Flynn wants immunity to testify on Russia allegations

[yoink 321]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39451358


and Flynn in September:

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when you are given immunity that means you have probably committed a crime

https://twitter.com/axios/status/847601535777333251

Interesting, but ultimately pointless. Those who don't approve of Trump already think he and/or his team colluded with the Russians to manipulate the election, and those who do approve of him wouldn't believe anything he testified to even if Putin had 'I stole the US election' tattooed on his tallywhacker and fed it to them.

Plus, can't immunity only be granted by the AG? The person in which position Trump fired not long ago for abiding by the constitution and replacing them with a sock puppet who has already had to recuse himself for links with Russia... Immunity by that guy? Not likely.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

yoink

Plus, can't immunity only be granted by the AG? The person in which position Trump fired not long ago for abiding by the constitution and replacing them with a sock puppet who has already had to recuse himself for links with Russia... Immunity by that guy? Not likely.

It depends. Immunity is granted by "the prosecutor." Since Sessions has recused himself from the case, he is no longer "the prosecutor."

So it would fall to the "special prosecutor" to decide who gets immunity and who gets charged.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 2,998]

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Those who don't approve of Trump already think he and/or his team colluded with the Russians to manipulate the election, and those who do approve of him wouldn't believe anything he testified to even if Putin had 'I stole the US election' tattooed on his tallywhacker and fed it to them.

As in the past, though, it won't necessarily be the Russian connection that becomes the big issue - it may well be the coverup that brings him down. Even now, Nunes is looking more and more like he's being manipulated by Trump. And with people saying they will testify in exchange for immunity, there's a lot more to come.

[normiss 801]

Request denied.

Maybe they'll just subpoena him now.

[Phil1111 1,149]

normiss

Request denied.

Maybe they'll just subpoena him now.

Well for sure they will. Either the FBI has the goods on him already, or the various investigations:
1. House
2. Senate
3. FBI/criminal

Want to hear what he says, what develops from further investigations/testimony(s), what he answers-or refuses to answer while under oath.

[jakee 1,498]

normiss

Request denied.

Maybe they'll just subpoena him now.

I'm curious, had anyone even suggested yet that Flynn was at all likely to be charged for fully criminal actions?

Such a request at this point just seems too soon, and too easy. Like putting a giant 'kick me' sign on his back. If investigators were crawling over him already it must be double by now.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 210]

Phil1111

***Request denied.

Maybe they'll just subpoena him now.

Well for sure they will. Either the FBI has the goods on him already, or the various investigations:
1. House
2. Senate
3. FBI/criminal

Want to hear what he says, what develops from further investigations/testimony(s), what he answers-or refuses to answer while under oath.

If they'd have granted him immunity he would have had free reign to spill the beans. Now all you're going to hear is the 5th. Makes me wonder who really doesn't want him talking.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[gowlerk 2,204]

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If they'd have granted him immunity he would have had free reign to spill the beans. Now all you're going to hear is the 5th. Makes me wonder who really doesn't want him talking.

Or it means they have other evidence and don't need to do him any favours at all. Time will tell.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[tkhayes 348]

immunity has wide and various implementations and some immunities can be decided by Congress. But first we would have to define that the immunity is going to be. Then decide whether what he has to say is worth that.

Hopefully Sessions, Manafort, Trump and Nunes are not the people deciding....

[timski 80]

Does he not have a moral AND legal obligation to come forward regardless of "immunity"?

[Phil1111 1,149]

Some unknown government lawyer has already heard Flynn's story. Flynn's lawyer and a government lawyer fully discussed what Flynn was going to testify about. The government lawyer without telling the FBI or any other investigation body the specifics of the testimony decided whether it was worth it, NOW.

The government lawyer won't disclose specifics of the proposed testimony, now or ever. To any prosecution persons. This can also be a negotiation tactic. If the FBI or another investigative body has some of the "goods" on FLynn. But still needs his testimony a deal for some limited prosecution could be tied to the "immunity". i.e. a plea deal, etc.

Its akin to a poker game.

[Phil1111 1,149]

timski

Does he not have a moral AND legal obligation to come forward regardless of "immunity"?

Well presumably as a US general he would have the moral duty. But Flynn's morals have already been established as lacking.

[jakee 1,498]

Phil1111

Some unknown government lawyer has already heard Flynn's story. Flynn's lawyer and a government lawyer fully discussed what Flynn was going to testify about. The government lawyer without telling the FBI or any other investigation body the specifics of the testimony decided whether it was worth it, NOW.

No they haven't. Right now he's not under any obligation to talk to anyone, so he's certainly not going to bother spilling the whole story to any lawyer yet.

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Its akin to a poker game.

It's grandstanding.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Phil1111 1,149]

jakee

***Some unknown government lawyer has already heard Flynn's story. Flynn's lawyer and a government lawyer fully discussed what Flynn was going to testify about. The government lawyer without telling the FBI or any other investigation body the specifics of the testimony decided whether it was worth it, NOW.

No they haven't. Right now he's not under any obligation to talk to anyone, so he's certainly not going to bother spilling the whole story to any lawyer yet.

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Its akin to a poker game.

It's grandstanding.

Flynn's lawyer has released a letter stating that discussions have already been held.

No statements regarding a deal have been made or released.

[airdvr 210]

timski

Does he not have a moral AND legal obligation to come forward regardless of "immunity"?

Haha! You said morals in a sentence about politicians.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[theplummeter 15]

timski

Does he not have a moral AND legal obligation to come forward regardless of "immunity"?

I think you're confusing morality and obligation with political capital. You can't spend if you don't earn.

[billvon 2,998]

>Does he not have a moral AND legal obligation to come forward regardless of
>"immunity"?

So did Haldeman and Erlichmann. But they didn't talk either.

[Royreader8812 0]

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As in the past, though, it won't necessarily be the Russian connection that becomes the big issue - it may well be the coverup that brings him down. Even now, Nunes is looking more and more like he's being manipulated by Trump. And with people saying they will testify in exchange for immunity, there's a lot more to come.

I have been busy with work in the past weeks and have been out of touch on this subject.

Are there any actual 'facts' now to 'prove' Russia, "Hacked" the election?

Accusations are in fact evidence, but evidence is not fact.|

People lie and in politics, more often than not.

What is the real dirt to date?

He said, she said means nothing in this game.

All the guys so certain of their 'accusations' to the media, seem to have their tails between their legs, when being questioned by the likes of Tre Gowdy etc.

[Phil1111 1,149]

Royreader8812

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As in the past, though, it won't necessarily be the Russian connection that becomes the big issue - it may well be the coverup that brings him down. Even now, Nunes is looking more and more like he's being manipulated by Trump. And with people saying they will testify in exchange for immunity, there's a lot more to come.

I have been busy with work in the past weeks and have been out of touch on this subject.

Are there any actual 'facts' now to 'prove' Russia, "Hacked" the election?

Accusations are in fact evidence, but evidence is not fact.|

People lie and in politics, more often than not.

What is the real dirt to date?

He said, she said means nothing in this game.

All the guys so certain of their 'accusations' to the media, seem to have their tails between their legs, when being questioned by the likes of Tre Gowdy etc.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/6/14191002/us-releases-declassified-report-on-russian-hacking

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-election-meddling-20170330-story.html

http://www.politico.eu/article/us-intelligence-chief-russia-interfering-in-french-german-elections/

http://nltimes.nl/2017/03/10/russia-hacking-dutch-election-warm-germany-france-interference-report

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/29/german-spy-chief-russian-hackers-could-disrupt-elections-bruno-kahl-cyber-attacks

[gowlerk 2,204]

Royreader8812

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As in the past, though, it won't necessarily be the Russian connection that becomes the big issue - it may well be the coverup that brings him down. Even now, Nunes is looking more and more like he's being manipulated by Trump. And with people saying they will testify in exchange for immunity, there's a lot more to come.

I have been busy with work in the past weeks and have been out of touch on this subject.

Are there any actual 'facts' now to 'prove' Russia, "Hacked" the election?

Accusations are in fact evidence, but evidence is not fact.|

People lie and in politics, more often than not.

What is the real dirt to date?

He said, she said means nothing in this game.

All the guys so certain of their 'accusations' to the media, seem to have their tails between their legs, when being questioned by the likes of Tre Gowdy etc.

Now that Putin has had everyone in Russia who might provide information about the connection exterminated you come back to push your love of the Motherland? It's nice that your masters gave you some time off while things cooled down a little, and they could consider strategy.

How about if we get together for a skydive soon?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Royreader8812 0]

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http://www.theverge.com/...t-on-russian-hacking

http://www.latimes.com/...-20170330-story.html

http://www.politico.eu/...ch-german-elections/

http://nltimes.nl/...-interference-report

https://www.theguardian.com/...o-kahl-cyber-attacks

LOL, the closest you got there was the first link from January when all this 'Hearsay' began...

There wasn't then nor seemingly since, any facts bought forward..

You might want to learn to distinguish between evidence and fact.

Facts are all I am interested in thanks, you might want to watch these people making these accusations being questioned by Congress etc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnFbEW7J4N8

So listening to what is said in these hearings, and the level of national security breached from within and the lack of reporting on it..

Is it not surprising that tangible facts to prove these accusations have not come forward?

it seems those making the accusations have gone all in, and have broken the law quite seriously to prop up the rhetoric.

I don't think there are facts to prove it, because I simply don't believe these accusations. I am thankful for the structure of the US government because I don't think these guys are going to win and heads will roll because of it.

So please, if you know, because you seem so sure it is true. Please present facts that prove Russia meddles in the election.

I'm sure these guys would appreciate it also... They are trying hard to settle this somehow.

[Royreader8812 0]

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Now that Putin has had everyone in Russia who might provide information about the connection exterminated you come back to push your love of the Motherland? It's nice that your masters gave you some time off while things cooled down a little, and they could consider strategy.

You actually believe that shit huh,in case you have been asleep, your government was just changed and the media are in an outright frenzy trying to convince everyone that this tripe is valid.

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How about if we get together for a skydive soon?

We I don't know about you, but I have been busy jumping hard 143 in March, how about you?

[gowlerk 2,204]

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We I don't know about you, but I have been busy jumping hard 143 in March, how about you?

Only 8 for me. Where can we meet up?


My Canadian government has not changed recently. Although it is not nearly as stable as your Russian kleptocracy is.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Royreader8812 0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIh-CadZweI

Looks like all this bullshit is moving away from whether Russia had anything to do with hacking the election, and onto the fact that the Security departments have broken the law 'BIGTIME' by pushing the propaganda out and it does not look good for the story most of you here seem to believe.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

[gowlerk 2,204]

Royreader8812

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIh-CadZweI

Looks like all this bullshit is moving away from whether Russia had anything to do with hacking the election, and onto the fact that the Security departments have broken the law 'BIGTIME' by pushing the propaganda out and it does not look good for the story most of you here seem to believe.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

That is the direction your cadre of internet trolls has been told to push. But I don't think it's going to work all that well for you or your boss.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.