gowlerk 2,249 #1 February 18, 2017 http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/02/17/abortion-bill-oklahoma Requires a woman to get permission from the man who contributed the sperm. Because: Quote men should have a say in abortions, not just pregnant women, and referred to women as "hosts" for fetuses. Are they attempting to be as deliberately offensive as possible? American Taliban.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 851 #2 February 18, 2017 I'm growing fornd of the term christian terrorism. That shit is everywhere and our government isn't doing anything about it as if they're afraid to even call it out for what it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theplummeter 15 #3 February 18, 2017 normiss I'm growing fornd of the term christian terrorism. That shit is everywhere and our government isn't doing anything about it as if they're afraid to even call it out for what it is. Maybe next year they'll pass biblical legislation that forces women to marry their rapist, as once their virginity is gone they have little value left that their fathers can trade for land or cattle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #4 February 18, 2017 gowlerk http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/02/17/abortion-bill-oklahoma Requires a woman to get permission from the man who contributed the sperm. Because: Quote men should have a say in abortions, not just pregnant women, and referred to women as "hosts" for fetuses. Are they attempting to be as deliberately offensive as possible? American Taliban. If the courts are going to force the sperm donor to make payments they should have some power. For the life of me I can't see how this would work.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #5 February 18, 2017 gowlerk http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/02/17/abortion-bill-oklahoma Requires a woman to get permission from the man who contributed the sperm. Because: Quote men should have a say in abortions, not just pregnant women, and referred to women as "hosts" for fetuses. Are they attempting to be as deliberately offensive as possible? American Taliban. I believe there is some merit in this very complicated issue. I once had a client, an airline pilot and sport parachutist, who became suicidal because his girlfriend killed their child through abortion.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,534 #6 February 18, 2017 I can see this point of view. Really. In most circumstances it's best, partly for exactly the reason airdvr suggested. Partly because both were involved in conception. However, It should be a minority vote, because the male tends to have a minority role in the actual pregnancy and birth. And only rarely does court-ordered child support pay for full support, so saying that if he pays he gets to decide is a little disingenuous. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,249 #7 February 18, 2017 Quote I believe there is some merit in this very complicated issue. I once had a client, an airline pilot and sport parachutist, who became suicidal because his girlfriend killed their child through abortion. And you believe that somehow the mental health of this client is the responsibility of the woman involved?Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 851 #8 February 18, 2017 There's a chance it was god's will of course. Maybe god wanted him to come home, remember that celebration of death is the goal. So if that's believable to some, anything is possible. Wendy, as usual, nailed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,406 #9 February 19, 2017 wmw999 I can see this point of view. Really. In most circumstances it's best, partly for exactly the reason airdvr suggested. Partly because both were involved in conception. However, It should be a minority vote, because the male tends to have a minority role in the actual pregnancy and birth. And only rarely does court-ordered child support pay for full support, so saying that if he pays he gets to decide is a little disingenuous. Wendy P. Both parties are responsible for the situation she's in. Conversely, consider the women who are devastated in telling their S/O that they're pregnant expecting something other than... go get an abortion. I think they should both be held accountable in the decision-making process. I think counseling should be an immediate decision also.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 333 #10 February 21, 2017 BIGUN Both parties are responsible for the situation she's in. Conversely, consider the women who are devastated in telling their S/O that they're pregnant expecting something other than... go get an abortion. I think they should both be held accountable in the decision-making process. I think counseling should be an immediate decision also. Only if the act was consensual. So, not necessarily.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,406 #11 February 21, 2017 TriGirl *** Both parties are responsible for the situation she's in. Conversely, consider the women who are devastated in telling their S/O that they're pregnant expecting something other than... go get an abortion. I think they should both be held accountable in the decision-making process. I think counseling should be an immediate decision also. Only if the act was consensual. So, not necessarily. Totally AgreeNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites