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[billvon 2,991]

>Elections have consequences.

Yes, they do. And soon Trump supporters will begin to feel those consequences as they lose their health insurance.

[gowlerk 2,193]

So...., now the bill goes to the Senate, correct? If the Senate makes any changes at all, which it is sure to do, then it goes back to the House? Where it just barely got through, only all this will come as the mid-terms loom?

This battle is just beginning.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[kallend 2,027]

gowlerk

So...., now the bill goes to the Senate, correct? If the Senate makes any changes at all, which it is sure to do, then it goes back to the House? Where it just barely got through, only all this will come as the mid-terms loom?

This battle is just beginning.

In its present form it's DOA in the Senate.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

***So...., now the bill goes to the Senate, correct? If the Senate makes any changes at all, which it is sure to do, then it goes back to the House? Where it just barely got through, only all this will come as the mid-terms loom?

This battle is just beginning.

In its present form it's DOA in the Senate.

Bet you 50 bucks Trump is on the evening news talking about how this is a big triumph despite that.

[ryoder 1,590]

headoverheels

Nothing, if you have plenty of money and don't mind negotiating every bill. One of the annoying things about medical bills is that they usually bill much higher to the insurers than they will be paid per agreement, even though they know the allowed amount up front. They can also bill uninsured individuals at higher amounts than the negotiated insurer rates. I had a quick surgery with one night stay in hospital last year -- the hospital billed my insurer about $130k, of which they were paid $37k. What would I have been on the hook for, as an uninsured individual? No idea, but I expect more than $37k.

I have a friend (skydiver, ~60 years old) who elects to go uninsured. He said that doctors will give him a 15% discount, as an uninsured person paying cash. What I don't know is how much higher his "discounted" price is, if any, than the insurer's rate.

Several years ago, over an 18 month period, I had 3 different minor out-patient surgeries. In looking over the paperwork afterward, I was astounded at what a small portion of the "list price" they accepted from the insurance company. In one case it was one seventh of the list price. I read over the papers three times to be sure I was reading it correctly.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 2,991]

>Bet you 50 bucks Trump is on the evening news talking about how this is a big triumph despite that.

Maybe. He's in a bit of a pickle - it doesn't keep any of his promises, and he doesn't want to become unpopular by pulling insurance from millions. So I'd expect some self-congratulation on "ending Obamacare" but nothing about how this legislation is any good.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

yoink

******So...., now the bill goes to the Senate, correct? If the Senate makes any changes at all, which it is sure to do, then it goes back to the House? Where it just barely got through, only all this will come as the mid-terms loom?

This battle is just beginning.

In its present form it's DOA in the Senate.

Bet you 50 bucks Trump is on the evening news talking about how this is a big triumph despite that.

"Unbelievable Victory" is the words he used.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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wolfriverjoe

"Unbelievable Victory" is the words he used.

"Unbelievable" is a word I used.

[ryoder 1,590]

yoink

Bet you 50 bucks Trump is on the evening news talking about how this is a big triumph despite that.

And I'll bet you $100 that Drumpf has no idea what is in the bill.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[gowlerk 2,193]

ryoder

***
Bet you 50 bucks Trump is on the evening news talking about how this is a big triumph despite that.

And I'll bet you $100 that Drumpf has no idea what is in the bill.


Does not matter what is in the bill. It passed the House, it is not the ACA, and it won't be called Obamacare. Those are the things that matter.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[headoverheels 333]

billvon

>Elections have consequences.

Yes, they do. And soon Trump supporters will begin to feel those consequences as they lose their health insurance.

There are 11 states in the US that have more than 30% of the population under 65 having pre-existing conditions. All 11 voted for Trump. Good luck to anyone who is self-employed, or laid off, or working for a smaller company without group insurance.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi Ken,

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Those are the things that matter.

Not to everyone. And, for some, until they go to use their TrumpCare and find out they're up the proverbial creek.

Then, and maybe only then, they might just ask themselves what they voted for.

Jerry Baumchen

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JerryBaumchen

Hi Ke,

Quote

Those are the things that matter.

Not to everyone. And, for some, until they go to use their TrumpCare and find out they're up the proverbial creek.

Then, and maybe only then, they might just ask themselves what they voted for.

Jerry Baumchen

they won't put 2 and 2 together like that.

It'll still be Obama's fault.

[gowlerk 2,193]

yoink

***Hi Ke,

Quote

Those are the things that matter.

Not to everyone. And, for some, until they go to use their TrumpCare and find out they're up the proverbial creek.

Then, and maybe only then, they might just ask themselves what they voted for.

Jerry Baumchen

they won't put 2 and 2 together like that.

It'll still be Obama's fault.

Yes it's true. They are dead set against socialism. But they want health care somehow anyway. In a way brenthutch is right about this. At least he understands the issue, even if I can't agree with his answer.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[ryoder 1,590]

gowlerk

Yes it's true. They are dead set against socialism.

Tell them you are going to abolish Social Security and Medicare, then watch how quickly they suddenly become socialists.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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ryoder

***
Yes it's true. They are dead set against socialism.

Tell them you are going to abolish Social Security and Medicare, then watch how quickly they suddenly become socialists.

Well DUH. We're against the BAD sort of socialism. The kind that is really bad and benefits bad people.
Anything that's good for me isn't Socialist. It's Americanism. We keep that!

[ryoder 1,590]

Proof that Drumpf has no idea what is in the House bill just passed: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/04/trump-praises-australias-universal-health-care-system-you-have-better-health-care-than-we-do/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[billvon 2,991]

>Yes it's true. They are dead set against socialism. But they want health care
>somehow anyway.

This was summed up perfectly by an article on the Tea Party in 2010:

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In follow-up interviews, Tea Party supporters said they did not want to cut Medicare or Social Security — the biggest domestic programs, suggesting instead a focus on “waste.”

Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”
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[DanG 1]

The bill "defunds" Planned Parenthood. I expect that will be the focus of much Republican high fiving on the news.

Of course the result will be more abortions, not fewer, but that's not what the pro-life movement is about anyway.

- Dan G

[ryoder 1,590]

“Like y’all, I’m still waiting to see if it’s a boy or a girl,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). “Any bill that has been posted less than 24 hours, going to be debated three or four hours, not scored? Needs to be viewed with suspicion.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/04/house-health-care-bill-senate-doa-238000

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[airdvr 210]

ryoder

Proof that Drumpf has no idea what is in the House bill just passed: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/04/trump-praises-australias-universal-health-care-system-you-have-better-health-care-than-we-do/

You didn't have the same problem when ACA was passed and the Dems didn't know either.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[melch 1]

http://www.businessinsider.de/trump-australia-health-care-bernie-sanders-2017-5?r=US&IR=T

Almost immediately after his political victory moving away from universal healthcare administered by the federal government, Trump praises Australia's universal healthcare system as better than ours. Can't make this stuff up.

[billvon 2,991]

>You didn't have the same problem when ACA was passed and the Dems didn't know either.

No, I didn't - because the ACA was created after eight months of debates, reviews and changes. They didn't try to ram it through in a few weeks.

[airdvr 210]

billvon

>You didn't have the same problem when ACA was passed and the Dems didn't know either.

No, I didn't - because the ACA was created after eight months of debates, reviews and changes. They didn't try to ram it through in a few weeks.

So after 8 months they still didn't know what was in it? What difference does it make? The only problem we have now is taking away something that was given. Take a good look at Greece if you want to see the future.

BTW...I have no problem with a single payer system with the exception of what to do with all of the folks who don't pay taxes

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[yoink 321]

The solution to a poorly thought out system isn't to rush through another poorly thought-out system and hope it's better.

That's insane.

That congress can approve something before any serious costing or investigation is done of the bill is equally insane. That's them failing at their job and putting politics before the welfare of the people they represent.
'Well, I hear Bob say's it's pretty good, so yeah. It gets my vote!'