Trump supporters offended by the Declaration of Independence

[billvon 2,990]

NPR, as it does every year, sent out a copy of the Declaration of Independence to celebrate the Fourth of July. This year it did it in a series of tweets.

Trump supporters were offended.

NPR: "241 years ago today, church bells rang out over Philadelphia as the Declaration of Independence was adopted."
Trumpie: "@NPR DEFUND #NPR let the Hollywood Elites pay for your biased propaganda"

NPR: "it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,"
Trumpie: "@NPR So, NPR is calling for revolution. Interesting way to condone the violence while trying to sound "patriotic". Your implications are clear."
Trumpie: "Glad you are being defunded. You have never been balanced on your show."

NPR: "He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers."
Trumpie: "@NPR Horsechit"
Trumpie: "Are you drunk? Your silly tweets make your state of mind questionable."

NPR: "and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation."
Trumpie: "Yes. NPR, journalists with a 'mission.' "

Trumpie: "Seriously, this is the dumbest idea I have ever seen on Twitter. Literally no one is going to read 5000 tweets about this trash."

Trumpie: "Propaganda is that all you know how? Try supporting a man who wants to do something about the Injustice in this country. #Draintheswamp"


Reason #17 you know the guy you support is in deep trouble - the Declaration of Independence makes you very, very uncomfortable.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

NPR, as it does every year, sent out a copy of the Declaration of Independence to celebrate the Fourth of July. This year it did it in a series of tweets.

Trump supporters were offended.

NPR: "241 years ago today, church bells rang out over Philadelphia as the Declaration of Independence was adopted."
Trumpie: "@NPR DEFUND #NPR let the Hollywood Elites pay for your biased propaganda"

NPR: "it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,"
Trumpie: "@NPR So, NPR is calling for revolution. Interesting way to condone the violence while trying to sound "patriotic". Your implications are clear."
Trumpie: "Glad you are being defunded. You have never been balanced on your show."

NPR: "He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers."
Trumpie: "@NPR Horsechit"
Trumpie: "Are you drunk? Your silly tweets make your state of mind questionable."

NPR: "and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation."
Trumpie: "Yes. NPR, journalists with a 'mission.' "

Trumpie: "Seriously, this is the dumbest idea I have ever seen on Twitter. Literally no one is going to read 5000 tweets about this trash."

Trumpie: "Propaganda is that all you know how? Try supporting a man who wants to do something about the Injustice in this country. #Draintheswamp"


Reason #17 you know the guy you support is in deep trouble - the Declaration of Independence makes you very, very uncomfortable.

could the tweeter be some of the 17 million fake CNN follower accounts?

You will jump at anything I guess now.

I guess that is what desperation does to a person....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

funny

this report on the topic says nothing about Trump supporters.


Did you make that up?

[url]https://www.circa.com/story/2017/07/05/nation/npr-triggered-backlash-by-tweeting-the-declaration-of-independence[email]

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,990]

>this report on the topic says nothing about Trump supporters.

Right. Because a tweet about "Try supporting a man who wants to do something about the Injustice in this country. #Draintheswamp" has nothing to do with Trump.

I guess it's what you have to expect when the least-educated minority in the US gets the president they want.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>this report on the topic says nothing about Trump supporters.

Right. Because a tweet about "Try supporting a man who wants to do something about the Injustice in this country. #Draintheswamp" has nothing to do with Trump.

I guess it's what you have to expect when the least-educated minority in the US gets the president they want.

Oooooo
No an Amazon like general insult.


I could pick a twitter name of #smarterthaneveryone. Would you then call me a Hillary supporter?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,990]

>No an Amazon like general insult.

Nope, just a fact. Besides, isn't the right wing proud that they aren't "clueless ivory tower intellectuals?"

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Nov. 22, 2016 at 2:53 PM
Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump

By Nate Silver

Sometimes statistical analysis is tricky, and sometimes a finding just jumps off the page. Here’s one example of the latter.

I took a list of all 981 U.S. counties with 50,000 or more people and sorted it by the share of the population3 that had completed at least a four-year college degree. Hillary Clinton improved on President Obama’s 2012 performance in 48 of the country’s 50 most-well-educated counties. And on average, she improved on Obama’s margin of victory in these countries by almost 9 percentage points, even though Obama had done pretty well in them to begin with. . . .

Now here’s the opposite list: The 50 counties (minimum population of 50,000) where the smallest share of the population has bachelor’s degrees: . . .

These results are every bit as striking: Clinton lost ground relative to Obama in 47 of the 50 counties — she did an average of 11 percentage points worse, in fact. These are really the places that won Donald Trump the presidency, especially given that a fair number of them are in swing states such as Ohio and North Carolina.

. . .

In short, it appears as though educational levels are the critical factor in predicting shifts in the vote between 2012 and 2016. You can come to that conclusion with a relatively simple analysis, like the one I’ve conducted above, or by using fancier methods. In a regression analysis at the county level, for instance, lower-income counties were no more likely to shift to Trump once you control for education levels.11 And although there’s more work to be done, these conclusions also appear to hold if you examine the data at a more granular level, like by precinct or among individual voters in panel surveys.
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Why Does Education Translate to Less Support for Donald Trump?

Toni Monkovic @Monkovic
NYT NOV. 1, 2016

It’s probably the biggest demographic story of this election: Hillary Clinton has made big gains with well-educated whites, particularly women. And Donald J. Trump has continued recent Republican gains in winning over less educated whites, particularly men. As Nate Cohn wrote in an article last month, education has replaced the culture wars as the defining electoral divide.
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[rushmc 23]

billvon

>No an Amazon like general insult.

Nope, just a fact. Besides, isn't the right wing proud that they aren't "clueless ivory tower intellectuals?"

==============
Nov. 22, 2016 at 2:53 PM
Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump

By Nate Silver

Sometimes statistical analysis is tricky, and sometimes a finding just jumps off the page. Here’s one example of the latter.

I took a list of all 981 U.S. counties with 50,000 or more people and sorted it by the share of the population3 that had completed at least a four-year college degree. Hillary Clinton improved on President Obama’s 2012 performance in 48 of the country’s 50 most-well-educated counties. And on average, she improved on Obama’s margin of victory in these countries by almost 9 percentage points, even though Obama had done pretty well in them to begin with. . . .

Now here’s the opposite list: The 50 counties (minimum population of 50,000) where the smallest share of the population has bachelor’s degrees: . . .

These results are every bit as striking: Clinton lost ground relative to Obama in 47 of the 50 counties — she did an average of 11 percentage points worse, in fact. These are really the places that won Donald Trump the presidency, especially given that a fair number of them are in swing states such as Ohio and North Carolina.

. . .

In short, it appears as though educational levels are the critical factor in predicting shifts in the vote between 2012 and 2016. You can come to that conclusion with a relatively simple analysis, like the one I’ve conducted above, or by using fancier methods. In a regression analysis at the county level, for instance, lower-income counties were no more likely to shift to Trump once you control for education levels.11 And although there’s more work to be done, these conclusions also appear to hold if you examine the data at a more granular level, like by precinct or among individual voters in panel surveys.
======================
Why Does Education Translate to Less Support for Donald Trump?

Toni Monkovic @Monkovic
NYT NOV. 1, 2016

It’s probably the biggest demographic story of this election: Hillary Clinton has made big gains with well-educated whites, particularly women. And Donald J. Trump has continued recent Republican gains in winning over less educated whites, particularly men. As Nate Cohn wrote in an article last month, education has replaced the culture wars as the defining electoral divide.
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Yep another continuing make up theme

You are getting good at recognizing fake news and using it for your benefit (you think)

How about these?

they counter your bull shit

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Coverage of 2016’s bizarre primary season has painted the stereotypical Donald Trump supporter as white, working class, and uneducated. Trump’s popularity with that demographic led some early pundits to dismiss his candidacy, as there simply aren’t enough such voters to propel a candidate to victory.

But an analysis of exit poll data by FiveThirtyEight finds that Trump voters have higher median household incomes than the typical American, and higher education levels too.

https://qz.com/679589/trump-voters-earn-more-and-are-better-educated-than-the-typical-american/

Keep trying

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Rush,

Bill's post specifically indicates 4 year college degrees.

The link to the article you posted contained a link to the source article, which only speaks to college degrees, which in all likelihood includes 2 year degrees.

So, no without further data, that article doesn't counter it.

But, that would have required you to read and understand beyond 5 words....

[billvon 2,990]

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they counter your bull shit

"Coverage of 2016’s bizarre primary season has painted the stereotypical Donald Trump supporter as white, working class, and uneducated. Trump’s popularity with that demographic led some early pundits to dismiss his candidacy, as there simply aren’t enough such voters to propel a candidate to victory.

But an analysis of exit poll data by FiveThirtyEight finds that Trump voters have higher median household incomes than the typical American, and higher education levels too."

Once again the very study you post proves you wrong.

"What’s more, Silver found that 44% of Trump voters have college undergraduate degrees."

Per the same exit polls, 52% of Clinton voters have college undergraduate degrees.

"Overall, however, Clinton won voters with a college degree (52 percent)"
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2016/11/18/educational-rift-in-2016-election/

So most Clinton voters have a college degree; most Trump voters do not - from the very article you posted.

You really should read the articles before you post them. You are self-countering your own BS.

[billvon 2,990]

One Trump supporter was decent enough to apologize, but asked an odd question:

"I Tweeted a VERY dumb comment. But ask yourselves; if read to the average American, would they know that you were reading the DOI?"

It would be interesting to poll average Americans vs. Trump supporters and see which of the two groups could recognize the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

[JerryBaumchen 1,357]

Hi Bill,

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You really should read the articles before you post them.

I have posted similar things regarding his reading his own articles. I have concluded that it is a total waste of bandwidth.

He is rushmc, 'nuff said.

Jerry Baumchen

[kallend 2,026]

I love the way your posts confirm Bill's thesis.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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But an analysis of exit poll data by FiveThirtyEight finds that Trump voters have higher median household incomes than the typical American, and higher education levels too."

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Yes dig deeper and show us some more how you don't understand what you are reading!

[normiss 798]

Nah, he goes quiet when caught in the corner with no defense.
Whattsupwiththat?

[billvon 2,990]

>But an analysis of exit poll data by FiveThirtyEight finds that Trump voters have
>higher median household incomes than the typical American, and higher education
>levels too."

From the same article:

"What’s more, Silver found that 44% of Trump voters have college undergraduate degrees."

Per the same exit polls, 52% of Clinton voters have college undergraduate degrees.

"Overall, however, Clinton won voters with a college degree (52 percent)"

You have once again swallowed right wing fake news hook, line and sinker, without ever reading past the first paragraph. However, given their low education levels, I have no doubt the authors will be able to fool most Trump supporters.

[correeceo 0]

rushmc

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But an analysis of exit poll data by FiveThirtyEight finds that Trump voters have higher median household incomes than the typical American, and higher education levels too."

This is true, and while Clinton supporters have more undergraduate college degrees, Trump supporters still make more money.

I wonder which group has more post-graduate degrees?

Up next:
Which side has the most combined inches of penis?

[jakee 1,489]

rushmc

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But an analysis of exit poll data by FiveThirtyEight finds that Trump voters have higher median household incomes than the typical American, and higher education levels too."

That means that the average Trump supporter is better educated than the average non-voter. But the average Clinton supporter is still better educated than the average Trump supporter, and Trump did much better out of the un-educated than Clinton.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 798]

Yet overall, Clinton still outperformed and did millions better than he did on all voters.
I would like to think that means there are more smart people, but daily life tells me otherwise....

[riggerrob 643]

Sorry SkyDekker,
But you are confusing American terminology with the Queen's English (as spoken in Canada).
Americans generally refer to any post-secondary education as "college."

OTOH Canadians refer to "college" as two-year programs at community colleges or technical colleges. We refer to three or four year degrees from universities as "Bachelors' Degrees."

[correeceo 0]

jakee

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But an analysis of exit poll data by FiveThirtyEight finds that Trump voters have higher median household incomes than the typical American, and higher education levels too."

That means that the average Trump supporter is better educated than the average non-voter.

No, it means that Trump voters make more money and have a higher education level than the national average.

jakee

But the average Clinton supporter is still better educated than the average Trump supporter

It is true that Clinton had more votes from those with undergraduate degrees, but what are the numbers for those with post-graduate degrees?

Regardless tho, this country has been loaning 50k+ for education to whoever the hell wants it for the last 20+ years or so. Now they're struggling for a good job and over their heads in debt - no shit they're gonna have a tendency to vote liberal.

But the fact remains that Trump voters still make way more money than Clinton voters - about 12k more per year. College degrees are demonstrably overrated, indeed. . .

. . .You might as well waste time polling which group has the most combined inches of penis.

[correeceo 0]

jakee

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But an analysis of exit poll data by FiveThirtyEight finds that Trump voters have higher median household incomes than the typical American, and higher education levels too."

That means that the average Trump supporter is better educated than the average non-voter.

I was under the impression that it meant Trump voters tend to make more money and have a higher education level than the national average?

jakee

But the average Clinton supporter is still better educated than the average Trump supporter

It's true that Clinton had more votes from those with undergraduate degrees, but what are the numbers for those with post-graduate degrees?

Regardless tho, college degrees are demonstrably overrated these days. This country has been loaning 50k+ for education to anyone that wanted it for the past 20+ years or so. Now, those grads are struggling to find a good job and in over their heads with debt. Perhaps that's why they're more inclined to vote for a democrat? Perhaps they're more inclined to vote democrat because of a liberal influence in academia? Or maybe liberals in general just choose college while those with a conservative mindset pursue other avenues?

The fact remains however, that Trump voters still have a higher income than Clinton voters regardless - about 12k more per year.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

riggerrob

Sorry SkyDekker,
But you are confusing American terminology with the Queen's English (as spoken in Canada).
Americans generally refer to any post-secondary education as "college."

OTOH Canadians refer to "college" as two-year programs at community colleges or technical colleges. We refer to three or four year degrees from universities as "Bachelors' Degrees."

I am well aware of the differences. and am certainly not confusing the two.

The post Bill made makes specific reference to 4 year college degrees.

The link Rush posted has a link to the source article which only references college degrees. Considering that source is American leads me to believe it includes all college degrees, including the 2 year college degrees specifically excluded in Bill's post.

Hence, what Rush posted doesn't refute what Bill posted as he thought.