Here is a reason the Man Made Global Warming Crowd needs to move so fast.

[billvon 2,997]

>Who is really OK with no rules against polluting?

I am sure they would say "I am certainly not for pollution! I just think we have too many job-killing regulations. Just repeal the bad ones and keep the good ones." Then, of course, they support any and all repeals of EPA regulations. After all, it would take between five and twenty years for any repeal of regulations to significantly increase risk to human life; by that time someone else will be in office and they can blame them for anything that goes wrong.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

fasted3

The crafty ones are the guys that created an army of brain dead zombies that don't care about facts or reality.
The guys that are writing U.S. policy right now, for all of us.
Who is really OK with no rules against polluting?
Selling off or drilling and mining in national parks and monuments?
Working against renewable energy?
And on and on...
What a fucking nightmare.

Coal Companies.
Oil Companies.
Mining Companies.
Paper Companies.
Dry Cleaners (really).
Metal Finishing Companies (places that do plating or anodizing).
Car Repair Shops.

The list is pretty long.

Take a look at all of the EPA Superfund cleanup sites. A guy I recently met at the DZ is in the area for a while, cleaning up an old Tecumseh engine plant. They made small engines there for a long time, and left a hell of a mess.

All those places profited from a complete lack of pollution regulations.
They made a ton of money, then abandoned places that were extremely toxic.

When it's cheaper to make a mess and leave it than it is to properly dispose of hazardous pollutants, some people will take the profit and to hell with the rest of the world.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[SkyDekker 1,465]

fasted3

The crafty ones are the guys that created an army of brain dead zombies that don't care about facts or reality.
The guys that are writing U.S. policy right now, for all of us.
Who is really OK with no rules against polluting?
Selling off or drilling and mining in national parks and monuments?
Working against renewable energy?
And on and on...
What a fucking nightmare.

Ask the people of Houston how a lack of zoning regulations has helped them.

[RonD1120 62]

I don't like these scientific debates, not my field. But, it looks to me as though the scientific community is backpedaling into reality. Namely, man had no control over the world's, nature's weather.

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Scientist and astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson said Sunday that, in the wake of devastating floods and damage caused by Hurricanes Harvey and Irma, climate change had become so severe that the country "might not be able to recover."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/17/us/neil-degrasse-tyson-on-climate-change-cnntv/index.html

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[gowlerk 2,198]

RonD1120

I don't like these scientific debates, not my field. But, it looks to me as though the scientific community is backpedaling into reality. Namely, man had no control over the world's, nature's weather.

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Scientist and astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson said Sunday that, in the wake of devastating floods and damage caused by Hurricanes Harvey and Irma, climate change had become so severe that the country "might not be able to recover."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/17/us/neil-degrasse-tyson-on-climate-change-cnntv/index.html

The far more relevant quote from the article, and the point of what the man is saying is this:

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Tyson said he was gravely concerned that by engaging in debates over the existence of climate change, as opposed to discussions on how best to tackle it, the country was wasting valuable time and resources.

Because there is no real scientific debate. There is only a political debate, and even then there is largely only any debate at all in America.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[DJL 235]

RonD1120

I don't like these scientific debates, not my field. But, it looks to me as though the scientific community is backpedaling into reality. Namely, man had no control over the world's, nature's weather.

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Scientist and astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson said Sunday that, in the wake of devastating floods and damage caused by Hurricanes Harvey and Irma, climate change had become so severe that the country "might not be able to recover."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/17/us/neil-degrasse-tyson-on-climate-change-cnntv/index.html

I don't know how you got "backpedaling" out of that. Please explain.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[billvon 2,997]

>I don't like these scientific debates, not my field. But, it looks to me as though the
>scientific community is backpedaling into reality.

That statement was not backpedaling. Several scientists have been saying that for years.

>Namely, man had no control over the world's, nature's weather.

Actually he said the opposite. Did you read the article? He said that climate science was a "whole system of people's research all leaning in the same direction, all pointing to the same consequences. That's what we have with climate change, as induced by human conduct."

"Climate change as induced by human conduct" is the opposite of "man has no control over nature's weather."

[DJL 235]

To continue for Ron, the entire point of the article is that we need to stop debating the political aspects of this issue. It's absolutely ridiculous that people in this country trust the our most sensitive issues to the scientific community yet this ONE item continues to be divisive within the political sphere.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[CygnusX-1 43]

DJL

***I don't like these scientific debates, not my field. But, it looks to me as though the scientific community is backpedaling into reality. Namely, man had no control over the world's, nature's weather.

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Scientist and astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson said Sunday that, in the wake of devastating floods and damage caused by Hurricanes Harvey and Irma, climate change had become so severe that the country "might not be able to recover."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/17/us/neil-degrasse-tyson-on-climate-change-cnntv/index.html

I don't know how you got "backpedaling" out of that. Please explain.

Oh come on, it is plainly obvious that this is backpedaling. But if I have to walk you through it...

Tyson said, "might not be able to recover."

That is backpedaling from "won't be able to recover."

And if a few years it will become "might be able to recover."

Followed by "recovery is possible"

And finally "recovery in process"

You see. It is a matter of how you look at the statements. And besides, this whole climate change is all just a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.

[DJL 235]

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You see. It is a matter of how you look at the statements. And besides, this whole climate change is all just a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.

Sneaky fuckers.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[Phil1111 1,149]

Elon Musk says he can rebuild Puerto Rico's power grid with solar
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41524220

[billvon 2,997]

>Elon Musk says he can rebuild Puerto Rico's power grid with solar

It should be noted that the more important part of such a project is the establishment of microgrids, rather than the generation source. Generation could be diesel, or solar, or wind, or hydro (there's about 3GW potential hydro in Puerto Rico due to its topography and rainfall.) But it's the microgrid (intelligence+storage) that give you resilience during storms.

[AlanS 1]

billvon

>Elon Musk says he can rebuild Puerto Rico's power grid with solar

It should be noted that the more important part of such a project is the establishment of microgrids, rather than the generation source. Generation could be diesel, or solar, or wind, or hydro (there's about 3GW potential hydro in Puerto Rico due to its topography and rainfall.) But it's the microgrid (intelligence+storage) that give you resilience during storms.

Agree. It is isn't just Puerto Rico that would benefit from decentralized power distribution. California and the entire US would too. It seems that many utility companies are getting in the way of that.

[rushmc 23]

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The greatest scam being perpetrated against taxpayers and consumers is renewable energy, according to a new analysis published by the Australian, greater even than Ponzi, Madoff and Enron.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/09/report-renewable-energy-is-bigger-scam-than-bernie-madoff-and-enron/

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One of the more pernicious side-effects of the enormous government subsidies for renewable energy, Conca found, is that they actually increase the cost of energy. This cost, however, is transferred from the energy consumer to the taxpayer, “and so goes unnoticed by most Americans,” he stated.

Oh so true.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,997]

>http://www.breitbart.com/

Thanks for the morning laugh!

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>http://www.breitbart.com/

Thanks for the morning laugh!

And yet, while you laugh (supposedly) more and more people learn and understand the deception you push here on nearly a daily basis.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,997]

>And yet, while you laugh (supposedly)

How can you not? It's Breitbart. Some other comic gems from them:

Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler, renegade Jew
Pro-Nazi roots of Planned Parenthood revealed
The solution to online "harassment" is simple - women should log off
Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy
There's no hiring bias against women in tech, they just suck at interviews
Huma Abedin "most likely a Saudi spy" with "deep, inarguable connections" to "global terrorist entity"

(Of course, you probably take them seriously, too.)

[rushmc 23]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/10/delingpole-man-made-climate-catastrophe-is-a-myth-more-studies-confirm/

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Let’s get something absolutely clear about this global warming debate. (I may have mentioned this before but it’s worth restating). Anyone at this late stage who is still on the alarmist side of the argument is either a liar, a cheat, a crook, a scamster, an incompetent, a dullard, a time-server, a charlatan or someone so monumentally stupid that they really should be banned by law from having an opinion on any subject whatsoever.

And that’s just the scientists.

The parasitic industry profiting from all that junk-science nonsense the alarmists keep pumping into the ether is even worse.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>And yet, while you laugh (supposedly)

How can you not? It's Breitbart. Some other comic gems from them:

Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler, renegade Jew
Pro-Nazi roots of Planned Parenthood revealed
The solution to online "harassment" is simple - women should log off
Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy
There's no hiring bias against women in tech, they just suck at interviews
Huma Abedin "most likely a Saudi spy" with "deep, inarguable connections" to "global terrorist entity"

(Of course, you probably take them seriously, too.)

You see everyone, Bill needs to go after the messenger because the message can not be debunked.

It would be interesting to see what web site feeds him lists like these (and I bet many of them have context questions, but in any event).

Just know my goal is not to engage Bill as that is a waste of time.
He is too buried in this myth (or religion) to see truth anymore.

Just read on your own. Sites like I link conglomerate news making it easier to find. (something that really pisses the left off. They have these sites too but they are so radical they rarely link to them anymore).

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This is what happened after that bombshell paper released in Nature Geoscience last month by leading climate alarmists including Oxford University’s Myles Allen. Buried beneath its misleading and dull abstract was an extraordinary admission: that their computer models had wildly overestimated the effects of carbon dioxide on global warming.

Which in turn means, of course, that the entire AGW scare (which relies above all else on those computer models) is bunk and that really – “Big Mac meal with Coke, 5 chicken select, curry dip and two large teas, thanks Myles” – it’s about time these taxpayer-funded Chicken Littles did something useful with their lives for a change.

But when journalists pointed this out, the alarmists responded by attacking the journalists, supposedly for having misrepresented their paper. Yeah right. Look guys, if a dodgy company – say Enron Inc – releases its annual report with a summary that says: “Good news. Our profits are up again and our prospects are better than ever” but on closer examination of the company accounts this turns out to be drivel, it is not the job of journalists to report that rosy executive summary, however much Enron/Global Warming Inc might prefer it.

A link to 58 papers that question man made global warming.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/06/delingpole-global-warming-is-myth-58-scientific-papers-2017/


Caught in their lies (Bill, did you link this story?)

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Just one brief example. The other week, the British press was chock full of stories about this incredible advance which had been made in the offshore wind turbine industry whereby costs had fallen so markedly that suddenly those sea-based bat-chomping, bird-slicing, whale-killing eco-crucifixes were more competitive than ever before. There was barely a newspaper that didn’t fall for this “good news” propaganda story.

The story had been heavily promoted by a number of vested interests: a “coalition of companies and civil society organisations” (including Dong Energy, GE, ScottishPower Renewables, Siemens Gamesa, SSE, Vattenfall, Greenpeace, Marine Conservation Society, and WWF.”

Look at that list and marvel and the range and influence and financial muscle of those co-conspirators. Mighty, global NGOs and vast industrial conglomerates with a combined income running into the many billions. Environmentalism is not some gentle, bunny-hugging Mom and Pop operation. It’s a ginormous, many tentacled, spectacularly greedy and corrupt Green Blob.

And guess what? That story – repeated unquestioningly by the MSM, crowed about by the BBC – was horse shit. Actually, it was worse than that: it was fox shit, which – as anyone who has smelt it will know – is an altogether more noisome, pungent, vile substance.

Now the Global Warming Policy Foundation has reported these liars to the Advertising Standards Authority.

https://www.thegwpf.com/gwpf-lodges-asa-complaint-over-false-claims-in-offshore-wind-campaign/

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GWPF Lodges ASA Complaint Over False Claims In Offshore Wind Campaign
Date: 06/10/17

Press Release, Global Warming Policy Forum

London, 6 October: The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF) has lodged a formal complaint with the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) concerning the current poster campaign for offshore wind at Westminster tube station.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,997]

Your grasp of the science of climate change is about as comprehensive as your understanding of how silencers work.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

Your grasp of the science of climate change is about as comprehensive as your understanding of how silencers work.

Claims of our moderato.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Phil1111 1,149]

rushmc

***Your grasp of the science of climate change is about as comprehensive as your understanding of how silencers work.

Claims of our moderato.....

Well according to you they are both all about heat!

[billvon 2,997]

>Claims of our moderato.....

Domo arigato.

[jakee 1,497]

rushmc

The story had been heavily promoted by a number of vested interests: a “coalition of companies and civil society organisations” (including Dong Energy, GE, ScottishPower Renewables, Siemens Gamesa, SSE, Vattenfall, Greenpeace, Marine Conservation Society, and WWF.”

Look at that list and marvel and the range and influence and financial muscle of those co-conspirators. Mighty, global NGOs and vast industrial conglomerates with a combined income running into the many billions. Environmentalism is not some gentle, bunny-hugging Mom and Pop operation. It’s a ginormous, many tentacled, spectacularly greedy and corrupt Green Blob.

Environmentalism is bad because some wealthy companies support it? Then climate sceptics must be so much worse! By the way, any evidence there of the spectaular greed and corruption?

See, this is why everyone laughs at you when you link to Breitbart and claim it's reputable - they repost a story from somewhere else and add layer upon layer upon layer of unsubstantiated, batshit crazy editorialising, you don't bother reading the original story and simply assume that the batshit crazy stuff is a legit restatement of what was in it. And it almost never is.

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Now the Global Warming Policy Foundation has reported these liars to the Advertising Standards Authority.

https://www.thegwpf.com/gwpf-lodges-asa-complaint-over-false-claims-in-offshore-wind-campaign/

Hmm, a think tank that exists for the stated purpose of spreading biased, anti-AGW information? And they've reported to the ASA an ad campaign funded by pro-AGW organisations? Not a huge surprise, is it? Since you like to wait for all the facts* before jumping to a conclusion, don't you want to wait for the claim to actually be investigated by the ASA before deciding whether it means anything?


* Just kidding. I know your standards don't apply to you.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kallend 2,027]

rushmc

breitbart.com

Our regular weekly reminder that he has no credibility and great gullibility

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