kallend 2,027 #2051 February 4, 2018 From CONSERVATIVE blogger Jennifer Rubin: With his memo, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) botched for a second time (remember the unmasking scandal) an attempt to discredit the intelligence community to protect President Trump in the Russia investigation. For a second time he resorted to a specious and factually defective non-scandal, hoping to play to the Trump cultists and their state TV channel, Fox News. Nunes is exceedingly terrible at this game. For example: He managed to prove the dossier was not the basis of the Russia investigation; George Papadopoulos was. He underscored that one couldn’t possibly “spy” on the Trump campaign by getting a FISA warrant, which was kept secret during the campaign, on Carter Page — who already had left the campaign at the time the warrant was sought. He did not attempt to tie the FISA warrant to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III or to explain how the FISA court approved the warrant and its three extensions (which required a showing of progress in the investigation). He misstated former director James B. Comey’s remarks about the dossier. According to The Post’s reporting, his suggestion that the political nature of the dossier was withheld from the court — the central allegation in the memo — was false. (“The court that approved surveillance of a former campaign adviser to President Trump was aware that some of the information underpinning the warrant request was paid for by a political entity, although the application did not specifically name the Democratic National Committee or the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the matter. … [I]ts central allegation — that the government failed to disclose a source’s political bias — is baseless, the officials said.”) He never tried to prove the dossier was false or that Christopher Steele knew Fusion GPS was paid by the DNC (after it was originally engaged by the conservative Washington Free Beacon). He underscored that at four different points, the FISA court thought there was probable cause to conduct surveillance of Page, thereby establishing that a suspected Russian agent had in fact worked on the campaign. Nunes’s memo was so flimsy that even White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly told Trump it was a bust. The Post reports that Kelly told Trump that “the document was not as compelling as some of its advocates had promised Trump.” Oops.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2052 February 4, 2018 rushmc*** From the memo: “The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016" the memo noted in its final paragraph. The FBI did not seek authorization to conduct surveillance on Page until three months later, on Oct. 21, 2016. George Papadopolous is a cooperating witness. The memo is the nothingburger. Stated in the memo is confirmed. A fisa warrant would not have a bit issued if not for the Steele dossier. The fisa judge was lied to or he would have never issued it. I truly believe there's much much more to come on this. But all your spin on this so sure as hell fun to watch Then why would Trey Gowdy, who actually is one of two people who read the FISA warrant not support your assertion? Nunes never read the underlying material. I think because the unmasking debacle cost him his clearance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2053 February 4, 2018 Lastly, the author can't get some basic legal issues correct, so not sure why we should have any faith in any of the more difficult concepts this memo is supposed to broach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2054 February 4, 2018 McCabe said if not for the dossier no FISA warrant would have been granted. The republicans on the committee are asking for the transcript of McCabes testimony be released to counter the Dems lies."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #2055 February 4, 2018 Watched Trey Goudy on Meet the Press this morning. If Trey says the memo proves nothing I believe him.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #2056 February 4, 2018 Given he's one of the very few to see ALL the information, I have to agree. It's amazing to see what is actually written in the memo being ignored and facts twisted from those words. I don't think Nunes even realized what he admitted in the document. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #2057 February 4, 2018 SkyDekkerLastly, the author can't get some basic legal issues correct, so not sure why we should have any faith in any of the more difficult concepts this memo is supposed to broach. Nunes’s memo was so flimsy that even White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly told Trump it was a bust. The Post reports that Kelly told Trump that “the document was not as compelling as some of its advocates had promised Trump.” Oops. It seems that only hard core believers have any faith in this nothinburger memo.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2058 February 7, 2018 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/06/schiff-apparently-pranked-by-russian-radio-hosts-who-promised-naked-trump-photos.html"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2059 February 7, 2018 I find it ironic and sadly funny that he thinks it's okay to collude with the Russians to get information."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2060 February 7, 2018 Hey Bill, do you enjoy Adam shift and Congressman Heinz being on Vladimir Putin's RT TV?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2061 February 7, 2018 Hey Bill, and what do you think of Adam Schift trying to set up a meeting in a foreign Embassy to get Russian dirt on Trump? I thought that's the shitt that's caused all the problems with the Russia gate investigation you posted!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,206 #2062 February 7, 2018 rushmcI find it ironic and sadly funny that he thinks it's okay to collude with the Russians to get information. From the story YOU linked to: QuoteA spokesman for Schiff told The Atlantic that the committee reported the call to "appropriate law enforcement and security personnel" and told them "of our belief that it was probably bogus." Your lack of adequate reading before posting and drawing incorrect conclusions is on a par with the your usual posts.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2063 February 7, 2018 Have you seen the new unredacted Grassley memo tonight? Your fantasy world is falling into big piles of dog shit"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2064 February 7, 2018 How does it feel to see your political world falling into shambles?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2065 February 7, 2018 And now we know Blumenthal, a Hillary supporter, supplied info to Steele for the pee pee memo. You can make this shit up!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2066 February 7, 2018 rushmc http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/06/schiff-apparently-pranked-by-russian-radio-hosts-who-promised-naked-trump-photos.html Hey did you read that part where they reported it to appropriate law enforcement? Trump Jr. did that too right? That's why Bannon basically called him an idiot right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,206 #2067 February 7, 2018 Whatever silly nonsense the right wing distraction machine has come up with this week will not make any difference to the Mueller team grinding away at the rats running from the sinking ship that is the Trump administration.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #2068 February 7, 2018 rushmcI find it ironic and sadly funny that he thinks it's okay to collude with the Russians to get information. What did he do wron? He spoke for a few minutes with people who phoned him, gave nothing away, and then reported the call to the FBI. Do you think it's ironic and sadly funny that Republicans think it's ok to discuss US policy with them? "The Atlantic reported that when Kuznetsov and Stolyarov called McConnell, he told them that new sanctions against Russia were unlikely."Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2069 February 7, 2018 gowlerk***I find it ironic and sadly funny that he thinks it's okay to collude with the Russians to get information. From the story YOU linked to: QuoteA spokesman for Schiff told The Atlantic that the committee reported the call to "appropriate law enforcement and security personnel" and told them "of our belief that it was probably bogus." Your lack of adequate reading before posting and drawing incorrect conclusions is on a par with the your usual posts. His staff emails show that not to be true. He's just trying to cover his ass now"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2070 February 7, 2018 rushmc******I find it ironic and sadly funny that he thinks it's okay to collude with the Russians to get information. From the story YOU linked to: QuoteA spokesman for Schiff told The Atlantic that the committee reported the call to "appropriate law enforcement and security personnel" and told them "of our belief that it was probably bogus." Your lack of adequate reading before posting and drawing incorrect conclusions is on a par with the your usual posts. His staff emails show that not to be true. He's just trying to cover his ass now Cover his ass? If that is what you think then you must have a major problem with Trump Jr and cohorts meeting with Russians in Trump tower and then have Trump Sr. who supposedly knew nothing about the meeting, draft the response lying about it... But if that isn't a big deal in your world, then why is a prank call now worthy of CYA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2071 February 7, 2018 Rush, is the Papadopolous leak fake that Nunes said triggered the investigatioon? Are the emails sent by Trump Jr. fake in which he arranges a meeting with various Russians?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #2072 February 7, 2018 >And now we know Blumenthal, a Hillary supporter, supplied info to Steele for >the pee pee memo. You can make this shit up! Yes, you can - and you regularly do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #2073 February 7, 2018 It's quite surprising how much this investigation has expanded. It seems the deeper they dig, the more they find. Currently, preexisting business deals / money laundering, Russian information exchanges / spying / treason / cyber hacking, Russian campaign contacts, and Obstruction of Justice. I ran out of WOW!'s in regards to Trump some time ago, but DAMN! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #2074 February 7, 2018 >It's quite surprising how much this investigation has expanded. It seems the >deeper they dig, the more they find. Yep. RushMC, Trump et al keep saying it will be done by Thanksgiving, Christmas, the New Year etc. But at this point it looks like it's going to continue at least until the fall, mainly due to the increasingly rancorous discussions over Trump's testimony. His lawyers are going to draw it out as long as possible because they absolutely do NOT want him to testify - but at this point Mueller has all the evidence he needs to get a subpoena to compel him to do so. (Of course he could end it almost overnight by cooperating with investigators, but he knows he won't survive any complete investigation, so that's out.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #2075 February 7, 2018 As many as 60 Russians are expected to attend the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington. Weird, that goes against the Russian law against sharing faith in homes, online, or anywhere but recognized church buildings. In Russia, christians are arrested for this behavior! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites