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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

billvon

And of course Congress will get to keep their Obamacare after they yank it from everyone else:

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Senate Republicans exempt own health coverage from part of latest proposal

Updated by Sarah Kliff on July 13, 2017 3:00 pm
VOX

Senate Republicans included a provision that exempts members of Congress and their staff from part of their latest health care plan.

This exemption could have the effect of ensuring that members of Congress have coverage for a wider array of benefits than other Americans who purchase their own coverage.
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Ya know?

I'd love to see Congress, all their staff and all their families (staff families too) be required to use the VA.

To go through all of the hoops and hassles that the VA makes the veterans go through.

They would never go for it.
But it would be cool to see.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[kallend 2,027]

McConnell is delaying the vote on his bill to take away healthcare from millions so John McCain can recover from surgery provided by his government (taxpayer) funded healthcare.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Phil1111 1,149]

kallend

McConnell is delaying the vote on his bill to take away healthcare from millions so John McCain can recover from surgery provided by his government (taxpayer) funded healthcare.

John McCain fully deserves any medical care that the US taxpayer needs to provide. His sacrifices in the war in US independence through to Vietnam creates a debt that really can't be ever repaid.

There is a reason why rushmc and other trump supporters hate McCain. He is a true republican. a conservative with intelligence and heart. He calls a spade a spade and puts the US national interests first.

[kallend 2,027]

Phil1111

***McConnell is delaying the vote on his bill to take away healthcare from millions so John McCain can recover from surgery provided by his government (taxpayer) funded healthcare.

John McCain fully deserves any medical care that the US taxpayer needs to provide. His sacrifices in the war in US independence through to Vietnam creates a debt that really can't be ever repaid.

There is a reason why rushmc and other trump supporters hate McCain. He is a true republican. a conservative with intelligence and heart. He calls a spade a spade and puts the US national interests first.

I strongly suspect that there are some equally deserving individuals among the millions that Trump/Ryan/McConnell are trying to deprive of healthcare.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Phil1111 1,149]

kallend

******McConnell is delaying the vote on his bill to take away healthcare from millions so John McCain can recover from surgery provided by his government (taxpayer) funded healthcare.

John McCain fully deserves any medical care that the US taxpayer needs to provide. His sacrifices in the war in US independence through to Vietnam creates a debt that really can't be ever repaid.

There is a reason why rushmc and other trump supporters hate McCain. He is a true republican. a conservative with intelligence and heart. He calls a spade a spade and puts the US national interests first.

I strongly suspect that there are some equally deserving individuals among the millions that Trump/Ryan/McConnell are trying to deprive of healthcare.

Well obviously I like McCain. You are right Twenty five million Americans loosing Medicaid and/or insurance is a failure. Every major industrial country recognizes the importance of a national health care plan. Except US republicans.

SAD.

[ryoder 1,590]

"It's dead, Jim":

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/17/obamacare-senators-turn-on-mcconnell-240646

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,027]

ryoder

"It's dead, Jim":

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/17/obamacare-senators-turn-on-mcconnell-240646

Yes, but it still needs a stake through the heart.

The GOP couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery.

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[yoink 321]

ryoder

"It's dead, Jim":

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/17/obamacare-senators-turn-on-mcconnell-240646

The hilarious bit is Trump's response.

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Republicans should just REPEAL failing ObamaCare now & work on a new Healthcare Plan that will start from a clean slate. Dems will join in!

We couldn't come up with a plan that actually works, so fuck it - Just cancel what we've got without any plan in place at all... we'll probably come up with something next time.


Solid thinking from the Pres.

[ScottishJohn 25]

I'm not American but the term "Lame Duck President" springs to my mind.
Donald Trump, the guy that could talk a good campagn and promised so much fails to deliver anything.

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If you think my attitude stinks you should smell my fingers

[kallend 2,027]

Republican Sen. Ron Johnson told a Wisconsin paper, “I am concerned about Leader McConnell’s comments to apparently some of my Republican colleagues — ‘Don’t worry about some of the Medicaid reforms, those are scheduled so far in the future they’ll never take effect.’ I’ve got to confirm those comments. … I think those comments are going to really put the motion to proceed in jeopardy, whether it’s on my part or others.” He continued: “Many of us, one of the main reasons we are willing to support a bill that doesn’t even come close to repealing Obamacare … was because at least we were devolving the management back to the states, and putting some level of sustainability into an unsustainable entitlement program. If our leader is basically saying don’t worry about it, we’ve designed it so that those reforms will never take effect, first of all, that’s a pretty significant breach of trust, and why support the bill then?”

"Breach of trust"? It's downright lying duplicity on McConnell's part.

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[Phil1111 1,149]

kallend

Republican Sen. Ron Johnson told a Wisconsin paper, “I am concerned about Leader McConnell’s comments to apparently some of my Republican colleagues — ‘Don’t worry about some of the Medicaid reforms, those are scheduled so far in the future they’ll never take effect.’ I’ve got to confirm those comments. … I think those comments are going to really put the motion to proceed in jeopardy, whether it’s on my part or others.” He continued: “Many of us, one of the main reasons we are willing to support a bill that doesn’t even come close to repealing Obamacare … was because at least we were devolving the management back to the states, and putting some level of sustainability into an unsustainable entitlement program. If our leader is basically saying don’t worry about it, we’ve designed it so that those reforms will never take effect, first of all, that’s a pretty significant breach of trust, and why support the bill then?”

"Breach of trust"? It's downright lying duplicity on McConnell's part.

The trust obligations of politicians. The true definition of what oxymoron means....mmm... I wonder if trump is an oxymoron instead of just an IDIOT!

[billvon 2,991]

yoink

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Republicans should just REPEAL failing ObamaCare now & work on a new Healthcare Plan that will start from a clean slate. Dems will join in!

We couldn't come up with a plan that actually works, so fuck it - Just cancel what we've got without any plan in place at all... we'll probably come up with something next time.

"Trust us!"

[normiss 801]

Pres. Trump:
"Let Obamacare fail, it'll be a lot easier ... I'm not going to own it."

The most overtly selfish president I can remember.
He actually wants Americans to suffer just for his own ego rather than work w/ democrats.

[billvon 2,991]

Republican Shelley Capito grows a spine! Kudos to her for standing with the American people against Trump.

"As I have said before, I did not come to Washington to hurt people. For months, I have expressed reservations about the direction of the bill to repeal and replace Obamacare. I have serious concerns about how we continue to provide affordable care to those who have benefited from West Virginia's decision to expand Medicaid, especially in light of the growing opioid crisis. All of the Senate healthcare discussion drafts have failed to address these concerns adequately."

It's sad that "I don't want to hurt people" now runs counter to the GOP platform.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

billvon

...It's sad that "I don't want to hurt people" now runs counter to the GOP platform.

Pfft. Those are just little people.

They don't donate to the Republican party or any of it's surrogates.

It's ok to hurt them.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 2,991]

Fortunately the CBO has already scored "just repeal Obamacare with no replacement." Their analysis:

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The number of people who are uninsured would increase by 18 million in the first new plan year following enactment of the bill. Later, after the elimination of the ACA’s expansion of Medicaid eligibility and of subsidies for insurance purchased through the ACA marketplaces, that number would increase to 27 million, and then to 32 million in 2026.

Premiums in the nongroup market (for individual policies purchased through the marketplaces or directly from insurers) would increase by 20 percent to 25 percent—relative to projections under current law—in the first new plan year following enactment. The increase would reach about 50 percent in the year following the elimination of the Medicaid expansion and the marketplace subsidies, and premiums would about double by 2026.
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How much will it cost?

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Striking down Obamacare, as the federal insurance program is called, would increase the nation's budget deficit by a net $137 billion over a 10-year period, according to the nonpartisan CBO, which analyzes budgetary and economic issues on behalf of lawmakers.
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32 million Americans uninsured, 50 percent higher premiums and a ballooning deficit. But a tax cut for the rich. What's not to like for Trump supporters?

[billvon 2,991]

And . . . the latest attempt, "just repeal it and replace it later" is now dead. Three senators - Lisa Murkowski, Shelley Moore Capito and Susan Collins - have come out against it.

Is this try #5? I've lost count.

On the other hand, they tried to repeal Obamacare over 50 times under Obama so they have another 45 or so tries to go.

[yoink 321]

How do we make progress from here?

Trump says 'in '18 we need to go out and get more republicans elected...'

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-40650786/trump-s-three-takeaways-from-failed-bill

So a majority in both houses isn't enough for him to get legislation passed. He sees his way forward as getting a Trump-friendly majority in the sitting senators and congressmen while maintaining an overall majority as the best way to get stuff done.

Well no shit, sherlock.

Not developing legislation that can get approval from the Republicans in general. Not working with the democrats to create a moderate position. Trump's solution is just loading the game enough that exactly what he wants gets passed.


Yet more evidence that this guy is a spoiled child who is used to just getting his own way. What a fantastic trait in a president.

[billvon 2,991]

>So a majority in both houses isn't enough for him to get legislation passed. He
>sees his way forward as getting a Trump-friendly majority in the sitting senators
>and congressmen while maintaining an overall majority as the best way to get stuff
>done.

So 25% republican, 25% democratic and 50% trumpie?

[billvon 2,991]

To revisit Trump's steady leadership on the healthcare issue:

Monday: "Republicans should just REPEAL failing ObamaCare now & work on a new Healthcare Plan that will start from a clean slate. Dems will join in!"

Tuesday: "As I have always said, let ObamaCare fail and then come together and do a great healthcare plan." (in places where "always" = "today" I guess.)

Wednesday: "We have to repeal and replace Obamacare. We can repeal it, but the best is repeal and replace."

OK then. We should repeal it, but like he always says, we shouldn't repeal it, just let it fail. And repeal it.

Any other guidance from the popular vote loser?

"Being OK with Obamacare is not an option for another reason. Because it's gone. It's failed."

Great! No need to repeal it!

"And remember this. Cross-country lines. Cross-state lines. Where you have . . .where it's almost impossible for insurance companies to compete in different states. We can't, because of, unfortunately, the 60 votes. Put that here. But it's going to come very soon. We're putting it in a popular bill."

So selling plans across state lines will be in here! But. . . not.

"We're gonna have the cross state lines knocked out.. . . you're gonna have forms of insurance you don't even know about right now. Because that's the way it works."

Excellent! You are going to be getting forms of insurance that you don't even KNOW about! Doesn't that sound awesome? Not like the failing Obamacare where you knew what you got, like a loser.

[kallend 2,027]

"Latest Senate healthcare bill would leave 22 million without insurance: CBO"

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-cbo-idUSKBN1A52AG

"Thirty-two million Americans would lose their health insurance by 2026 if Obamacare is scrapped without an alternative in place, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reported on Wednesday, while 17 million would become uninsured next year alone.

At the same time, premiums on individual insurance plans would rise 25 percent next year and double by 2026."

OTOH:

“I am going to take care of everybody … Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.” Donald J. Trump

“I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid”, Donald J. Trump

“We don't want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance.”, Kellyanne Conway

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. We’re going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better.” Donald J. Trump

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[kallend 2,027]

Totally out of touch with reality:

www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/20/what-was-trump-talking-about-with-12-a-year-health-insurance/?utm_term=.fe4960a05677

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,991]

It should take only moments for Trump and his supporters to forget ever seeing this:

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Doctors’ Group To Senate: Don’t Repeal, But Fix Obamacare

Jon Elswick/AP
Published JULY 21, 2017 1:53 PM

CHICAGO (AP) — The nation’s largest doctors’ group urged senators on Friday to stop trying to repeal or replace Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act and instead begin a bipartisan effort to stabilize the insurance marketplace.

The American Medical Association said proposed Republican bills — one to repeal and replace the 2010 health law, the other to repeal only — would cause too many people to lose coverage.

“Each bill results in millions more Americans without health insurance coverage, weakened markets, less access to affordable coverage and care, and the undermining of funding for state Medicaid programs,” wrote Dr. James L. Madara, the group’s CEO, in a letter to Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

The doctors group called for bipartisan cooperation, starting with action to shore up shaky insurance markets.
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I predict that within two weeks Trump will claim "doctors love my new plan; they support it 100%."

[kallend 2,027]

billvon

It should take only moments for Trump and his supporters to forget ever seeing this:

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Doctors’ Group To Senate: Don’t Repeal, But Fix Obamacare

Jon Elswick/AP
Published JULY 21, 2017 1:53 PM

CHICAGO (AP) — The nation’s largest doctors’ group urged senators on Friday to stop trying to repeal or replace Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act and instead begin a bipartisan effort to stabilize the insurance marketplace.

The American Medical Association said proposed Republican bills — one to repeal and replace the 2010 health law, the other to repeal only — would cause too many people to lose coverage.

“Each bill results in millions more Americans without health insurance coverage, weakened markets, less access to affordable coverage and care, and the undermining of funding for state Medicaid programs,” wrote Dr. James L. Madara, the group’s CEO, in a letter to Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

The doctors group called for bipartisan cooperation, starting with action to shore up shaky insurance markets.
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I predict that within two weeks Trump will claim "doctors love my new plan; they support it 100%."

The reason McConnell won't hold public hearings is that just about every professional medical group would testify that it is strongly opposed to repeal and/or replace.

The GOP painted itself into this corner.

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[jakee 1,490]

It's funny that some are trying to paint the Democrats as the new 'Party of No' (which to be fair it's hard not to be to an extent when you're out of power in all both tiers of congress and the Whitehouse) when the Republicans are demonstrating every single day that they're still the party of no even though they're actually in power now.

They don't know how to replace Obamacare, they don't know what to replace it with, they don't know whether they want a replacement that's better or worse or cheaper or costlier, they don't even know if they want any replacement at all... they only know that they want to say 'No' to Obamacare. Their entire healthcare platform is one of opposition, and it's like they haven't figured out yet that they're in government for real.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?