit.

You just said that you see someone saying David Duke, a white supremacist, white nationalist politician, white separatist, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Holocaust denier, convicted felon, and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan as further left than you is a compliment.

HOLY. SHIT.

[billvon 3,063]

Your one warning. Cut it out.

[LeeroyJenkins 3]

rushmc

By the way if you think I believe for one second you're Republican or conservative I have oceanfront property in Arizona I will offer to you at a great price.

The far right isn't the only type conservative. They barely even count as conservative. You should read the book "Getting America Right" It's written by the leader of the Heritage Foundation. https://www.conservativebookclub.com/book/getting-america-right-true-conservative-values-nation-needs-today
I think you forgot what being a conservative means.

I'm what a republican looks like when they aren't racist, sexist, or homophobic. I understands macroeconomics, free trade, and immigration. I'm scientifically literate and educated. I'm a McCain republican not a Trumpist. Us moderates may not have a voice currently but we still exist. Most importantly I'm actually fiscally conservative.

[LeeroyJenkins 3]

billvon

Your one warning. Cut it out.

I mean thats pretty fair. Rush just said he is proud of being worse than the human scum David Duke.

[billvon 3,063]

>I mean thats pretty fair. Rush just said he is proud of being worse than the human
>scum David Duke.

He can describe himself however he likes. Doesn't change the rules here.

[LeeroyJenkins 3]

billvon

>I mean thats pretty fair. Rush just said he is proud of being worse than the human
>scum David Duke.

He can describe himself however he likes. Doesn't change the rules here.

So we can address him the way he describes himself.

[billvon 3,063]

>So we can address him the way he describes himself.

No, you can't.

If Jane one day posts "oh, sorry! That was a stupid thing to say. I guess I just get bitching about X and make mistakes" it is not license to call her a stupid bitch. Even if she called herself that. Even if you think she really is a stupid bitch.

Period.

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billvon

Your one warning. Cut it out.

Are you serious, Bill??!

You’ll defend this guy’s right to deliberately troll this place, but when he says something that is abhorrent and is proud of it, then gets called on it, you take HIS side??

Politics is one thing, but I won’t sit quietly and tolerate people lauding racist scum. You shouldn’t either. No one should.

[LeeroyJenkins 3]

billvon

>So we can address him the way he describes himself.

No, you can't.

If Jane one day posts "oh, sorry! That was a stupid thing to say. I guess I just get bitching about X and make mistakes" it is not license to call her a stupid bitch. Even if she called herself that. Even if you think she really is a stupid bitch.

Period.

That is a terrible analogy.

So Rush gets to say he's a racist, anti-semite and we aren't allowed to address that? We aren't even allowed to comment on how insane it is to be proud of that?

Ruels:

Post to the correct forum and stay on topic. ... huh

Personal attacks and hate posts will not be tolerated in any forum... huh

as is posting inflammatory material specifically to provoke a negative response from someone (aka trolling)... huh

Posts that contain material that we deem to be blatantly or unnecessarily racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted, pornographic, or otherwise offensive, may be removed... weird

"Drifting" threads are subject to locking or deleting. Replies to topics started by another user should remain within the context of the initial post...

[gowlerk 2,246]

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You’ll defend this guy’s right to deliberately to deliberately troll this place, but when he says something that is abhorrent and is proud of it, then gets called on it, you take HIS side??

I don't see Bill taking sides. I see him enforcing a rule against PAs. You could easily point out Marc's flaw without calling him any names. Hell, it is obvious without even mentioning it. If you allow yourself to be dragged into a round of name calling no one will benefit. It was enough that you goaded him into showing his true colours. Please don't allow him to egg you on.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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Fair enough.


I've edited the original post to comply more directly with the rules here.

However, personally and not aimed at any one particular poster, I think that anyone (hypothetically) taking the proud position that David Duke is more left wing then them is probably unbelievably racist and is not in full command of their faculties. If Bill said that then I'd think the same of him, for example.


However, the rules need changing IMO. Support (even indirect) of that type of position can be seen as tacit approval of it. The first amendment doesn't apply here. Somethings are beyond the pale and should always have a light shone on them.

[LeeroyJenkins 3]

yoink

Fair enough.


I've edited the original post to comply more directly with the rules here.


However, the rules need changing, IMO.

Ha, bill removed my comment showing his hypocrisy when it comes to the rules and this thread.


Let's keep personal attacks to 0 and lets keep the on topic posts to 100%. I think we will all be happy with that. Here is a hint, Rush distracting and trying to derail this thread by talking about Clinton.... its against the rules.

[normiss 845]

That type of controversial and ignorant hypocrisy is the biggest reason why this forum is going to sleep.
It's simply not worth the idiotic waste of reciprocity.
It's just a cyclical waste of effort.

It's laughable to peek in here on occasion and realize how much time I wasted trying to just have a topical or timely conversation.

Yet it hasn't changed. The few drains of intelligence and conversation still have the protective bait of trollish behavior.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

yoink

Fair enough.


I've edited the original post to comply more directly with the rules here.

However, personally and not aimed at any one particular poster, I think that anyone (hypothetically) taking the proud position that David Duke is more left wing then them is probably unbelievably racist and is not in full command of their faculties. If Bill said that then I'd think the same of him, for example.


However, the rules need changing IMO. Support (even indirect) of that type of position can be seen as tacit approval of it. The first amendment doesn't apply here. Somethings are beyond the pale and should always have a light shone on them.

I could not agree more. Bill, directness is a form of free speech. You need to relax control by a lot.

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JoeWeber

***Fair enough.


I've edited the original post to comply more directly with the rules here.

However, personally and not aimed at any one particular poster, I think that anyone (hypothetically) taking the proud position that David Duke is more left wing then them is probably unbelievably racist and is not in full command of their faculties. If Bill said that then I'd think the same of him, for example.


However, the rules need changing IMO. Support (even indirect) of that type of position can be seen as tacit approval of it. The first amendment doesn't apply here. Somethings are beyond the pale and should always have a light shone on them.

I could not agree more. Bill, directness is a form of free speech. You need to relax control by a lot.


Private site isn’t covered by free speech. Yense why bill can keep deleting my posts for calling out his hypocrisy.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

LeeroyJenkins

******Fair enough.


I've edited the original post to comply more directly with the rules here.

However, personally and not aimed at any one particular poster, I think that anyone (hypothetically) taking the proud position that David Duke is more left wing then them is probably unbelievably racist and is not in full command of their faculties. If Bill said that then I'd think the same of him, for example.


However, the rules need changing IMO. Support (even indirect) of that type of position can be seen as tacit approval of it. The first amendment doesn't apply here. Somethings are beyond the pale and should always have a light shone on them.

I could not agree more. Bill, directness is a form of free speech. You need to relax control by a lot.


Private site isn’t covered by free speech. Yense why bill can keep deleting my posts for calling out his hypocrisy.

Leeroy,

Bill is a damn smart guy and, I hope, still a friend. He's banned me deservedly and warned me often. He fly's a hard slot, that's sure. I do not agree with how he moderates when it gets close to the bone. Yes, he has vested interests here but he is not a hypocrite.

Joe

[jakee 1,558]

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Yeah facts just like the one CNN sticking to over the weekend

Which of the statements do you disagree with and why?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Phil1111 1,149]

I agree Marc provides useful insight into the thinking of trump supporters. Too bad Ron isn't posting his views as frequently.

IMO trump cultists view republicans and democrats. As socialist hordes, Blacks, brown and yellow people. On the east and west coasts of America. Closing in on the last bastions of white Christian values. Which by definition are the only true American ones.

Lies, facts, the mistakes and faults of trump. Are but background static. Like F. W. de Klerk, the last white leader of South Africa. trump stands up to a demographic which assaults their values.

trump's values are not values to make America great. Instead they serve to build fences, walls and barriers. To protect his base. Its a bare knuckle fight, take no prisoners and the winner takes all. Lies, manipulation of the law and courts. Is nothing less than a eye gouge in a street fight. Entirely fair as long as the opponent is put out of action.

[jakee 1,558]

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I agree Marc provides useful insight into the thinking of trump supporters. Too bad Ron isn't posting his views as frequently.

IMO trump cultists view republicans and democrats. As socialist hordes, Blacks, brown and yellow people. On the east and west coasts of America. Closing in on the last bastions of white Christian values. Which by definition are the only true American ones.

It's interesting - Marc has always been rabidly anti-democrat and anti-leftist, perfectly willing to tie his principles in knots and deal in rank hypocrisy in order to criticize whatever the dems were doing at the time. But that didn't mean he always ran in lockstep with the Republicans. He criticized Bush sometimes, he went against the party line when he disagreed with it.

With Trump, he's gone full kool-aid. He willingly swallows every bit of propaganda the Trump government puts out. There is nothing at all that can't be ether defended or explained away as a deep state conspiracy or fake news. That is the cult that Trump has created. It's sad that Marc probably still sees himself as an independent thinking, anti-government watchdog when in fact he's morphed into an unquestioning stooge for an authoritarian administration.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[LeeroyJenkins 3]

Unicorn...

This is a test..

[billvon 3,063]

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I think that anyone (hypothetically) taking the proud position that David Duke is more left wing then them is probably unbelievably racist and is not in full command of their faculties.

Or they simply think "left" = "bad" and they figure they are not as bad as David Duke. It would not surprise me to hear, for example, that some of the right wing posters here consider David Duke to be a liberal progressive, because they are bad too.

Is that wrong? Of course it is. But you cannot 'fix' people's misconceptions when those misconceptions are what they use to justify their entire worldview.

[LeeroyJenkins 3]

billvon

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I think that anyone (hypothetically) taking the proud position that David Duke is more left wing then them is probably unbelievably racist and is not in full command of their faculties.

Or they simply think "left" = "bad" and they figure they are not as bad as David Duke. It would not surprise me to hear, for example, that some of the right wing posters here consider David Duke to be a liberal progressive, because they are bad too.

Is that wrong? Of course it is. But you cannot 'fix' people's misconceptions when those misconceptions are what they use to justify their entire worldview.

You can sure try, might take a life crisis, but it is possible.

[GeorgiaDon 379]

kallend

Astrophysicists are searching for evidence of the multiverse hypothesis.

They need look no further than your posts.

At first I thought that would be impossible because you would not be able to transfer information between multiverses. Then I realized that wouldn't be an issue, given the information content of the posts in question.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[billvon 3,063]

It seems like only yesterday that the Russiagate investigation began, and Trump supporters here cried "witch hunt! it will be over soon! it's falling apart! there's nothing there! absolutely nothing is going to become of the Mueller investigation!"

Well, it seemed like yesterday, but it's actually been over 18 months. And in that time, we've had:

31 people indicted - Cohen, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Gates, Zwann, Flynn, Pinedo, Netyksho, Antonov, Badin, Yermakov, Lukashev, Morgachev, Kozachek, Yershov, Malyshev, Osadchuk, Potemkin, Kovalev, Prigozhin, Bystrov, Burchik, Krylova, Bogacheva, Polozov, Bovda, Ogly, Podkopaev, Vasilchenko, Kaverzina and Venkov.

5 guilty pleas - from Cohen, Papadopoulos, Gates, Zwann and Flynn - many over lying to the FBI about Russian interference.

1 guilty verdict - Manafort, guilty on 8 counts of fraud. And his next trial is coming up.

4 new criminal investigations into the Trump organization by the New York Attorney General, The New York State Department of Taxation and Finance, the Manhattan District Attorney and the Southern District of New York.

1 naming of Trump as an "unindicted co-conspirator" on a campaign finance felony.

8 guilty pleas from Trump's own lawyer for his crimes ranging from campaign finance felonies to tax fraud to bank fraud.

14 people leaving his administration in disgrace or under dark clouds, many related to the Mueller investigation.

I can't wait until the next cries of "it's all over! nothing will come of it!" I keep picturing the Iraqi Minister of Information telling the world everything is fine as the tanks rolled into his city in the background. "Nothing is going to come of this invasion, believe me! It's already over! Nothing happened!"

[kallend 2,106]

billvon

It seems like only yesterday that the Russiagate investigation began, and Trump supporters here cried "witch hunt! it will be over soon! it's falling apart! there's nothing there! absolutely nothing is going to become of the Mueller investigation!"

Well, it seemed like yesterday, but it's actually been over 18 months. And in that time, we've had:

31 people indicted - Cohen, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Gates, Zwann, Flynn, Pinedo, Netyksho, Antonov, Badin, Yermakov, Lukashev, Morgachev, Kozachek, Yershov, Malyshev, Osadchuk, Potemkin, Kovalev, Prigozhin, Bystrov, Burchik, Krylova, Bogacheva, Polozov, Bovda, Ogly, Podkopaev, Vasilchenko, Kaverzina and Venkov.

5 guilty pleas - from Cohen, Papadopoulos, Gates, Zwann and Flynn - many over lying to the FBI about Russian interference.

1 guilty verdict - Manafort, guilty on 8 counts of fraud. And his next trial is coming up.

4 new criminal investigations into the Trump organization by the New York Attorney General, The New York State Department of Taxation and Finance, the Manhattan District Attorney and the Southern District of New York.

1 naming of Trump as an "unindicted co-conspirator" on a campaign finance felony.

8 guilty pleas from Trump's own lawyer for his crimes ranging from campaign finance felonies to tax fraud to bank fraud.

14 people leaving his administration in disgrace or under dark clouds, many related to the Mueller investigation.

I can't wait until the next cries of "it's all over! nothing will come of it!" I keep picturing the Iraqi Minister of Information telling the world everything is fine as the tanks rolled into his city in the background. "Nothing is going to come of this invasion, believe me! It's already over! Nothing happened!"

Yes, but Benghazi! Emails!

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