Russiagate

[normiss 801]

Speaking of the media, I found this graph rather interesting.

Media bias chart

[SkyDekker 1,465]

I personally think Nunes is implicated in this and is mostly fighting for himself.

[billvon 2,998]

That can't be right! All of RushMC's "unbiased" sources are listed as "nonsense damaging to public discourse" and "hyper-partisan conservative!" And all the lean-conservative (but still reputable) media sources are critical of Trump!

Either there's a vast left wing conspiracy to lie about everything (including that chart) - or Trumpies aren't as centrist as they think they are. I wonder which one is true?

[DJL 235]

billvon

That can't be right! All of RushMC's "unbiased" sources are listed as "nonsense damaging to public discourse" and "hyper-partisan conservative!" And all the lean-conservative (but still reputable) media sources are critical of Trump!

Either there's a vast left wing conspiracy to lie about everything (including that chart) - or Trumpies aren't as centrist as they think they are. I wonder which one is true?

He's not the only one. I have a friend who even things that National Review is RINO and leaning towards the Left. He believes the FBI is controlled by Deep State Operatives.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[billvon 2,998]

This should be fun. From RT:

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Russiagate escalates: As Republicans vote to release the memo, Democrats bring up ‘2nd dossier’

Published time: 30 Jan, 2018 19:39
Edited time: 31 Jan, 2018 10:38

After Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee voted to publish a memo reportedly revealing FBI abuses of spying powers based on the controversial “Steele dossier,” a report has emerged of a second dossier’s existence. . . .

On Tuesday, the Guardian published an exclusive report claiming that the FBI is in possession of a second dossier that it says corroborates Steele’s claims. Citing anonymous sources, the UK-based paper reported that the dossier was handed over to the FBI in October 2016 by Steele, who reportedly received it from “an American contact,” following the bureau’s request for corroborating information.
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

That information has been out for a while. Author is a journalist with Clinton ties, so will be heavily discredited.

It does supposedly have very similar allegations, including kompromat of a sexual nature. It was handed over when the FBI asked Steele for any information that could help them in their investigation.

[jakee 1,499]

SkyDekker

If the GOP knew or heavily suspected the DOJ and FBI were using the FISA process for DNC political gain, why did they first vote to continue FISA prior to making an issue out of this memo?

Do you really think the motive here is the FBI doing something wrong?

What I don’t understand about the whole thing is that the FISA court is quite literally a rubber stamp institution. The NSA doesn’t need to tell the Judge who they want to listen to, let alone why. For the FBI it may be different but still, since 1978 and 34,000 warrants later only 12 have ever been denied, and most of those subsequently approved in revised form. It makes the proverbial prosecutor/grand jury/ ham sandwich anecdote look like a titanic struggle in comparison.

So why on earth would the FBI need to lie to a judge and abuse the system to get the surveillance up? They’ll give the go ahead for whatever the hell you ask for anyway!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

My understanding is that the requests to monitor an American citizen are significantly more stringent. And supposedly this memo is regarding the renewal of the FISA warrant on Carter Page a known Russian spy and Trump campaign member.

[jakee 1,499]

SkyDekker

My understanding is that the requests to monitor an American citizen are significantly more stringent. And supposedly this memo is regarding the renewal of the FISA warrant on Carter Page a known Russian spy and Trump campaign member.

Sure. And the thing is, even if Nunes' memo is entirely correct and the FBI did abuse the law and mislead the court in gaining the warrants, is there any evidence that it was politically biased, or just something that regularly happens? Did they go in with a significantly lower standard of evidence than usual? Nobody knows, it's a secret court. Have they justified other warrant requests with similar third party dossiers? Nobody knows, it's a secret court. Have they received warrants to spy on Democrats using intelligence supplied by Republican affiliated or funded organisations? Nobody knows, it's a secret court.

The fact that (if there was something wrong with the warrant request) it is being treated as a partisan problem is mind boggling. It's just a natural consequence of secret legal systems with secret oversight inevitably creating a broken system. Have none of these people read Kafka?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,027]

rushmc

And still no evidence of Russian collusion.....

It's so impressive that Mueller has taken Marc Rush into his confidence, to the point of sharing confidential and protected information with him.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

There's a chance that this memo and investigation will show that the evidence used to gain the fisa warrants that eventually led to the appointment of Mueller, will be shown to be a bunch of bullshit. Should that happen, then there's a chance that a federal judge can rule that the investigation is based on a false premise close it down and then clear anybody that has been gathered up in the net of this bullshit. I'm not going to go as far as predicting it. But I will not be surprised if it happens

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

There's a chance that this memo and investigation will show that the evidence used to gain the fisa warrants that eventually led to the appointment of Mueller, will be shown to be a bunch of bullshit. Should that happen, then there's a chance that a federal judge can rule that the investigation is based on a false premise close it down and then clear anybody that has been gathered up in the net of this bullshit. I'm not going to go as far as predicting it. But I will not be surprised if it happens

Which is great if you have already decided that nothing criminal or untoward has happened. Generally people let an investigation finish prior to making those decisions. Though in same cases even after multiple investigations finding nothing wrong, people won't believe it.

What boggles my mind is that Republicans wanted investigation after investigation, after investigation into Hillary Clinton. Even though they kept coming back empty. And, still are convinced she is a criminal.

Then, with Trump, they don't even want to investigate. Because, in all their wisdom they have already decided he can't be guilty of anything.

All while maintaining they are the ones who just want fairness, while impugning 35,000 FBI agents. Dangerous grounds.

[rushmc 23]

Just a few points here. The special counsel was appointed against law. The law reads that the special counsel is only to be appointed if there is a known crime. There is no known crime.

The situation we are in now was drummed up by a bought paid for opposition research paper that was sold to some people as an intelligence document. We know that that document is a lie. That document was used to influence people to appoint a special counsel. That document it now appears was also used to convince a judge to allow a fisa warrant. Since this document is in known to be a lie and was sold as something that it was not we have so many laws broken here it is hard to know where to start.

If it is proven that this investigation was based on a lie than a federal judge has the power to end the investigation as well as dismiss any and all charges that Muller and his team have brought. Which by the way, again, have nothing to do with collusion. Theseare simply process crimes either by bad memory or somebody just trying to keep something else hidden have been caught in. They have nothing to do with any kind of so-called collusion.

You can keep spewing the talking points that this is attacking the rank-and-file of the FBI if you want to. But that is a bunch of bullshit. This is about the few bad actors who chose to ignore evidence of Crimes by Clinton and her campaign and others while at the same time trying to discredit and kill the Trump campaign. You talk about dangerous? This is dangerous!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[yoink 321]

OK - let's start with the foundations.

You keep saying 'that document is a lie'.

Let's not have any misunderstanding - what document are you referring to and what sources are you using to make the decision that it's a lie?

Please provide links to sources.

[rushmc 23]

yoink

OK - let's start with the foundations.

You keep saying 'that document is a lie'.

Let's not have any misunderstanding - what document are you referring to and what sources are you using to make the decision that it's a lie?

Please provide links to sources.

The Fusion GPS dossier. Do your own damn research

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[yoink 321]

rushmc

***OK - let's start with the foundations.

You keep saying 'that document is a lie'.

Let's not have any misunderstanding - what document are you referring to and what sources are you using to make the decision that it's a lie?

Please provide links to sources.

The Fusion GPS dossier. Do your own damn research

That's not the damn way discussion damn well works. I'll go back to damn well ignoring you. Damn you.

[billvon 2,998]

>If it is proven that this investigation was based on a lie than a federal judge has the
>power to end the investigation. . . .

Funny. After the Clinton Benghazi investigation was proven to be based on a lie, you were singing a very different tune. It's almost as if truth is irrelevant to you - all that matters is that your guy wins.

You'd do very well in the Trump administration; your talents are wasted in the real world.

[tonyhays 86]

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The Fusion GPS dossier.

That was only one piece of evidence that started the investigation, despite republican wet dreams to the contrary. Allow me to illuminate...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/romantic-encounter-set-off-australias-role-in-triggering-donald-trump-investigation-20180105-h0e34r.html

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Do your own damn research

Indeed.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[jakee 1,499]

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Just a few points here. The special counsel was appointed against law. The law reads that the special counsel is only to be appointed if there is a known crime.

Just stop and think to yourself for a moment how ridiculously stupid that statement is. You can only investigate something you already know has happened...

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Since this document is in known to be a lie and was sold as something that it was not we have so many laws broken here it is hard to know where to start.

It's not so hard, Rush, just pick one. Pick one specific law that has definitely been broken...

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Theseare simply process crimes either by bad memory or somebody just trying to keep something else hidden have been caught in. They have nothing to do with any kind of so-called collusion.

What was Flynn trying to keep hidden that he had been caught doing with the Russian ambassador?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

Thank you, a most helpful chart.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>If it is proven that this investigation was based on a lie than a federal judge has the
>power to end the investigation. . . .

Funny. After the Clinton Benghazi investigation was proven to be based on a lie, you were singing a very different tune. It's almost as if truth is irrelevant to you - all that matters is that your guy wins.

You'd do very well in the Trump administration; your talents are wasted in the real world.

Benghazi and the email server and the Clinton Foundation are all under investigation Again by non-political FBI. We'll see where it goes

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

tonyhays

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The Fusion GPS dossier.

That was only one piece of evidence that started the investigation, despite republican wet dreams to the contrary. Allow me to illuminate...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/romantic-encounter-set-off-australias-role-in-triggering-donald-trump-investigation-20180105-h0e34r.html

***Do your own damn research

Indeed.

Now that's funny! That was the next storyline used by the left after the Fusion GPS dossier story started to fall apart. The one you posted fell apart too.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Phil1111 1,149]

RonD1120

Thank you, a most helpful chart.

A couple more:
http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/pj_14-10-21_mediapolarization-01/

http://www.journalism.org/interactives/media-polarization/table/trust/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-does-your-favorite-news-source-rate-on-the-truthiness-scale-consult-this-chart-2016-12-15

[jakee 1,499]

rushmc

Benghazi and the email server and the Clinton Foundation are all under investigation Again by non-political FBI. We'll see where it goes

Why do you need to wait and see what happens? Surely you only investigate when you already know what happened? Someone told me that just yesterday.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

It is being reported that a more damning investigation will be coming out in March. This one will be done by the Inspector General at the request of the Democrats who wanted the Inspector General to investigate the firing of Comey. Report say what they have found has turned them to look at anti Trump people within the FBI and how they treated Hillary with kid gloves exonerating her before the investigation was even done and not charging her with crimes that she did commit.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln