Trumps 36% approval rating

[jakee 1,489]

billvon

>Look how the liberals treated the George W Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney for
>their dignity, decorum, and protocol.

And how conservatives such as yourself treated Obama for his wisdom, compassion and forethought.

Not to mention if you ask damn near anyone in the world except for an American conservative whether Obama or Bush had more dignity...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wmw999 2,447]

More and more people seem to be down with "the end justifies the means," as long as they agree with the end.
And expect the right wing commentators to make hay with the name Flake, and to call him a RINO. It'd be even more awesome if he had some visible disability they could mock.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[wmw999 2,447]

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He may be a SOB but he's our SOB

Proverbs 16:25 says something to the effect that the way that seems right to man leads to death. When you go too far down the road of "whatever it takes," you lose perspective. Think about the warring married couple who bankrupt each other, or, worse, manipulate their children, in order to hurt the ex.

Consider each act in a couple of contexts, not just the "next step I see."

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[jakee 1,489]

wmw999

And expect the right wing commentators to make hay with the name Flake, and to call him a RINO.

I was wondering about that. There was a chart of Senators' voting ideology scores in an NYT article that puts Flake in a group of 5 on the furthest right (along with Cruz and Paul) with clear daylight between them and the main Republican block. So it's not as if he has any qualms about the supposed Trump agenda.

(Except that Trump claims to want to provide better universal care than the ACA, whereas Flake probably doesn't think poor people deserve any healthcare at all.)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

***And expect the right wing commentators to make hay with the name Flake, and to call him a RINO.

I was wondering about that. There was a chart of Senators' voting ideology scores in an NYT article that puts Flake in a group of 5 on the furthest right (along with Cruz and Paul) with clear daylight between them and the main Republican block.

This conservative is already slamming Flake as a result of his comments by claiming his voting record proves he is not sufficiently Republican.

Wendy was correct. It didn't take long.

"His Conservative Review Liberty score is an abysmal 53%, also known as an 'F'"

source: https://twitter.com/BrentBozell/status/892477946082062336/photo/1

ETA: Here is a slightly broader but still thumbnailed review by the conservative leaning Arizona Republic newspaper -

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/08/02/jeff-flake-book-reelection-campaign/527657001/

[billvon 2,991]

New approval rating from Quinnipac - 33%! Almost a third of the country approves of how Trump is doing his job, and that's way higher than Obama's scores ever were!*

(* - alternative fact)

[RonD1120 62]

billvon

>Look how the liberals treated the George W Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney for
>their dignity, decorum, and protocol.

And how conservatives such as yourself treated Obama for his wisdom, compassion, and forethought.

Sorry, we did not observe those behaviors. What we observed were oppressive socialism exemplified by lies, unlawful and unnecessary deaths and illegal payments to terrorist nations to name just a few. Plus, we knew that Hillary would double down on the aforementioned.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,027]

jakee

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The way we see it is that we are in a culture war and President Trump is our war time leader.

That's exactly the point. You bitch and moan and whine and cry about how divided the country is and why isn't the other side trying to unite with you... when your own view of the other side is that they are the enemy in a war. That everything Trump is, does or says is excusable because he's fighting your war against the people you blame for spreading disunity.

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Look how the liberals treated the George W Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney for their dignity, decorum, and protocol.

Look how Trump treated McCain. Oh wait, I forgot - it only matters that the other side was bitchy towards him. It doesn't matter that Trump made worse comments than anyone else, because he's your bitch.

Not just McCain. In essence he called the entire GOP congressional delegation "fools" last week, and he insulted Sessions and a federal judge.

His statement as he signed the sanctions bill today boils down to (paraphrasing):

Congress doesn't know what it's doing! They wouldn't even listen to me and pass a health care bill! And I made a bunch of phone calls! They shouldn't get to have a veto over me on anything! Especially not when I am a great businessman of a "truly great company worth many billions of dollars!"

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[jakee 1,489]

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Sorry, we did not observe those behaviors. What we observed were oppressive socialism exemplified by lies, unlawful and unnecessary deaths and illegal payments to terrorist nations to name just a few. Plus, we knew that Hillary would double down on the aforementioned.

You whine that Bush 2 wasn't treated well enough for his dignity and decorum (damn ) but say that it's ok to dengrate Obama because he caused some unnecessary deaths? You do see what everyone else sees in those statements, right?

It's a shame you and Rush can't even try to compete in the arena of ideas, instead making do with hypocrisy and misdirection.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 2,991]

>Sorry, we did not observe those behaviors.

Wisdom- designed a healthcare program robust enough that it survived even a republican president, congress and a conservative supreme court for six months, despite their best attempts to destroy it

Compassion - got healthcare for 20 million people who would otherwise be unable to get it

Forethought - planned initiatives in energy and pollution reduction that would help the next generation, not just himself and his party

All of those, of course, are probably pretty alien concepts to modern conservatives (or more accurately Trump supporters.)

>lies, unlawful and unnecessary deaths and illegal payments to terrorist nations to name
>just a few.

Yet you support Trump, the most dishonest president in recent history, a president who praises Putin, Jong Un, Duterte and Ergodan. A president who would pull healthcare from millions of people, killing thousands of them.

I can only imagine the fantasies you construct in your mind to justify that.

[kallend 2,027]

RonD1120

***>Look how the liberals treated the George W Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney for
>their dignity, decorum, and protocol.

And how conservatives such as yourself treated Obama for his wisdom, compassion, and forethought.

Sorry, we did not observe those behaviors. What we observed were oppressive socialism exemplified by lies, unlawful and unnecessary deaths and illegal payments to terrorist nations to name just a few. Plus, we knew that Hillary would double down on the aforementioned.

Let's see:

Reagan: Iran-Contra illegal payments to terrorists, massive growth of the federal government.

GWB: Unfunded Medicare Part D, unfunded war started under false pretenses leading to over 4,000 US deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths.

Don't you ever get tired of hypocrisy?

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[normiss 800]

You were the perfect fake news voter the Russians targeted.

You really should research your fake claims, but you won't.

[yoink 321]

Remeber, Ron has actively said that he doesn't believe facts if they conflict with his beliefs.

Trying to have a logical debate with someone like that is utterly pointless.

[RonD1120 62]

yoink

Remeber, Ron has actively said that he doesn't believe facts if they conflict with his beliefs.

Trying to have a logical debate with someone like that is utterly pointless.

Because we won.

We could not tolerate, even comprehend, Hillary as POTUS.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[yoink 321]

RonD1120

***Remeber, Ron has actively said that he doesn't believe facts if they conflict with his beliefs.

Trying to have a logical debate with someone like that is utterly pointless.

Because we won.

We could not tolerate, even comprehend, Hillary as POTUS.

No.

That Trump won has nothing to do with the fact that you deliberately ignore provable facts if you don't like them. The two events are not causally related.

[RonD1120 62]

And the counter point:

http://edwardklein.com/stacking-up-trump-against-his-white-house-predecessors/

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 800]

From a gossip columnist?!?!?

Known for MANY factual errors in his writings.

[RonD1120 62]

yoink

******Remeber, Ron has actively said that he doesn't believe facts if they conflict with his beliefs.

Trying to have a logical debate with someone like that is utterly pointless.

Because we won.

We could not tolerate, even comprehend, Hillary as POTUS.

No.

That Trump won has nothing to do with the fact that you deliberately ignore provable facts if you don't like them. The two events are not causally related.

You are correct, no relation at all. Why? Because we won.

I encourage you to enjoy your life as best as you can. Then in 2020 evaluate the results of President Trump's policies and management.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

And the rest of the story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Klein

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Phil1111 1,149]

RonD1120

*********Remeber, Ron has actively said that he doesn't believe facts if they conflict with his beliefs.

Trying to have a logical debate with someone like that is utterly pointless.

Because we won.

We could not tolerate, even comprehend, Hillary as POTUS.

No.

That Trump won has nothing to do with the fact that you deliberately ignore provable facts if you don't like them. The two events are not causally related.

You are correct, no relation at all. Why? Because we won.

I encourage you to enjoy your life as best as you can. Then in 2020 evaluate the results of President Trump's policies and management.

I would suggest that the republican party won. Had trump run as an independent the vote split on the right would have put HRC in office.

Trump got a SC justice appointed but the honeymoon appears over. What else is he likely to accomplish?

IMO Ron has religious beliefs that he sets aside when political ideology takes priority. I got new respect for the Mormon community when its compassionate religious principals shunned trump in the runup to trump's election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/europe/vatican-us-catholic-conservatives.html

A Vatican Shot Across the Bow for Hard-Line U.S. Catholics

VATICAN CITY — Two close associates of Pope Francis have accused American Catholic ultraconservatives of making an alliance of “hate” with evangelical Christians to back President Trump, further alienating a group already out of the Vatican’s good graces.

The authors, writing in a Vatican-vetted journal, singled out Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump’s chief strategist, as a “supporter of an apocalyptic geopolitics” that has stymied action against climate change and exploited fears of migrants and Muslims with calls for “walls and purifying deportations.”

The article warns that conservative American Catholics have strayed dangerously into the deepening political polarization in the United States. The writers even declare that the worldview of American evangelical and hard-line Catholics, which is based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, is “not too far apart’’ from jihadists.

[kallend 2,027]

billvon

New approval rating from Quinnipac - 33%! Almost a third of the country approves of how Trump is doing his job, and that's way higher than Obama's scores ever were!*

(* - alternative fact)

That's more the the one fifth that approves of the GOP led Congress.

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[normiss 800]

The parts of your link you choose to ignore:

"tabloid writer and gossip columnist"

"He has been divorced twice."

"Klein received extensive criticism for his 2005 biography of Hillary Clinton, The Truth About Hillary. Politico criticized the book for "serious factual errors, truncated and distorted quotes and overall themes [that] don't gibe with any other serious accounts of Clinton's life"

"Thirty pages into it, I wanted to take a shower. Sixty pages into it, I wanted to be decontaminated. And 200 pages into it, I wanted someone to drive stakes through my eyes so I wouldn't have to suffer through another word."

"In the National Review, conservative columnist James Geraghty wrote, “Folks, there are plenty of arguments against Hillary Clinton, her policies, her views, her proposals, and her philosophies. This stuff ain’t it. Nobody on the right, left, or center ought to stoop to this level."

"Why on earth would you put such a terrible story in your book...that looks to be flimsily sourced at that?," regarding his suggestion that Chelsea Clinton was conceived in an act of marital rape. Facing criticism from both the left and right for making the claim, Klein eventually backed away from the insinuation in an interview with radio host Jim Bohannon on June 23, 2005"

"The British newspaper The Guardian pointed out a number of verifiable factual errors in Klein's 2014 book Blood Feud"

"Some of the quotes strike me as odd, in the sense that I don't know people who speak this way," Limbaugh said of Klein's work, describing the sources as "grade school chatter."


Enjoy your kool-aide.

[kallend 2,027]

RonD1120

And the counter point:

http://edwardklein.com/stacking-up-trump-against-his-white-house-predecessors/

Rather more accurate:

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/07/28/as-trump-debases-the-presidency-the-religious-right-looks-away/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na&utm_term=.27bbf59cad79

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