Russiagate

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DanG

Hitler came through on a lot of his promises. Did that make him a great man?

Is that a Godwin?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,998]

>If he produces positive results on 40-50% he will be a great president. If he is successful in
>50-60% he will be an absolute winner as the best president in the history of our nation.

Obama delivered on 48% of his promises and compromised with Republicans on another 28%, giving him 76% delivered as promised or as compromised. I guess he's the absolute winner so far; best president in the history of our nation.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

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RonD1120

In business you only have to be successful 6 out of 10 tries to be a winner.

What???

If you fail on two fifths of the projects I give you, you're fired. That's not being a winner, it's being shit at your job.

[billvon 2,998]

And now, in the latest connection between the Trump team and Russia, Alex Van Der Zwaan has been indicted. He's a London lawyer who also happens to be the son in law of Russian oligarch German Borisovich Khan. And who also happened to be working for Gates and Manafort at the time.

https://lawfareblog.com/document-alex-van-der-zwaan-information

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yoink

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In business you only have to be successful 6 out of 10 tries to be a winner.

What???

If you fail on two fifths of the projects I give you, you're fired. That's not being a winner, it's being shit at your job.

He is thinking of the trump business style. You incorporate each business separately. Solicit funds from banks, shareholders and bondholders. Through incompetence and sweetheart insider management contracts, bleed the business dry. Declare bankruptcy. Move on.

When domestic funding, national shareholder interest, walks away because of your track record. You go to Russia, where money laundering, oligarchs moving money outside state control and gangsters. Supply funding, aka Kushner companies, trump enterprises.

Is Donald Trump’s Dark Russian Secret Hiding in Deutsche Bank’s Vaults?
http://www.newsweek.com/2017/12/29/donald-trump-russia-secret-deutsche-bank-753780.html

In November 2008, Steven Molo, an attorney for Deutsche Bank, wrote a letter to the Supreme Court of New York about one of the company’s most troublesome clients. At issue was $640 million that client had borrowed in 2005 to fund construction of a new hotel in Chicago. The client had personally guaranteed the loan, but a few years later, the Great Recession devastated the economy, and he defaulted on his payment, with $330 million outstanding. Deutsche was seeking an immediate $40 million from the client, plus interest, legal fees and costs....

The debtor in question: Donald Trump, the future president of the United States....

As a result of these maneuvers, by the mid-2000s, U.S. financial institutions had stopped lending to Trump for his building projects. Deutsche was the only one still willing to work with him.

After Trump burned the bank, Deutsche shunned him as well. But Trump soon found a creative way to get off its blacklist—and return to solvency....

Over the next few years, the money kept rolling in for Trump. He took out two mortgages against a resort in Miami and a $170 million loan to finish his hotel in Washington, D.C. According to Bloomberg, by the time Trump was elected president of the United States in November 2016, he owed Deutsche around $300 million, an unprecedented debt for an incoming president. (His June financial disclosure showed he owes the bank $130 million, which is due in full in 2024.)

The loans to Trump weren’t the only abnormal behavior at Deutsche. Around the same time he received his new line of credit, the bank was laundering money, according to the New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS). Russian money. Billions of dollars that flowed from Moscow to London, then from London to New York—part of a scheme for which European and American regulators eventually punished the bank."

The rest of the story will be told by a Mueller indictment.

Coming soon in a US courtroom.

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DanG

Hitler came through on a lot of his promises. Did that make him a great man?

Mussolini even made the trains run on time.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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RonD1120

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Do you REALLY believe that no-one loves the Bible more than Trump?

Really?

Yes or no?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RonD1120 62]

yoink

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In business you only have to be successful 6 out of 10 tries to be a winner.

What???

If you fail on two fifths of the projects I give you, you're fired. That's not being a winner, it's being shit at your job.

There is a difference between being salaried/wage earner and entrepreneur/investor.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

kallend

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Do you REALLY believe that no-one loves the Bible more than Trump?

Really?

Yes or no?

I don't have to believe it. It is not relevant to me in this situation. I voted for President Trump to beat Hillary.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

billvon

>If he produces positive results on 40-50% he will be a great president. If he is successful in
>50-60% he will be an absolute winner as the best president in the history of our nation.

Obama delivered on 48% of his promises and compromised with Republicans on another 28%, giving him 76% delivered as promised or as compromised. I guess he's the absolute winner so far; best president in the history of our nation.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Good point.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

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Do you REALLY believe that no-one loves the Bible more than Trump?

Really?

Yes or no?

I don't have to believe it. It is not relevant to me in this situation. I voted for President Trump to beat Hillary.

Translation: you KNOW he's a LIAR but you just don't care.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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RonD1120

***>If he produces positive results on 40-50% he will be a great president. If he is successful in
>50-60% he will be an absolute winner as the best president in the history of our nation.

Obama delivered on 48% of his promises and compromised with Republicans on another 28%, giving him 76% delivered as promised or as compromised. I guess he's the absolute winner so far; best president in the history of our nation.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Good point.

Must be a different reason you dislike Obama so much then....wonder what it is.

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SkyDekker

******>If he produces positive results on 40-50% he will be a great president. If he is successful in
>50-60% he will be an absolute winner as the best president in the history of our nation.

Obama delivered on 48% of his promises and compromised with Republicans on another 28%, giving him 76% delivered as promised or as compromised. I guess he's the absolute winner so far; best president in the history of our nation.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Good point.

Must be a different reason you dislike Obama so much then....wonder what it is.

My primary objection to Obama is his ideology. He was trained or at least strongly influenced by Islam and communism/socialism and motivated by an American church the promoted racial conflict. "God**** America," the Rev Jeremiah Wright. And, I believe he was a tool of George Soros.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

kallend

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Do you REALLY believe that no-one loves the Bible more than Trump?

Really?

Yes or no?

I don't have to believe it. It is not relevant to me in this situation. I voted for President Trump to beat Hillary.

Translation: you KNOW he's a LIAR but you just don't care.

I do not have any method for measuring someone's love for anything. Do you know of any such quantifying or qualifying tool? As I accurately stated, it is not a relevant question.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,998]

>My primary objection to Obama is his ideology. He was trained or at least strongly
>influenced by Islam and communism/socialism and motivated by an American church the
>promoted racial conflict.

And Trump was strongly influenced by Russians currying his favor and ensuring his election, and motivated by a deep desire to solicit money from them and deceive people on that topic. But that's OK because reasons.

I suspect that, for you, all that matters is that R after his name. If Obama was named Nampeyo you would decide that his Native American roots mean he has a pagan ideology, and is therefore unfit to be president. If he was named John Baptist you would decide that his "connections" to George Soros means he's a secret Jew and is therefore unfit to be president. But those would just be excuses; ways to justify your rejection of anyone with a D after their name.

(You're in good company; a large percentage of the people in the US look for nothing else other than that letter. In a society that places such importance on sports and gaming, having "your team" win is a big deal.)

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billvon

>My primary objection to Obama is his ideology. He was trained or at least strongly
>influenced by Islam and communism/socialism and motivated by an American church the
>promoted racial conflict.

And Trump was strongly influenced by Russians currying his favor and ensuring his election, and motivated by a deep desire to solicit money from them and deceive people on that topic. But that's OK because reasons.

I suspect that, for you, all that matters is that R after his name. If Obama was named Nampeyo you would decide that his Native American roots mean he has a pagan ideology, and is therefore unfit to be president. If he was named John Baptist you would decide that his "connections" to George Soros means he's a secret Jew and is therefore unfit to be president. But those would just be excuses; ways to justify your rejection of anyone with a D after their name.

(You're in good company; a large percentage of the people in the US look for nothing else other than that letter. In a society that places such importance on sports and gaming, having "your team" win is a big deal.)

Interesting but not accurate. I started paying attention to Obama in 2003 and had him pegged early on.

I voted for McCain/Palin because I wanted to see Sarah Palin as our first female president succeeding John.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,998]

>I voted for McCain/Palin because I wanted to see Sarah Palin as our first female
>president succeeding John.

?? Right. And she had an R after her name.

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billvon

>I voted for McCain/Palin because I wanted to see Sarah Palin as our first female
>president succeeding John.

?? Right. And she had an R after her name.

And, she was more qualified than Obama. I am an Independent BTW.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Interesting but not accurate. I started paying attention to Obama in 2003 and had him pegged early on.

Pretty impressive that you were tracking an Illinois state senator from across the country. I had no idea you were to politically informed.

Any obscure state senators we should keep our eyes on these days?

- Dan G

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DanG

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Interesting but not accurate. I started paying attention to Obama in 2003 and had him pegged early on.

Pretty impressive that you were tracking an Illinois state senator from across the country. I had no idea you were to politically informed.

Any obscure state senators we should keep our eyes on these days?

Only a local state representative, keep an eye on Matt Gurtler.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[DanG 1]

Fascinating. BTW, your claim that you are an Independent is about the funniest thing I've seen today.

Have you voted for anyone who wasn't a Republican in the last few decades?

- Dan G

[billvon 2,998]

>And, she was more qualified than Obama.

She didn't know what the Fed was. She thought North Korea and South Korea were the same country, just different parts, like Northern Texas and Southern Texas. She thought Paul Revere rode around warning the British that colonists were coming. She thought that New Hampshire was in the Pacific Northwest and that we shared a border with Afghanistan.

There wasn't really any contest on who was more qualified. To be president of the United States, you have to know where the states are, and what countries we are next to. Pretty much a requirement.

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RonD1120

***>My primary objection to Obama is his ideology. He was trained or at least strongly
>influenced by Islam and communism/socialism and motivated by an American church the
>promoted racial conflict.

And Trump was strongly influenced by Russians currying his favor and ensuring his election, and motivated by a deep desire to solicit money from them and deceive people on that topic. But that's OK because reasons.

I suspect that, for you, all that matters is that R after his name. If Obama was named Nampeyo you would decide that his Native American roots mean he has a pagan ideology, and is therefore unfit to be president. If he was named John Baptist you would decide that his "connections" to George Soros means he's a secret Jew and is therefore unfit to be president. But those would just be excuses; ways to justify your rejection of anyone with a D after their name.

(You're in good company; a large percentage of the people in the US look for nothing else other than that letter. In a society that places such importance on sports and gaming, having "your team" win is a big deal.)

Interesting but not accurate. I started paying attention to Obama in 2003 and had him pegged early on.

I voted for McCain/Palin because I wanted to see Sarah Palin as our first female president succeeding John.

Out of curiosity, do you still think that Palin would have made a good President? This was actually the election in which the scales tipped and I started voting for mostly Democrats as I had always voted Republican because of nation security and financial issues. I was otherwise gunning for McCain until we found out what she was about.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[RonD1120 62]

DanG

Fascinating. BTW, your claim that you are an Independent is about the funniest thing I've seen today.

Have you voted for anyone who wasn't a Republican in the last few decades?

Yes, Ross Perot.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

DJL

******>My primary objection to Obama is his ideology. He was trained or at least strongly
>influenced by Islam and communism/socialism and motivated by an American church the
>promoted racial conflict.

And Trump was strongly influenced by Russians currying his favor and ensuring his election, and motivated by a deep desire to solicit money from them and deceive people on that topic. But that's OK because reasons.

I suspect that, for you, all that matters is that R after his name. If Obama was named Nampeyo you would decide that his Native American roots mean he has a pagan ideology, and is therefore unfit to be president. If he was named John Baptist you would decide that his "connections" to George Soros means he's a secret Jew and is therefore unfit to be president. But those would just be excuses; ways to justify your rejection of anyone with a D after their name.

(You're in good company; a large percentage of the people in the US look for nothing else other than that letter. In a society that places such importance on sports and gaming, having "your team" win is a big deal.)

Interesting but not accurate. I started paying attention to Obama in 2003 and had him pegged early on.

I voted for McCain/Palin because I wanted to see Sarah Palin as our first female president succeeding John.

Out of curiosity, do you still think that Palin would have made a good President? This was actually the election in which the scales tipped and I started voting for mostly Democrats as I had always voted Republican because of nation security and financial issues. I was otherwise gunning for McCain until we found out what she was about.

Had she held the office it would have mostly likely been 2012-2016. Considering the events of that period, yes, I think she would have handled the job well.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.