Tuesday Afternoon Massacre

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

Of course it is a thing!

It is a made up thing the media beats daily.

And the Dems all follow in lock step.

Crazy to watch ....

But you said this Russia thing had nothing to do with the firing of Comey. However Trump says the Russia thing did play a part in it.

Sounds like nobody knows why Comey got fired, since even staunch and unwavering Trump supporters like you can't figure it out.

Of course that creates a problem too. An unrational president firing the director of the FBI for reasons people cannot clearly articulate.

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DJL

***Of course it is a thing!

It is a made up thing the media beats daily.

And the Dems all follow in lock step.

Crazy to watch ....

Looks like a Republican led House and Senate recommending this "not a thing" to move forward and it looks like the media is reporting on news that the FBI has provided to them.

Are we still having trouble with that definition of "fake news"?

Sure!
if they don't the crazy Dems will never let it die as it should.

But when the House and Senate find nothing then the media and the Dems will create a whole new fake story line.
That's not too hard to figure out!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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billvon

>It is a made up story.

So Trump's own words are "a made up story?"

At least you have realized that Trump is fundamentally dishonest.

Here we are at 10 months this Russia thing has been investigated.
The whole thing started when someone became a felon and leaked info on Flynn.

So if there is so much out there, why doesn't this same fellow leak the info from a call that seal the deal?


And there you go putting words in peoples mouths again Bill.

Shame......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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But when the House and Senate find nothing

If you agree that the findings are not yet out, why have you already declared it to be "fake news"?

Are you the same guy who is always on here telling people would should wait until final findings are in before stating opinions?

Aren't you the same guy who agreed with Benghazi investigation after investigation after investigation? And now, now all of a sudden you are labelling things before results are even in?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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The whole thing started when someone became a felon and leaked info on Flynn.

Weird you would think that is where it started? Wouldn't it have started when Flynn acted as a foreign agent without declaring it? Or when Flynn lied to the Vice President? (Assuming that happened and the VP wasn't already aware)

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

SkyDekker

Now trump is on Twitter threatening Comey, threatening to cancel all White House Briefings and that his staff cannot be expected to be accurate.

Seriously, Rush how do you continue to defend this guy?

Has anyone else noticed that he's the only one defending Trump?

While it's entirely possible he's just doing it to be contrarian and argumentative, it is kind of funny that all the other staunch right wing conservatives have fallen silent.
At least in defense of Trump.

There's still a few "Obama did it" or "Clinton did it" comments, but that's about it.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[SkyDekker 1,465]

billvon

>Now trump is on Twitter threatening Comey

With secret tapes.

Yep, nothing like Nixon at all.

I hope he does have tapes, they would be subject to subpoena and would have to be released to the public at some point.

At least with Nixon it was a relative nobody who let it slip during a hearing there were tapes.

This case it is the President himself who announced it.

If there aren't tapes, the President of the United States, for the second time in a week, threatened a private citizen of the US.

[billvon 2,991]

>While it's entirely possible he's just doing it to be contrarian and argumentative, it is kind of funny
>that all the other staunch right wing conservatives have fallen silent. At least in defense of Trump.

Well, there comes a point where one's integrity tends to overcome even a staunch political lean.

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wolfriverjoe

***Now trump is on Twitter threatening Comey, threatening to cancel all White House Briefings and that his staff cannot be expected to be accurate.

Seriously, Rush how do you continue to defend this guy?

Has anyone else noticed that he's the only one defending Trump?

While it's entirely possible he's just doing it to be contrarian and argumentative, it is kind of funny that all the other staunch right wing conservatives have fallen silent.
At least in defense of Trump.

There's still a few "Obama did it" or "Clinton did it" comments, but that's about it.

Why people respond to Rush at all is beyond me... My blood pressure has certainly gone down since I started ignoring his tripe in here.

Like I said in another thread, every single reply of his is a formulaic rehash of about 8 standard retorts, none of which bring anything new to the conversation. That isn't a discussion among adults - it's the blathering of an 8 year old.

You guys realize that you'll NEVER get his to change his opinion, right? He doesn't want a discussion. He doesn't want different sources of information. He's the political equivalent of a religious fundamentalist.

Just ignore him and he'll eventually go away.

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rushmc

***>It is a made up story.

So Trump's own words are "a made up story?"

At least you have realized that Trump is fundamentally dishonest.

Here we are at 10 months this Russia thing has been investigated.
The whole thing started when someone became a felon and leaked info on Flynn.

So if there is so much out there, why doesn't this same fellow leak the info from a call that seal the deal?


And there you go putting words in peoples mouths again Bill.

Shame......

Are you just quoting soundbites again. Trump also says that he wants the probe to be done properly, not that it's a 10 month old dead end.

Here's the whole interview:

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/pres-trump-s-extended-exclusive-interview-with-lester-holt-at-the-white-house-941854787582

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[ryoder 1,590]

yoink

Why people respond to Rush at all is beyond me... My blood pressure has certainly gone down since I started ignoring his tripe in here.

Like I said in another thread, every single reply of his is a formulaic rehash of about 8 standard retorts, none of which bring anything new to the conversation. That isn't a discussion among adults - it's the blathering of an 8 year old.

You guys realize that you'll NEVER get his to change his opinion, right? He doesn't want a discussion. He doesn't want different sources of information. He's the political equivalent of a religious fundamentalist.

Just ignore him and he'll eventually go away.

Agreed.
I have a short list of people on here who I ignore because they have proven again, and again, and again, that they cannot engage in rational, logical discussion. I don't even waste the time reading their posts.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[ryoder 1,590]

Trump Boasts That His Impeachment Will Get Higher TV Ratings Than All Other Impeachments:
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-boasts-that-his-impeachment-will-get-higher-tv-ratings-than-all-other-impeachments

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Phil1111 1,149]

yoink

******Now trump is on Twitter threatening Comey, threatening to cancel all White House Briefings and that his staff cannot be expected to be accurate.

Seriously, Rush how do you continue to defend this guy?

Has anyone else noticed that he's the only one defending Trump?

While it's entirely possible he's just doing it to be contrarian and argumentative, it is kind of funny that all the other staunch right wing conservatives have fallen silent.
At least in defense of Trump.

There's still a few "Obama did it" or "Clinton did it" comments, but that's about it.

Why people respond to Rush at all is beyond me... My blood pressure has certainly gone down since I started ignoring his tripe in here.

Like I said in another thread, every single reply of his is a formulaic rehash of about 8 standard retorts, none of which bring anything new to the conversation. That isn't a discussion among adults - it's the blathering of an 8 year old.

You guys realize that you'll NEVER get his to change his opinion, right? He doesn't want a discussion. He doesn't want different sources of information. He's the political equivalent of a religious fundamentalist.

Just ignore him and he'll eventually go away.

Just ignore him and he'll eventually go away.

I disagree with this. Miracles only occur once every couple thousand years.

Its very difficult for trump supporters to defend him and as his actions become more and more bizarre. Embarrassing to admit you are a trump supporter.

He could have been an agent for change and likely changed the makeup of the supreme court. Fixing the ACA act will be up to congress. Overhauling waste in Washington is now so thoroughly derailed thats its an afterthought.

Be it in France, Great Britain, or the US. A large segment of the population needs to have their positions better represented. Free trade and globalization has made some industries very profitable. At the expense of loosing industries.

trump's actions are destroying any chance of enhancing, overhauling or bettering. Millions of Americans, who voted for him and who deserve protection. Deserve legislation that focuses government, law and taxes to drive jobs in new areas, new industries.

That sets aside of course the damage that all this is doing in an already polarized constituency.

[okalb 104]

yoink

Why people respond to Rush at all is beyond me... My blood pressure has certainly gone down since I started ignoring his tripe in here.

I read his posts because it gives me all of the lunatic fringe talking points in one place. Instead of having to go to Breitbart, Fox, Newsmax and a bunch of other sites, I can come on here, read his posts and get a consolidation of all the talking points. The only problem is often they aren't written in what I would consider to be English. Then again, neither are most of the articles on those sites.

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

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Phil1111

Embarrassing to admit you are a trump supporter.

Only if you're not a political outlier... Not if you honestly and vehemently believe that he can't do any wrong. That's why I made the religious fundamentalist simile with Rush - logic and rationality doesn't have anything to do with opinion.

It's very difficult for people who don't have the same level of blind faith to understand that mindset.

I suspect Rush genuinely thinks that the president is doing fine and that every suggestion otherwise is an outright fabrication, because that suits his world-view. It's like having an argument with someone who just replies 'nope', 'nope' 'nope' to every point you make - whatever it might be... You could construct the most logical, rational, and evidence-supported discussion point in history and the reply would be 'nope'. You just can't beat it. Its irrationality defies any logical contention.


And to be clear - these posts aren't intended as criticism of Ruchmc. He's entitled to his opinion... It's more of a criticism of posters who seem to value rationality and discussion yet continually respond to a lunatic.

Does. Not. Compute.

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okalb

***Why people respond to Rush at all is beyond me... My blood pressure has certainly gone down since I started ignoring his tripe in here.

I read his posts because it gives me all of the lunatic fringe talking points in one place.



There is that.

[normiss 801]

Comey is starting to talk...and he's calling 45 a liar.
Trump asked for the dinner, and Comey never asked about keeping his job, is welcome of any tapes without fear.

Is 45 becoming the new 37?

[tkhayes 348]

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Huh?

It is a made up story.

except for the parts where Manafort and Flynn had contacts with the Russians on dozens of occasions and took money (millions) from them, then lied about it. And knowingly did that while working on the Trump campaign and in national security positions.

And that Trump was SPECIFICALLY warned about Flynn before and after the selection of him to security adviser, and chose to ignore that.

But sure, other than that, yep....it's all made up

You did listen to the statements of undisputed facts given in the testimony of Yates and Clapper right? I watched all of it and the undisputed facts themselves are already very very disturbing if you care at all about a democratic republic and it functioning properly.

Tell me that you watched it all please, or did you just pick up the sound bites you liked from rightwingpatriotconservative.com.....

[ryoder 1,590]

normiss

Comey is starting to talk...and he's calling 45 a liar.
Trump asked for the dinner, and Comey never asked about keeping his job, is welcome of any tapes without fear.

Is 45 becoming the new 37?

Well, it is an insult to the intelligence of 37.
As Bill Maher said:
"Reagan was ignorant, but not vile.
Nixon was vile, but not ignorant.
Trump is both vile, and ignorant."

Nixon:
- Ended the Vietnam war.
- Normalized relations with mainland China.
- Had the last truly balanced budget (side effect of ending the war).

Trump will never approach those accomplishments.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[normiss 801]

He seems to be trying pretty hard to replicate the coverup efforts of 37 though.

[Phil1111 1,149]

ryoder

***Comey is starting to talk...and he's calling 45 a liar.
Trump asked for the dinner, and Comey never asked about keeping his job, is welcome of any tapes without fear.

Is 45 becoming the new 37?

Well, it is an insult to the intelligence of 37.
As Bill Maher said:
"Reagan was ignorant, but not vile.
Nixon was vile, but not ignorant.
Trump is both vile, and ignorant."

Nixon:
- Ended the Vietnam war.
- Normalized relations with mainland China.
- Had the last truly balanced budget (side effect of ending the war).

Trump will never approach those accomplishments.

Reagan may not have the sheer brains of Bill Clinton. Reagan allowed the debt to get out of control.

Ronald Reagan: Added $1.86 trillion, a 186 percent increase from the $998 billion debt at the end of Carter's last budget, FY 1981. See Did Reaganomics Work?
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

He missed the Wikipedia top 1/4 of all US presidents by one place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

I personally liked Reagan because he had superb interpersonal skills. He surrounded himself by excellent people and Nancy was a superb backstop. She was the full equal to Michelle Obama.

The end of the cold war was of course on Regan's watch. Credit to him, is open to debate. But he deserves some.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi Phil,

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In 1973, President Nixon ordered the firing . . .

I'm thinking most of you were not around then; maybe/maybe not, but I was.

Anyone remember how Nixon once considered surrounding the White House with US Marshals to prevent the Senate committee from getting his tapes?

Yup, it is true.

Jerry Baumchen

[yoink 321]

WikiLeaks has offered a $100,000 bounty for the tapes of conversations between Trump and Comey... presumably to employees who might have access to them or to hackers.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/863088282686472192/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Flive%2Fworld-us-canada-39866259

There is also an argument that this would be funding a federal crime.

While hilarious, my gut feel is that this is a REALLY bad way for any investigatory process to be going and would degrade trust in due process.

More and more I'm convinced that the principle of wikileaks is a threat to our society. It can be corrupted too easily.

[aphid 0]

Good afternoon Jerry,

JerryBaumchen

I'm thinking most of you were not around then; maybe/maybe not, but I was.

I was as well.

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Anyone remember how Nixon once considered surrounding the White House with US Marshals to prevent the Senate committee from getting his tapes?

I'm not aware of that. Do you have a citation or source?

Regards,

John

[normiss 801]

In June, 1982, Harold Evans, Watergate grand juror, appearing on a segment of the ABC-TV news show "20/20." said that Watergate Special Prosecutor Leon Jaworski told them that if they indicted Nixon he might "surround the White House with armed forces."

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