Tuesday Afternoon Massacre

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God's will is perfect and changeless

Genesis 6:6

1 Samuel 15:11

Funny thing these two verses disprove the god of Abraham if you are
using the moral argument

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[jakee 1,490]

RonD1120

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Trump is an admitted adulterer, philanderer and sexual predator. He is a proven liar, a proven fraudster, a narcissist and a bully.

Nice Christian values to which you are giving a pass.

God's will is perfect and changeless. Creation is a continuing process. No man can alter God's will or His purpose. Our mission is to get on the path of His will. All the rest are just leaves on the path.

The method is to focus on Christ and lesson to the voice of the Holy Spirit as He speaks to us personally and to stop listening to the voice of the ego illusion.

Sure. Because obviously what you did when Obama was president was realise he was part of god's path and stop worrying about anything he was doing.

Yeah.

Obviously.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Every single thread Ron joins in always devolves into religious sniping.

He cites some tenant of faith and everyone rushes to prove how it's wrongly applied, misquoted, misinterpreted or fallacious, and I'm as guilty of this as anyone.

In the ensuing scuffle any value the thread has is always lost.


I'm not going to bite anymore. My attitude to Ron's faith-based posts from now on is going to be 'It must be nice to be able to think like that'. But that's it. I'm not going to try and convince him he's wrong, and I'm not going to take anything he says into account for my arguments.

I suggest people here all do similar. Just let it wash over you.

[gowlerk 2,193]

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Every single thread Ron joins in always devolves into religious sniping.

He cites some tenant of faith and everyone rushes to prove how it's wrongly applied, misquoted, misinterpreted or fallacious, and I'm as guilty of this as anyone.

In the ensuing scuffle any value the thread has is always lost.


I'm not going to bite anymore. My attitude to Ron's faith-based posts from now on is going to be 'It must be nice to be able to think like that'. But that's it. I'm not going to try and convince him he's wrong, and I'm not going to take anything he says into account for my arguments.

I suggest people here all do similar. Just let it wash over you.

Yes, God does not do politics. Even Jesus said to "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Don't let zealots bring faith into politics.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

***Of course it is a thing!

It is a made up thing the media beats daily.

And the Dems all follow in lock step.

Crazy to watch ....

In a few months time, when Trump has resigned in disgrace and Pence takes over, we will be hearing from Marc that he knew all along that Mike Pence was going to be the President the country needed. And that Trump was always just a stepping stone along the way.

You are having delusional fantasies on many levels in this post

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

Check out the opening of Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace;
Just the section from 1:27 to 2:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LzqDCt3nDI&t=1m27s

Looks like the White House can't depend on Fox News to always serve as it's Propaganda Department.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Phil1111 1,149]

ryoder

Check out the opening of Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace;
Just the section from 1:27 to 2:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LzqDCt3nDI&t=1m27s

Looks like the White House can't depend on Fox News to always serve as it's Propaganda Department.

Shame really, now there will only be RT, Pravda, etc.

That really is a surprising development. Paranoia is not limited to Spicer hiding in bushes outside the WH.

CNN, Fareed Zakaria, GPS had two former CIA, NSA directors on today. IMO those are the smartest US citizens regarding international Geo-politics.

One stated that Russia has more people employed in "framing" politics in foreign governments than it does military personnel.

Which suggests a expanded CIA/NSA budget and one less Ford class carrier battle group. Should be the focus of a new budget.

As a side note. SNL had a good skit on trump last night. There was another risque joke about trump. Not in the same league as the C**kholster one. But i was surprised none the less. IMO the slippery slope of lack of respect, is accelerating.

[ryoder 1,590]

A lot of good Trump material on SNL last night, but I'll bet you are referencing 2:45 of the cold open: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBPt335vcAQ

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,027]

ryoder

A lot of good Trump material on SNL last night, but I'll bet you are referencing 2:45 of the cold open: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBPt335vcAQ

Hilarious, and sad at the same time.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[ryoder 1,590]

kallend

***A lot of good Trump material on SNL last night, but I'll bet you are referencing 2:45 of the cold open: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBPt335vcAQ

Hilarious, and sad at the same time.

And for the English perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTT7mcMshOI

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[tkhayes 348]

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And for the English perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTT7mcMshOI

That is worth bookmarking for review some 20 years from now....

[Phil1111 1,149]

How about 2 years from now.

About 1/2 hour on his other you-tube comments were similarly funny and accurate.

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tkhayes

The Russian meddling is a fact, confirmed by Yates/Clappers testimony the other day. As well as a dozen other sources at least and pretty much every investigative and intelligence agency in the country. What is being further investigated is whether or not there are ties to that, money and people involved with campaigns and secure positions within the govt.

You did listen to Yates and Clappers testimony right? Please tell us that you actually did before you comment on what is and is not a 'fact'.

I will even provide you with a link. https://www.c-span.org/video/?427577-1/white-house-warned-general-flynn-compromised

What they revealed as fact, under oath, is already disturbing and certainly warrants further investigation. I am pretty sure you got your news from a couple selected sound bites off a click-bait site then.

Well let me state my point more clearly...I do believe Russian meddling is and was occurring. However the collusion of officials from a campaign are mostly fabricated. It's more about the seriousness of the charge even if a lie than actual facts. It is this lie, of collusions that the DNC have hung their hats on and after more than 9 months and millions of dollars later they still have shit to show for it.

As for a special prosecutor the Dems are demanding...I guess they have lost faith in themselves if they truly possess such a thing, in their ability as law makers to exercise their constitutional duties. With a committee established in the Senate, House and the FBI they can't seem to do their F'ing jobs to investigate claims that someone and or individuals did something illegal or wrong.

It is evident that the Media is the primary propaganda arm for the Democratic party. Damn, they don't even hide it. They coordinate their efforts in talking points that the Dem / DNC pickup in their daily emails: EXAMPLE from last Thursday...

Chris Cuomo, "Trump White House is facing a major credibility crisis!"

David Chalian: with a loud voice..."What we have here now is a White House in a crisis of credibility!"

Josh Earnest: "...a self-inflicted crisis, and there is a yawning credibility gap."

Athena Jones: "this suggests a real crisis of credibility."

Brooke Baldwin: "It's a crisis of credibility here."

David Muir: "What about credibility here?"

The Chucky Schumer is on with CNN Sunday morning...Jake Tapper sets him up with a prearrange question just to ensure he is ready for it. Its just like clock work Chuck spills it out right from his pre-typed talking points he received and discussed through-out his party....

Schumer: "there's a crisis of credibility with the president"

So simply put...it is a fabricated story nothing more. Just need to open your eyes and ears and maybe you might see the lie before you, its not the Russians or collusion, but a scheme with the hopes of taking down a President.

[billvon 2,991]

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Well let me state my point more clearly...I do believe Russian meddling is and was occurring. However the collusion of officials from a campaign are mostly fabricated.

Agreed. However, much of it has NOT been fabricated, and Trump refuses to come clean on the details. He recently released a letter from his attorneys stating that the Russians have given him over $10 million, for example, but they mentioned it may have been far more. And since he publicly asked Russia for assistance in "finding missing emails" - and promised they would be rewarded - we have hard proof that he asked Russia to do what they did. Thus there is certainly cause for an investigation into how close the collusion was.

However, this is no longer primarily about the collusion between Trump and Russia. It is now about Trump's attempt to close the investigation by firing Comey, something he has now admitted. Recall that Nixon didn't go down for the breakin, he went down for his firing the investigator because he was getting too close to the truth.

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So simply put...it is a fabricated story nothing more.

Far from a fabricated story - and the most damning evidence has not come from the evil liberals, but from Trump himself.

[tkhayes 348]

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However the collusion of officials from a campaign are mostly fabricated.

The collusion of officials from a campaign is yet to be determined....hence why we do things called 'investigations'.

And knock it off with the media thing. media this media that. The media is the reason that Trump won the election, he got 600 times the airplay of everyone else. No trump supporters are complaining about that.....

Tired of the media idea that somehow everything you do and I do is controlled by the media. The right wing has media too. It's an old argument and I am pretty tired of it.

The crisis of credibility comes out of the possibility of the russian meddling actually being a collaborative event, not because of MSNBC reporting that it might be.

And credibility actually matters. It is what drives the stock market and a large part of the economy every single day. you blow it off like credibility has nothing to do with anything. It is ABSOLUTELY important when dealing with the leader of the free world.

Name a company in the S&P 500 that has lost its 'credibility'.....

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There is a real issue of Russia meddling in our election and Trump is doing more to harm that investigation by interjecting his ego into the affair.

He is fucking clueless: Headline: Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[Channman 2]

The stock market is doing quite well....Huge and Bigly are two words that come to mind.

[tkhayes 348]

I never said the stock market was doing poorly. I said that credibility is a major factor in the success of any company on the stock market.

Which is contrary to your suggestion that somehow credibility isn't actually important

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tkhayes

I never said the stock market was doing poorly. I said that credibility is a major factor in the success of any company on the stock market.

Which is contrary to your suggestion that somehow credibility isn't actually important

It was not my intention to somehow say credibility is not important. I was giving examples of actual quotes by media that where giving the same talking point on the nightly news. They where coordinating with each other and the DNC to convey a naritive wholly made up.

[tkhayes 348]

That's not actually collusion, that's reporting the same information, which is what we often look for when we're trying to see if news is fake or not, multiple sources.

For example let's say in 18 months from now Trump gets impeached.

I'm willing to bet CNN report something like "Trump gets impeached"

And MSNBC says something like "Trump gets impeached"

Etc.

[billvon 2,991]

>For example let's say in 18 months from now Trump gets impeached.
>I'm willing to bet CNN report something like "Trump gets impeached"
>And MSNBC says something like "Trump gets impeached"

To that end:

I took a look at the various news outlets shortly after the story about Trump's leaks to Russia. The top stories on several news outlets:

CNN top story: Report - Trump shared classified info with Russians

NPR top story: Report - Trump Gave Classified Information To Russians During White House Visit

Wall Street Journal top story: White House Denies Trump Gave Classified Information to Russian Officials

FOX top story: BACK IN THE POLITICAL SPOTLIGHT Clinton launches Onward Together PAC, calls on members to 'resist.' Could a probe of Hillary's email server be reopened?

Gotta give them credit for trying to hide Trump's misdeeds.

[Phil1111 1,149]

Fox News Headline:

Newt Gingrich: Trump owes the news media nothing

Note: I wrote this before the latest despicable, dishonest smearing of the President, but that incident simplify magnifies my case.
This simply reinforces the following, which I wrote earlier today.

After almost four months of watching the news media’s unending dishonesty, hostility, and contempt toward the Trump administration, it is time to have a blunt conversation.

The President owes Americans the defense of the United States Constitution.

The President owes the American people a sound job as commander in chief, protecting the country.

The President owes the American people a dramatically stronger economy with more jobs, better take home pay, and increased opportunities for investment growth; which will help people prepare for retirement, strengthen pension funds, and guarantee Social Security’s solvency.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/15/newt-gingrich-trump-owes-news-media-nothing.html

Fox is a disgrace.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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No one else is interested in the fake news.

Says the guy who follows an imaginary person.
Says the guy who is looking for the womb of virgo to rise through some other star to predict the end of the world.

You wouldn't know reality if it smacked you in the face.

[billvon 2,991]

And your one warning. Cut it out.

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Phil1111

Fox News Headline:

Newt Gingrich: Trump owes the news media nothing

Fox is a disgrace.

I actually agree with parts of that editorial.

I think the function of the press should be to relate news with clarity to the public, but he's right when he's said that the 'scoring of points' mentality has been getting worse for some time, and I think that detracts from the quality of the reporting.

Minor errors in words when the intent is clear isn't news. It shouldn't be reported as a huge deal. Deliberately setting out to trap the person being interviewed is not conducive to telling the right story that is really in the public interest.

This type of reporting necessarily forces outlets to take sides - those deliberately seeking the 'gotcha' moments, and those that feel the need to defend when they happen. In the middle of it the more important news is lost in the noise.